Was just thinking that It seems Stan is always on the outside looking in....it just seems like the rest of the league will not deal with him...
- Beaks99

I think it's entirely possible that Bowman has a better ability to work with certain GMs. I'd guess that's inherent in any GM. The way GMs value talent varies so Stan probably has a hard time trading with GMs who "think like he does", if you can understand what that means.

Yea, part of me thinks "damn dude, trade with someone else", but it may be easier said than done.

Of course, he has shown the ability to trade with carolina, but I don't think he's made a good trade with them as of yet.

Was just thinking that It seems Stan is always on the outside looking in....it just seems like the rest of the league will not deal with him...
- Beaks99

Agreed or he's just overthinking things dragging his feet and whatever deals that were potentially in place fell apart because that trading partner went elsewhere to make a deal.

Agreed or he's just overthinking things dragging his feet and whatever deals that were potentially in place fell apart because that trading partner went elsewhere to make a deal.
- BGKarras

I get on Stan for a lot of things, but I honestly don't believe he is "eating popcorn" while the rest of the GMs are working so damn hard. I absolutely believe Stan works hard and is constantly working to make the Hawks better. I trust him on that.

Agreed or he's just overthinking things dragging his feet and whatever deals that were potentially in place fell apart because that trading partner went elsewhere to make a deal.
- BGKarras

It’s hard to say, really. I was disappointed when the Maatta trade first broke because I had expectations that the Hawks were looking to pick up a legitimate top 4 defenseman, rather than a “maybe, sort of” top 4 guy. But, since there were numerous reports about Stan inquiring with Carolina and other teams, perhaps the asking price was too high and he settled for the deal with Pittsburgh. I don’t fault the trade in terms of balance - it’s good value.

I’m pretty certain Stan is working the phones and trying to make a good deal - but that depends on a willing partner.

I get on Stan for a lot of things, but I honestly don't believe he is "eating popcorn" while the rest of the GMs are working so damn hard. I absolutely believe Stan works hard and is constantly working to make the Hawks better. I trust him on that.
- kwolf68

Put a bolo out also for tyler and some news would be nice.

I get on Stan for a lot of things, but I honestly don't believe he is "eating popcorn" while the rest of the GMs are working so damn hard. I absolutely believe Stan works hard and is constantly working to make the Hawks better. I trust him on that.
- kwolf68

Hey wolf hope everything is okay with you bud. I do believe that Stan does work hard and I'm not saying he doesn't. Back when we were in Cap Hell it didn't take long for other GM's to take advantage of our situation. I was hoping he would have been able to have done something already. I could be wrong and something might happen tomorrow or whenever. Its just way too quiet with our Hawks

Hey wolf hope everything is okay with you bud. I do believe that Stan does work hard and I'm not saying he doesn't. Back when we were in Cap Hell it didn't take long for other GM's to take advantage of our situation. I was hoping he would have been able to have done something already. I could be wrong and something might happen tomorrow or whenever. Its just way too quiet with our Hawks
- BGKarras

It’s only quiet for us on the outside looking in - every front office just completed the draft and free agency is on the verge of starting - and some are even trying to become cap compliant.

All those guys are in full Overlord/D-day mode.

Hey wolf hope everything is okay with you bud. I do believe that Stan does work hard and I'm not saying he doesn't. Back when we were in Cap Hell it didn't take long for other GM's to take advantage of our situation. I was hoping he would have been able to have done something already. I could be wrong and something might happen tomorrow or whenever. Its just way too quiet with our Hawks
- BGKarras

All is good BG. Good to chat with you. Yea, good point. I am with you that I would love us to jam it in someone the way teams jammed it in us. Lets see how things play out. I am still holding out hope he gets something done with Vegas and I STILL want another legit top 4. If we can get another Top 4 I like our team.

Only problem is I am in the minority (so it seems) in that I do not want to trade Saad.

Hey wolf hope everything is okay with you bud. I do believe that Stan does work hard and I'm not saying he doesn't. Back when we were in Cap Hell it didn't take long for other GM's to take advantage of our situation. I was hoping he would have been able to have done something already. I could be wrong and something might happen tomorrow or whenever. Its just way too quiet with our Hawks
- BGKarras

Did he or did he not allude at one point that one of our core players may be traded? I think he stated that he would. Clarifications, please.

I only recently watched some video on Jack Hughes, mostly because he wasn’t on the radar for the Hawks at #3.

He’s a gifted player without a doubt. However... some of the video I saw of him whirling around in the offensive zone... it’s not going to take a big NHL defensemen, just one with some decent quickness... and Hughes is going to get lit up. He’ll have to adjust some of his more “globetrotting” antics once he’s in the NHL because his frame will not take the punishment.
- Chief4Feathers

Ive got nothing against the kid, he's a nice little player at this stage. But with a very long way to match Kane's resume who is truly a HOF player.

So when Hughes matches what Kane, Crosby, Doughty and a few others have succeeded in doing over a career I will call him a generational talent. For all we know, Vlasic may be the only guy taken in this years draft who winds up being a HOFer.

It’s hard to say, really. I was disappointed when the Maatta trade first broke because I had expectations that the Hawks were looking to pick up a legitimate top 4 defenseman, rather than a “maybe, sort of” top 4 guy. But, since there were numerous reports about Stan inquiring with Carolina and other teams, perhaps the asking price was too high and he settled for the deal with Pittsburgh. I don’t fault the trade in terms of balance - it’s good value.

I’m pretty certain Stan is working the phones and trying to make a good deal - but that depends on a willing partner.
- Chief4Feathers

Time will tell chief. We can only hope for the best. Not a situation where he had a better deal to trade Sharp and didn't but settled on a lesser deal.

You managed to come up with one guy who is great and who happened to play on a team with a number of great players to form a great team capable of winning. Cups. When Jack Hughes, Caufield and Debrincat post similar results I will concede to your point.

And you might want tp check Weber's resume in Olympic and World Cup events.

The generational talent handle gets thrown around too easily these days. Probably has been less than a dozen pf them in the history of the NHL.
- RickJ

My pet peeve. Superstar used to be the title given to the best of the best until the media started calling 3 and 4 players a team superstars. So the new term "generational talent" was used in place of superstar. And of course now anyone who is very good is a generational talent.

To me generational talent is what it sounds like, best of his generation. Crosby isn't a generational talent because it can be argued that Ovie, Toews or Kane were at points in Crosby's career the better player. So that also means Ovecnkin, Toews or Kane are also not generational talents. They are all stars, perhaps now superstars but not the best of their generation.

Without going back earlier than the 1950s I'd say the only generational talents in the NHL were Gordie Howe, Maurice Richard, Bobby Orr, Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux. Lindros was close and may have been had he learned to play with his head up and a case can be made for Lidstrom.

It’s only quiet for us on the outside looking in - every front office just completed the draft and free agency is on the verge of starting - and some are even trying to become cap compliant.

All those guys are in full Overlord/D-day mode.
- Chief4Feathers

Good point Chief!

All is good BG. Good to chat with you. Yea, good point. I am with you that I would love us to jam it in someone the way teams jammed it in us. Lets see how things play out. I am still holding out hope he gets something done with Vegas and I STILL want another legit top 4. If we can get another Top 4 I like our team.

Only problem is I am in the minority (so it seems) in that I do not want to trade Saad.
- kwolf68

I do not want to trade Saad. I think he is a productive player.

All is good BG. Good to chat with you. Yea, good point. I am with you that I would love us to jam it in someone the way teams jammed it in us. Lets see how things play out. I am still holding out hope he gets something done with Vegas and I STILL want another legit top 4. If we can get another Top 4 I like our team.

Only problem is I am in the minority (so it seems) in that I do not want to trade Saad.
- kwolf68

I don’t think many would but if the return is great how can we say no.

I do not want to trade Saad. I think he is a productive player.
- frafra

Dude helped us with 2 Cups with his dominating powerful skating and work down low. He's also still a young player. Only way I trade him is for a LEGIT TOP pairing guy. Sorry, Justin Faulk ain't that. Slavin? Yea, I'd do that in a NY minute. But Carolina isn't moving Slaving, he's a superstar. Absolutely love that guy.

All is good BG. Good to chat with you. Yea, good point. I am with you that I would love us to jam it in someone the way teams jammed it in us. Lets see how things play out. I am still holding out hope he gets something done with Vegas and I STILL want another legit top 4. If we can get another Top 4 I like our team.

Only problem is I am in the minority (so it seems) in that I do not want to trade Saad.
- kwolf68

That is what I am hoping for. Hopefully it works out. Cheers buddy!

That is what I am hoping for. Hopefully it works out. Cheers buddy!
- BGKarras

Time will tell chief. We can only hope for the best. Not a situation where he had a better deal to trade Sharp and didn't but settled on a lesser deal.
- BGKarras

That has never been confirmed. That was pure speculation from the former blogger that became fact. Just saying.

My pet peeve. Superstar used to be the title given to the best of the best until the media started calling 3 and 4 players a team superstars. So the new term "generational talent" was used in place of superstar. And of course now anyone who is very good is a generational talent.

To me generational talent is what it sounds like, best of his generation. Crosby isn't a generational talent because it can be argued that Ovie, Toews or Kane were at points in Crosby's career the better player. So that also means Ovecnkin, Toews or Kane are also not generational talents. They are all stars, perhaps now superstars but not the best of their generation.

Without going back earlier than the 1950s I'd say the only generational talents in the NHL were Gordie Howe, Maurice Richard, Bobby Orr, Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux. Lindros was close and may have been had he learned to play with his head up and a case can be made for Lidstrom.
- paulr

So, according to your understanding of the terms, Denis Savard in his prime is designated a superstar, correct?

My pet peeve. Superstar used to be the title given to the best of the best until the media started calling 3 and 4 players a team superstars. So the new term "generational talent" was used in place of superstar. And of course now anyone who is very good is a generational talent.

To me generational talent is what it sounds like, best of his generation. Crosby isn't a generational talent because it can be argued that Ovie, Toews or Kane were at points in Crosby's career the better player. So that also means Ovecnkin, Toews or Kane are also not generational talents. They are all stars, perhaps now superstars but not the best of their generation.

Without going back earlier than the 1950s I'd say the only generational talents in the NHL were Gordie Howe, Maurice Richard, Bobby Orr, Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux. Lindros was close and may have been had he learned to play with his head up and a case can be made for Lidstrom.
- paulr

Gordie Howe wasn't generational.

The Sox can fire this Desfightatthebatrack guy into the sun.

Did he or did he not allude at one point that one of our core players may be traded? I think he stated that he would. Clarifications, please.
- gabriel

I'm not sure if Stan said that. But it is always a possibility.

So, according to your understanding of the terms, Denis Savard in his prime is designated a superstar, correct?
- gabriel

Denis Savard wasn't the best of his generation. He had the misfortune of playing at the same time as Wayne Gretzky. He along with a few others were superstars not that generational is the new title.

Gordie Howe wasn't generational.
- Elbows15

No, he was half centurial.