Did you not just say Brayden Coburn was signed this morning? From my understanding, for the last 12 months, Coburn has been a pending free agent. So if I didn’t read it or wasn’t told until now, why would I look up Coburn’s contract status at any point today?

I’m the bumhole but you’re the one who started poop with today by calling me disconnected and I hadn’t said anything to you to warrant that comment.

You’re an idiot
- SuperSchennBros

You are a clueless female genitalia who continually makes a fool of himself.

And no one here believes you really have a job.

Good use of ipso facto.
- mickel25

I have read multiple times that people feel he isn't worth what we traded, and if he were thought of as better, then that wouldn't be the issue. This is just semantics again. They didnt say he was bad, just the trade was bad, ipso facto, Braun's bad. People don't complain about what a team gives away unless they feel the player is not good. If they felt the player was good, why would they complain?
- sjk540

I don't think that's true. I think Niskanen improves this team. I think it's stupid we retained salary but that doesn't mean the Flyers didn't get better with the trade.

You are a clueless female genitalia who continually makes a fool of himself.

And no one here believes you really have a job.
- Feanor

A fool out of myself how? On an Anonymous online message board where nobody important will ever see my posts?

You’re an even bigger idiot then I thought

Good use of ipso facto.
- mickel25

This isn't correct is it?

Lets just say for hyperbole's sake that the Flyers traded (4) first round picks for someone like Drew Doughty.

You now have a situation where the trade is bad because the Flyers have over paid but the player is still good, because he's a good player.

Thus, bad trade and good player =/= ipso facto bad player.

What are the reasons then a person would complain about a trade with a player they thought was good?

The package that was traded for him?
The contract remaining?

The package was a 2nd and a 3rd, hardly earth shattering
His contract has one year left and is sub 4.

So why do i see 50% of the posters complain about the trade? Because they view Braun as a sub par player, regardless if they didn't say those words verbatim.
- sjk540

His age, how much they gave up for him. An older player taking time away from a younger player. His cap hit.

Again, you're making it up that they see Braun as a sub par player. Your're wrong.

So from these comments today, it's clear that trading for Braun has ruined this season and all subsequent seasons. Got it

So from these comments today, it's clear that trading for Braun has ruined this season and all subsequent seasons. Got it
- bulet13

At least its fun!

I don't think that's true. I think Niskanen improves this team. I think it's stupid we retained salary but that doesn't mean the Flyers didn't get better with the trade.
- FlyerFan16

Maybe not 100% true (and of course there's no gray area with MJL), you're right, and every situation is different. But there are still plenty of people out there that believe Niskanen is not a good player and that Gudas was way better. Retaining salary was just salt on the wound (to those people).

I have read multiple times that people feel he isn't worth what we traded, and if he were thought of as better, then that wouldn't be the issue. This is just semantics again. They didnt say he was bad, just the trade was bad, ipso facto, Braun's bad. People don't complain about what a team gives away unless they feel the player is not good. If they felt the player was good, why would they complain?
- sjk540

I read this to mean “good enough” meaning some wanted a younger and more star type acquisition to the ones we got. It’s true, some have voiced that opinion. Not MJL though.

I originally asked for age 27-32. So this is in that range on short term deals considering they are on the top end of the age bracket.

Still waiting to see the finished product in training camp.

That's ridiculous. Saying they don't like the trade is not saying that Braun is not a good player. There are many factors to a trade to consider. You're making a correlation that is not there. The factors as to why some don't like the trade has been spelled out in the thread. Perhaps a review is in order. You won't find anyone stating that Braun is not a good player. At least not that I've seen.
- MJL

Agreed. I full on hate the trade but admit Braun is good player. If he is able to continue to be what he is he will help the Flyers. He is a third pairing guy though.

In my opinion, they gave up one too many draft picks.

So from these comments today, it's clear that trading for Braun has ruined this season and all subsequent seasons. Got it
- bulet13

This is what I meant by fans agreeing with what the Flyers do no matter what just 10am this morning. This is it.

How disconnected am I.

A fool out of myself how? On an Anonymous online message board where nobody important will ever see my posts?
- SuperSchennBros

Yes, you are considered a fool by the people on this message board which you claim not to care about but where you spend a large part of your day in between flipping burgers for minimum wage.

His age, how much they gave up for him. An older player taking time away from a younger player. His cap hit.

Again, you're making it up that they see Braun as a sub par player. Your're wrong.
- MJL

I mentioned how much they gave up for him.

Isn't EK an older player? No one wouldve cared if he blocked a guy. And even so, what young guys are he blocking? Hagg and Morin? Cause we were going so many places with them. Name another young dman that hasn't made the roster yet that Braun is blocking? Ill wait......

His cap hit i mentioned, its minimal and for one year.

Why dont you go poll everyone who doesn't like the trade and ask why? then we can really find out who's right instead of you basically speaking for the 50% of people i mentioned, because in reality, you have no clue why they all don't like the trade.

So from these comments today, it's clear that trading for Braun has ruined this season and all subsequent seasons. Got it
- bulet13

no exaggeration in this post.

This isn't correct is it?

Lets just say for hyperbole's sake that the Flyers traded (4) first round picks for someone like Drew Doughty.

You now have a situation where the trade is bad because the Flyers have over paid but the player is still good, because he's a good player.

Thus, bad trade and good player =/= ipso facto bad player.
- shekkie

I just liked that he worked in ipso facto. I am not sure it was used correctly. Ipso facto is confusing.

Stuffs are happening. Yay

Yes, you are considered a fool by the people on this message board which you claim not to care about but where you spend a large part of your day in between flipping burgers for minimum wage.
- Feanor

Desperation at it’s finest. You forgot living in his mother’s basement

Agreed. I full on hate the trade but admit Braun is good player. If he is able to continue to be what he is he will help the Flyers. He is a third pairing guy though.

In my opinion, they gave up one too many draft picks.
- mickel25

The Flyers improved their team by adding Braun. No doubt. He is better than say Haag. The question is how much did they improve their team and at what cost. The cost is more than just the draft picks.

This is a deal that a team that thinks it can contend makes. If the Flyers think that's them, they're foolish. This is not a deal that a developing team with young players to grow makes. Or should make is a better statement.

This is what I meant by fans agreeing with what the Flyers do no matter what just 10am this morning. This is it.

How disconnected am I.
- SuperSchennBros

I can't believe I'm responding to you asshat but when the trade broke I said I was confused by it and not a fan of it. I'm still not a fan of it. I just don't think it's the end of the world like so many of the posters in here.

But yes, please continue to tell me how I respond to trades. I would like to know how you know more about my thoughts than I do.

I read this to mean “good enough” meaning some wanted a younger and more star type acquisition to the ones we got. It’s true, some have voiced that opinion. Not MJL though.

I originally asked for age 27-32. So this is in that range on short term deals considering they are on the top end of the age bracket.

Still waiting to see the finished product in training camp.
- NC Flyers Fan

at the same time though, the player you receive is directly correlated to what you give up, thats obvious. If people don't like a trade, it boils down to people dont think the player is worth the value of what was given away. a 2nd and a third, albeit higher draft picks, could end up being nothing. its a gamble, a risk in and of itself. Braun checks numerous boxes the Flyers desperately need in their back end. I think people are blinded by the good things he brings, because they think he is a sub-par or bad player. Conversely, if people thought he was above average or good, there would be less disagreement in him being acquired.

The Flyers improved their team by adding Braun. No doubt. He is better than say Haag. The question is how much did they improve their team and at what cost. The cost is more than just the draft picks.

This is a deal that a team that thinks it can contend makes. If the Flyers think that's them, they're foolish. This is not a deal that a developing team with young players to grow makes. Or should make is a better statement.
- MJL

Yes all of that too.

How disconnected am I.
- SuperSchennBros

You're as disconnected as any other guy who berates people for not realizing the Flyers could sign a player as a free agent on July 1st, when that player is not actually a free agent.

No one else has done that, so that makes you the most disconnected person here.

I mentioned how much they gave up for him.

Isn't EK an older player? No one wouldve cared if he blocked a guy. And even so, what young guys are he blocking? Hagg and Morin? Cause we were going so many places with them. Name another young dman that hasn't made the roster yet that Braun is blocking? Ill wait......

His cap hit i mentioned, its minimal and for one year.

Why dont you go poll everyone who doesn't like the trade and ask why? then we can really find out who's right instead of you basically speaking for the 50% of people i mentioned, because in reality, you have no clue why they all don't like the trade.
- sjk540

Not true, I would've cared. Nothing you stated here addresses the issue of anyone saying that Braun is a bad player. Get with the program.

I do have a clue why those that don't like the trade don't like it. They said so in their posts. That's one of the dumber statements I've read on here.

Maybe not 100% true (and of course there's no gray area with MJL), you're right, and every situation is different. But there are still plenty of people out there that believe Niskanen is not a good player and that Gudas was way better. Retaining salary was just salt on the wound (to those people).
- sjk540

Fletcher has made this team better with the moves he's made. I don't think there is any denying that. I do see a trend in his trades that I don't like but the team is better than when the season ended.

Now he needs two more forwards (1 if Hayes is signed) and a back up goalie.