Miller is a solid and versatile player, but I would have never expected a 1st, less yet bundled with a 3rd and a prospect. How good is this Marek kid?

They're an Elias injury from bottom 5.
- golfingsince

He missed 20 games last season and they weren't a bottom 5 team.

Team makes trades to get better and some think the team will now be back to a bottom 5 team.

Van isn't Ottawa. Van has 2 good goaltenders and top 4 D not one single young D and no goaltending
- manvanfan

Who knows man, that's 2 years from now. poop changes fast, Ottawa made the ECF when they made those deals, they were far from a laughing stock at that time.

There's too many variables to say for sure that this will be a playoff team in 2 years. Injuries, development, team chemistry, coaching, goaltending, etc will all play a factor.

It doesn't have to be a top 5 or even top 10 pick for this to be an overpay.
Even a top 15 pick + 3rd round pick for J.T. Miller from a desperate Tampa team is an overpay.

Look at what Subban was just dealt for and he's a top pairing dman.

Sometimes you have to pay a price to get better. JT Miller is on a good mid level contract for the next 5 years? You won't see the 2020 or 2021 first round pick for probably 5 years.
- manvanfan

This wasn't one of those times. PK Subban just went for arguably less.

Miller is a solid and versatile player, but I would have never expected a 1st, less yet bundled with a 3rd and a prospect. How good is this Marek kid?
- GalacticStone

he's a throw-in, AHL goalie.

@Bob McKenzie
BTW, if the conditional VAN first-rounder to TB slides to 2021 (because the Canucks miss the playoffs in 2020), that 2021 first-rounder is not lottery protected.

Im Calling it now ...Tampa will win the lotto with the canucks 2021 pick with the canucks missing the playoffs by one point and all of HockeyBuzz will shutdown

This wasn't one of those times. PK Subban just went for arguably less.
- golfingsince

But the Devils are taking all of the salary too....might have factored into it

He missed 20 games last season and they weren't a bottom 5 team.
- manvanfan

They were 5 points up on it and their goalie played lights out.

he's a throw-in, AHL goalie.
- Nucker101

Well poop, I'll take throw-ins with a 1st pick.

I have to agree with most of the posters here. Tampa appears to have committed larceny here.

Miller is solid, but I'm not sure he's worth a package that includes a 1st.

I was okay with the 10 pick but Miller a 13 goal player for a first is just plain idiotic. What a crap group of management. Not one of them is going to say hey that’s too much? Fak me.

@Bob McKenzie
BTW, if the conditional VAN first-rounder to TB slides to 2021 (because the Canucks miss the playoffs in 2020), that 2021 first-rounder is not lottery protected.
- Pacificgem

the new lotto odds make this pretty dumb as well, at least Benning should have pushed for the pick turning into a 2nd + 3rd in case it's a top 10 pick.

Who knows man, that's 2 years from now. poop changes fast, Ottawa made the ECF when they made those deals, they were far from a laughing stock at that time.

There's too many variables to say for sure that this will be a playoff team in 2 years. Injuries, development, team chemistry, coaching, goaltending, etc will all play a factor.

It doesn't have to be a top 5 or even top 10 pick for this to be an overpay.
Even a top 15 pick + 3rd round pick for J.T. Miller from a desperate Tampa team is an overpay.

Look at what Subban was just dealt for and he's a top pairing dman.
- Nucker101

Subban is 30 not 26 and at 9 million instead of 5.25.

At least we still have all our sixth round picks

Well poop, I'll take throw-ins with a 1st pick.

I have to agree with most of the posters here. Tampa appears to have committed larceny here.

Miller is solid, but I'm not sure he's worth a package that includes a 1st.
- GalacticStone

It's the situation that makes it more frustrating.

We just saw what Subban got traded for and how the Leafs had to bend over just to dump Marleau.

Tampa was in a similar desperate spot, yet Jim paid full value or arguably even more than full value.

Subban is 30 not 26 and at 9 million instead of 5.25.
- manvanfan

He's also a top pairing dman, not a 2nd line winger. And that 5.25M was killing Tampa's cap.

Jim should be the shark in this scenario, not the bait worm.

@Joey Kenward 5m
Looks like #Canucks might be making another trade soon...

It's the situation that makes it more frustrating.

We just saw what Subban got traded for and how the Leafs had to bend over just to dump Marleau.

Tampa was in a similar desperate spot, yet Jim paid full value or arguably even more than full value.
- Nucker101

You have to think JB's phone is now ringing off the hook.

Jim’s gotta have another trade lined up where he gets a first back. Maybe Vegas?

@Joey Kenward 5m
Looks like #Canucks might be making another trade soon...
- Pacificgem

Sutter for a 3rd.

Tb will never see the playoffs again because of this trade. Ditto.

@Joey Kenward 5m
Looks like #Canucks might be making another trade soon...
- Pacificgem

LOL


the sharks are circling

He's also a top pairing dman, not a 2nd line winger. And that 5.25M was killing Tampa's cap.

Jim should be the shark in this scenario, not the bait worm.
- Nucker101

Ryan O'Reilly how many people freaked out about the price in January and now it's a steal of a trade.

It's the situation that makes it more frustrating.

We just saw what Subban got traded for and how the Leafs had to bend over just to dump Marleau.

Tampa was in a similar desperate spot, yet Jim paid full value or arguably even more than full value.
- Nucker101

Briesbois must have learned the Jedi Mind Trick from Yzerman.

Miller is frustrating. Looks great for 5 or 6 games and then turns into a ghost for the next dozen.

The 3rd and a prospect would have been about right. Benning must be in a generous mood.

Jim’s gotta have another trade lined up where he gets a first back. Maybe Vegas?
- Supirium99

That would be nice and make this easier to swallow, but I'll believe it when I see it.