Jordan was also largely responsible for Rodman's good behavior though too. Rodman respected Jordan and listened to him about not getting out of line
- Stan_Bowman

Kim Jong Un too

No poop. Every GM that has to make a move is in their office staring at the wall like a deer in headlights.
- Lido_Shuffle

No it’s a travel day they’re all up in the air!

Lot of recency bias with this take imo - one team in however many years builds their core through trading so it's now the way to supposedly do it? Not really a sound argument.

And was it that much built through trade? It's mainly their center depth that was created via trade (ROR, Bozak, Schenn) while their wings were home grown or FA pick-up, and their defense top 4 were 3 drafted players (Pietrangelo, Parayko, Edmundson) and one trade (Bouwmesser) but the trade was like 7 years ago and he signed 2 more times with them since then. Most teams bottom 6 are a mix of drafted/developed and trade pick ups as well so not much difference there.
- L_B_R

It is recency bias but you know what really changed this trend Bob is trying to highlight?

The f-ing Edmonton oilers being the idiots they are signing all their high draft picks to large big money long term deals (at the time) coming out of their ELCs. Now look where we are and it's the norm to lock in all your top talent to mega deals after year 3. So Bob is right in his narrative but it's not because the cap system evolved it that way. Bad GM contract management established the market this way that top drafted talent will only be able to be retained for so long in the cap world now

Bridge deals are becoming extinct and harder to get players and their agents to agree to now. But yeah it all started with Edmonton handing out $6x6 like candy

Some fake rumors at least,
- HawkintheDbut apparently Ty's above all that...pfft.

Ha. I can make up some wild ones if you want?

Honestly though, sounds like a lot of back and forth right now.

A lot of GMs and execs have been travelling today to Vancouver so be patient. I would be shocked if there isn't more to come shortly.

#Canucks GM Jim Benning: 'I've kept all of our options open' with 10th overall pick https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vi...10th-overall-pick~1711550

#Canucks GM Jim Benning: 'I've kept all of our options open' with 10th overall pick https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vi...10th-overall-pick~1711550
- walleyeb1

Gus and Forsling for the 10th. Get 'er done Stanblow!

Taking a second to check in and derail whatever current conversation is going on with you hawk buzzards (ah, “buzz -ers”)
Some of my scouty draft buddies where just killing time throwing around a few topics, about “draft tendencies”, the big topic being:
After the St. Louis Blues win, will NHL teams again start to return to drafting big developmental defenders who basically are big and edgy, but can grow into their 17 year old bodies and gain all around game to compliment those traits?

I am trying to find believe and guess but Kirby Dach’s name is being mentioned by a lot more folks here than you all have heard in you hockey outlets…so for fun, I posted him up, for now, and plan tomorrow to look my board at the top.
Also everybody I know agrees that Kenny Holland will let Puljujarvi go back to Europe and retain his rights over trading him.

At this point I have almost 500 players in the database and I simply cannot be influenced by the outsiders —— if the players my feeble mid think go in the middle and late in the draft are incorrect, I am pretty sure I have the players “the rest of the drafting world holds so highly who are NOT viewed in my top seven rounds” in there TO display. I know I have said it since October, it is REALLY EXCELLENT DRAFT CLASS, and even those 4th rounders get you a chance at players!

I am done moving the mid rounders, so if you like to see who I like for the hawks here is the link:
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/chicago/75/

Click on a name to read about them!

Enjoy!

I know this is a joke but Krebs might be the sleeper forward of the top 10/15 of the draft.
- L_B_R

Sleeper?

despite the injury I feel like lifting him back up - he maybe off the board before #11!

#Canucks GM Jim Benning: 'I've kept all of our options open' with 10th overall pick https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vi...10th-overall-pick~1711550
- walleyeb1

The more i think about the top tated prospects, the more i wish that Bowman actually moves down to #5 and we still able to take Cozens.. I would love to snag Dach too. Podzlinski and Dach both probably gone by #10 . Boldy too.

It is probably an outright imposibility to draft both Cozens and Byram too.

So a second #1 around say #9
Whom would be your second first round pick?

I expected a lot more trades by now.
- gifman

They are waiting for the final cap number.

I didn't hear the podcast, but it seems that MacKenzie could have been referring to the apparent (APPARENT) demise of the bridge contract.

It seems that for players who prove themselves during their first two years in the league, they jump straight from ELCs to term and dollars - so that by the time you've built your team through the draft and are ready to compete for a Cup, you're up against the cap and need to start subtracting rather than adding.

We're looking at what - $7/$8/$9 million for AdB? $4/$5/$6 for Strome? (I know - Strome was traded for - but he came in on his ELC, I think).

Hard to take the time to build through the draft when your better three-year vets are going to be making $6+ per.
- StLBravesFan

The supposed demise of the bridge contract is overblown. Elite/high end players coming off their ELCs have been getting deals in the $6x6 range (give or take a$1x1). Even Toews/Kane were on a deal like that at $6.3m x 5 years. Seriously, I could do the lists for this going back to 2006 at least - it's been common for over a decade. Most teams only have 1-2 players of this calibre in close range to each other so it's not usually as much a concern unless you've also got elite/successful players on their 3rd/4th/5th contracts like LA/CHI/PIT/etc.

And the thing about these longer 2nd contracts is that they haven't risen with the cap as much as UFA contracts have. Larkin got $6.1m last season with similar production to Couture or Duchene who both got $6mx 5 back in 2013. Some of the more prolific player will be on the higher end (Gaudreau, Tarasenko) but it's still within a similar range as it's been for about 15 years (at least). Kane/Toews were still in that range in 2008. It's been relatively flat with a few higher outliers (Stamkos, Tarasenko, Draisaitl) but excluding the supposedly generational guys (McDavid, Matthews, Eichel).

Players who still deserve bridge deals - those who only have maybe one year of production or consistency concerns - are still getting bridge deals. Burakovsky, Hertl, Mantha, Athanasiou, Nichushkin, Tierney, Danault, Vesey, Sheary, Spooner, Huberdeau, Vatrano, etc - they were good players who had potential to be top 6 but hadn't hit above consistently above the 35-45 range in points yet. And those are just some guys who signed bridge deals in the last 2 years btw - there are a ton more.

From the Athletic:
Long shots: Philip Broberg, Mikko Kokkonen, Victor Söderström, Thomas Harley, Mortiz Seider. More likely second-pairing defencemen but with room for slightly more."
- EnzoD

The Long shots are thinking Wheeler is correct on any specifics in regard to the players

I expected a lot more trades by now.
- gifman

Hard to do when you don't know the final cap for next season.

The player has to sign the offer sheet and be willing to play for the amount being offered - before the offer sheet can be presented to the team. What player is going to agree to play for $1.2M?
- EbonyRaptor

I was just stated that at 1.2 million Chicago does not have give up any draft pick any higher than 1.2 then draft picks are required. 1 year contract at 1.2 million I'll admit is not enticing but if he wants to play might take doubt it. With the cap supposedly not going up as much some rfa's might not get as much as they think.

Deciding to get a little sidetracked for a moment here:

Any Bulls fans in here? Expectations for tonight?

I think tonight is going to be just as unpredictable as tomorrow night, which makes it an exciting weekend

Michael Scott.

Bon Scott.
- I Am The Breadman[/quote

like bon scott over bryan Johnson imo

Taking a second to check in and derail whatever current conversation is going on with you hawk buzzards (ah, “buzz -ers”)
Some of my scouty draft buddies where just killing time throwing around a few topics, about “draft tendencies”, the big topic being:
After the St. Louis Blues win, will NHL teams again start to return to drafting big developmental defenders who basically are big and edgy, but can grow into their 17 year old bodies and gain all around game to compliment those traits?

I am trying to find believe and guess but Kirby Dach’s name is being mentioned by a lot more folks here than you all have heard in you hockey outlets…so for fun, I posted him up, for now, and plan tomorrow to look my board at the top.
Also everybody I know agrees that Kenny Holland will let Puljujarvi go back to Europe and retain his rights over trading him.

At this point I have almost 500 players in the database and I simply cannot be influenced by the outsiders —— if the players my feeble mid think go in the middle and late in the draft are incorrect, I am pretty sure I have the players “the rest of the drafting world holds so highly who are NOT viewed in my top seven rounds” in there TO display. I know I have said it since October, it is REALLY EXCELLENT DRAFT CLASS, and even those 4th rounders get you a chance at players!

I am done moving the mid rounders, so if you like to see who I like for the hawks here is the link:
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/chicago/75/

Click on a name to read about them!

Enjoy!
- wiz1901

Spot on about the team needs. You picked the right guy too! Dach

Long-time lurker but (likely) my 1st post.
- Snakebit12

Hey Snakebit, just wanted to say welcome to the boards as a poster and hope you post more!

Seen a few other new faces posting more the past few blogs which is great for discussion.

I haven't been posting much the past few blogs. Very busy at work but looking forward to the draft, any trades, and free agency period. Also excited for prospects camp next month!

Deciding to get a little sidetracked for a moment here:

Any Bulls fans in here? Expectations for tonight?

I think tonight is going to be just as unpredictable as tomorrow night, which makes it an exciting weekend
- TommyHawk

Plenty - all LOW

Ha. I can make up some wild ones if you want?

Honestly though, sounds like a lot of back and forth right now.

A lot of GMs and execs have been travelling today to Vancouver so be patient. I would be shocked if there isn't more to come shortly.
- Tyler Cameron

To be honest I would have expected some juicy rumors too. But alas.

Taking a second to check in and derail whatever current conversation is going on with you hawk buzzards (ah, “buzz -ers”)
Some of my scouty draft buddies where just killing time throwing around a few topics, about “draft tendencies”, the big topic being:
After the St. Louis Blues win, will NHL teams again start to return to drafting big developmental defenders who basically are big and edgy, but can grow into their 17 year old bodies and gain all around game to compliment those traits?

I am trying to find believe and guess but Kirby Dach’s name is being mentioned by a lot more folks here than you all have heard in you hockey outlets…so for fun, I posted him up, for now, and plan tomorrow to look my board at the top.
Also everybody I know agrees that Kenny Holland will let Puljujarvi go back to Europe and retain his rights over trading him.

At this point I have almost 500 players in the database and I simply cannot be influenced by the outsiders —— if the players my feeble mid think go in the middle and late in the draft are incorrect, I am pretty sure I have the players “the rest of the drafting world holds so highly who are NOT viewed in my top seven rounds” in there TO display. I know I have said it since October, it is REALLY EXCELLENT DRAFT CLASS, and even those 4th rounders get you a chance at players!

I am done moving the mid rounders, so if you like to see who I like for the hawks here is the link:
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/chicago/75/

Click on a name to read about them!

Enjoy!
- wiz1901

Thanks Wiz and enjoy!

Deciding to get a little sidetracked for a moment here:

Any Bulls fans in here? Expectations for tonight?

I think tonight is going to be just as unpredictable as tomorrow night, which makes it an exciting weekend
- TommyHawk

Are they even relevant? I mean it’s a 4 team league now. Who ever stockpiles all the top talent wins.

It is recency bias but you know what really changed this trend Bob is trying to highlight?

The f-ing Edmonton oilers being the idiots they are signing all their high draft picks to large big money long term deals (at the time) coming out of their ELCs. Now look where we are and it's the norm to lock in all your top talent to mega deals after year 3. So Bob is right in his narrative but it's not because the cap system evolved it that way. Bad GM contract management established the market this way that top drafted talent will only be able to be retained for so long in the cap world now

Bridge deals are becoming extinct and harder to get players and their agents to agree to now. But yeah it all started with Edmonton handing out $6x6 like candy
- Stan_Bowman

The $6mx6y deal has been around a lot longer than Edmonton's span of getting top end picks, though, and those guys all feel into the production/games played category for those comps. They just happened to have more highly offensive players together in a really short period than most teams so it exacerbated the situation for them. Most teams only have 1-2 players that require these types of deals in close range to each other timing wise.

You really should be blaming guys like Kovalchuk and Nash who seems to have started the trend in 2005.

But here are a list of players who have been getting those types of deals for a while: Kovalchuk (2005), Nash (2005), Bergeron (2006), Vanek (2007) Richards (2007), Getzlaf (2007), Perry (2008), Kopitar (2008), Carter (2008), Stastny (2008), Toews (2009), Kane (2009), Kessel (2009), Backstrom (2010), Ryan (2010), Tavares (2011), Seguin (2012), Skinner (2012), Landeskog (2013), Couture (2013), Duchene (2013), Benn (2013), MacKinnon (2016), Monahan (2016), Scheifele (2016), etc etc.

Edmontons' big 3 that got this type of contract were Hall (2012), Eberle (2012), and RBH (2013) so it was a trend well before they came along.

To be honest I would have expected some juicy rumors too. But alas.
- gifman

Who was it a couple years ago (maybe a GM) was in the air when the weber/subban trade, the larsson/hall trade, and stamkos re-signing all happened and then he landed and got the explosion of news and texts and thought it was a prank?

The more i think about the top tated prospects, the more i wish that Bowman actually moves downnto #5 and we still able to take Cozens.. I would love to snag Dach too. Podzlinski and Dach both probably gone by #10 . Boldy too.

It is probably an outright imposibility to draft both Cozens and Byram too.

So.a second #1 around say #9
Whom would be yoir second first round pick?
- jhawk59

We have nothing to trade to get the #9. Gus isn’t going to get it done. Gus, this year’s 2nd and next year’s second but probably more like Gus, next year’s 1st and maybe even more.