Another one for the scrapbook.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/braydon-coburn
- Feanor

So let get this right. You can come on this board and say something crazy like Robert Hägg should be our 7th defenseman, while Samuel Morin should be a regular in the line up based on.............

Then go on to have the Testicular fortitude to tell anyone on here that they're disconnected on the state of this team??

Go ahead, sing me that same old song about how I said back in 2015 that Luke Schenn is better than Radko Gudas. I can't wait to hear it again. I'll even sing it with you. At least Luke Schenn and Radko Gudas had history in the league, a record, resumes. Samuel Morin has 8 games and hasn't earned anything yet.

Brayden Coburn resigned with Tampa and I didn’t know. Oh, how stupid am I?

The bottom line is Gudas and Amac have been replaced by Niskanen and Braun. Yeah the second rounder is a bit much, especially to give them cap relief. Earth shattering moves? Nope. Rangers get Trouba for very little and we are overpaying for older dmen is probably why most fans, whether they know it or not are upset. we want big names in their prime. We are not mentioned when the biggest free agents names are discussed. It’s too early to judge, but our gm better make some better trades or get a premium free agent in the next 2 weeks or he will not be very popular this summer.
- darkerens

MacDonald was not in the teams plans this season. Braun will be replacing someone else. Not MacDonald.

Myers...not sure why people are penciling him the lineup. Schlemko will be waived, but that still leaves 7 defensemen guaranteed to be on the roster unless a trade takes place or Provorov holds out.
- Glak18

The GM talked him up as the Flyers 3rd pairing RHD just yesterday.

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...anen-and-more/c-307866440

"Radko has been a very effective third-pairing defenseman for us. He's been a great member of our organization, he's competed hard, and certainly we appreciate everything he did for our organization. Going forward, we believe we have an in-house player in Philippe Myers that can come in and take on some of that role. He's only played 22 games in the NHL so there could be an adjustment period, but having the ability to maybe slot Philippe into that third slot on the right side we feel is a real proper place for him to potentially start his NHL career," Fletcher said.

So if they aren't going to re-sign Braun than what is the point? To get a little better this year? Plus he blocks a younger player. How much does this move elevate the team?

I said this earlier. If you're a contending team and have a need, then getting Braun for a 2nd and 3rd is a good deal. If you're a developing team like the Flyers with young players to play at the same position, it doesn't make sense.

The only way it can make any sense is if they're trading a young defenseman. Then I have to look at what for.
- MJL

he isnt blocking anyone. False narrative. Please explain why you keep saying he is blocking anyone? Competition is good and it allows you to field your best team

Ever think they want some culture change on the ice and in the locker room as well

FWIW, from a SJ fan post:

BTW don't listen to naysayers, Braun's legit good at being a defensive defenseman. Man can take a beating and I wouldn't want him off the Sharks if it weren't for EK65 staying.

So, we got a solid defensive defenseman that can take a beating and play 20+ minutes on a team that almost got to the SC this year and has made the WCF's 2 of the last 4 years, and people are mad???

(yes I know this is a fans prerogative, but it basically matches what almost every pundit in SJ is saying as well, so yeah)
- sjk540

I haven't read one person post that Braun is not a good player.

So let get this right. You can come on this board and say something crazy like Robert Hägg should be our 7th defenseman, while Samuel Morin should be a regular in the line up based.........

Then go on to have the Testicular fortitude to tell anyone on here that they're disconnected on the state of this team??

Go ahead, sing me that same old song about how I said back in 2015 that Luke Schenn is better than Radko Gudas. I can't wait to hear it again. I'll even sing it with you. At least Luke Schenn and Radko Gudas had history in the league, a record, resumes. Samuel Morin has 8 games and hasn't earned anything yet.
- SuperSchennBros

Hagg should be the one traded because he has more value than Morin right now, and Braun can take over his third pairing/PK role.

But I'm not sure what that has to do with you telling everyone the Flyers should try and sign a guy on July 1st who was already signed by his current team this morning.

Brayden Coburn resigned with Tampa and I didn’t know. Oh, how stupid am I?
- SuperSchennBros

Very.

The only way it can make any sense is if they're trading a young defenseman. Then I have to look at what for.
- MJL

Back to...wait and see.

I’m good with your post here. It makes a lot of sense. I just wish one of these guys they got for the group came with less miles. These guys have a ton of mileage. Maybe it’s a good thing but I wouldn’t trade ghost now. You are setup to have a devastating 3rd pairing of ghost/Myers that will produce chances galore. Hayes? Fine bring him in and get something done next year. Have to play with numbers but I’d think there’d still be room to bring a middle 6 wing in

Send hagg packing for a 3rd. Recoup that pick
- Just5

I can definitely understand that, younger is for sure better, but the reason I like adding these two guys from an age perspective, is just due to the ages of the rest of the d corps. even Hagg (hopefully traded) and Morin (may be in the A) are younger guys. We needed vets on the ice and now we have two on our back end who can help the younger guys, thats why i may like this more than others.

I wouldnt trade Ghost now either, took the words right out of my month. Give him heavy o-zone minutes, and let him and myers create for the offense, without having to go against other teams top lines. Which also in turn could get Ghost out of his own head and revert him back to his 17-18 form.

I agree as well, we'll see where the cap lands this week and see what we can afford. Even if its a Donskoi, or Ferland, or even an older guy (not 34/35) to play 3RW with Lindblom Patrick wouldnt be bad. look what J will has done for the teams he went to, or Jagr. Vets are needed in every phase of the game, each and every stanley cup winner can attest to that.

1) Almost all of the Flyers youngsters are going RFA in the next two seasons, so cap-space isn't immaterial,

2) Veteran help and balanced pairings were already achieved after the Niskanen deal. Why bring in Braun now?

3) You don't want to block the kids long-term, but the kids also need minutes/opportunities to grow right now. The more vets you bring in, the less there is of that to go around.

4) Like MJL said, it's a mid-season move done during the summer to address a problem they don't even know they have yet. Myers could be ready to shoulder a heavier load right out of the gate. Then you just traded two top-90 picks for a 3rd-pair rental for a team that has a miniscule chance of making it out of the Eastern Conference.

5) There was already a numbers problem on the blueline after Niskanen. It just got worse w/ Braun. Morin might not get a fair shot at all now. Hagg may get dumped as an afterthought. Ghost could get moved for whatever the (frank). The effects cascade down the lineup.

6) Both the Niskanen and Braun trades somehow saw the Flyers help out desperately cap-strapped teams off the hook, while the Flyers seemingly still paid full price for the assets coming back the other way. Smells of wasted leverage.
- Tomahawk

Hagg should be the one traded because he has more value than Morin right now, and Braun can take over his third pairing/PK role.

But I'm not sure what that has to do with you telling everyone the Flyers should try and sign a guy on July 1st who was already signed by his current team this morning.
- Feanor

Again, it’s called having a job, therefore I wasn’t aware of all hockey news today. Why don’t you get yourself a job

Braun feels like nick Schultz all over again
- Just5

Schultz was on the UFA scrap heap after losing his top four role on two teams, so not much similarity there.

MacDonald was not in the teams plans this season. Braun will be replacing someone else. Not MacDonald.
- MJL

perhaps the goal is to replace Hagg (who gets moved) but also to play bigger minutes if one of the following things happen:

Myers fizzles
Ghost can't find his groove
Provy holds out/leaves

i think these guys coming in isn't to BLOCK any of the young guys. it's just they CAN play higher up if need be if some of the younger guys don't have linear growth in their play, but can also be limited in their minutes if these guys blossom...because you aren't going to resign either*

* that also makes it so no one needs to reference they are "older".

I haven't read one person post that Braun is not a good player.
- MJL

I have read multiple times that people feel he isn't worth what we traded, and if he were thought of as better, then that wouldn't be the issue. This is just semantics again. They didnt say he was bad, just the trade was bad, ipso facto, Braun's bad. People don't complain about what a team gives away unless they feel the player is not good. If they felt the player was good, why would they complain?

Braun feels like nick Schultz all over again
- Just5

Nick did 1000+ NHL games .So he must have something right

D-man should be OK with 3 Left and 3 Right shooting
Guessing Ghost will be traded but Hayes needs to be sorted first

Again, it’s called having a job, therefore I wasn’t aware of all hockey news today. Why don’t you get yourself a job
- SuperSchennBros

Having a job is what you made you lecture the rest of us because we did "not realize" the Flyers could look into Coburn on July 1st?

I thought that was just because you were an ignorant bumhole.

Tbh, you don't seem smart enough to hold down a job outside of a McDonalds.

Even though I had hoped the Flyers were done with D moves after the Niskanen trade, I'm fine with Braun coming in for year.

However, I think the team overpaid in both trades. Retaining salary on Gudas, a 2nd and 3rd for a guy with one year left on his contract knowing the Sharks needed to move out cap. Add in not getting a pick back in the Stolarz trade. The Flyers are handing out picks like candy again.

I hope they're focused on the forwards and a backup goalie now.

I have read multiple times that people feel he isn't worth what we traded, and if he were thought of as better, then that wouldn't be the issue. This is just semantics again. They didnt say he was bad, just the trade was bad, ipso facto, Braun's bad. People don't complain about what a team gives away unless they feel the player is not good. If they felt the player was good, why would they complain?
- sjk540

you can absolutely have a bad trade for a good player.

Having 7 or 8 NHL dmen is only a numbers problem if you live in a fantasy land where injuries never happen.
- Feanor

Isn't that what call-ups and in-season trades are for?

If anyone should be moved it's Hagg now that Braun and Niskanen are here. Neither of them are PP guys or offensive dmen like Ghost is.
- Feanor

They've basically created a situation where somebody needs to be traded, or somebody like Hagg/Morin could be lost on waivers before the season begins.

They've invested high picks and a lot of dev time into those guys to be casting them off in favor of a 32-yo guy coming off a down year.

I have read multiple times that people feel he isn't worth what we traded, and if he were thought of as better, then that wouldn't be the issue. This is just semantics again. They didnt say he was bad, just the trade was bad, ipso facto, Braun's bad. People don't complain about what a team gives away unless they feel the player is not good. If they felt the player was good, why would they complain?
- sjk540

That's ridiculous. Saying they don't like the trade is not saying that Braun is not a good player. There are many factors to a trade to consider. You're making a correlation that is not there. The factors as to why some don't like the trade has been spelled out in the thread. Perhaps a review is in order. You won't find anyone stating that Braun is not a good player. At least not that I've seen.

Justin Braun Rankings (among NHL defensemen)

DZ Stick Checks - 31st
DZ Puck battlews won - 24th
DZ Denied Entries - 37th
SH Blocked Shots - 12th

Isn't that what call-ups and in-season trades are for?



They've basically created a situation where somebody needs to be traded, or somebody like Hagg/Morin could be lost on waivers before the season begins.

They've invested high picks and a lot of dev time into those guys to be casting them off in favor of a 32-yo guy coming off a down year.
- Tomahawk

No one needs to go on waivers. In the unlikely even that every Flyers dman is healthy to start the season they can carry 8 dmen like a lot of teams do.

Or they could simply trade the young guy with value who isn't worth keeping, i.e. Hagg.

Having a job is what you made you lecture the rest of us because we did "not realize" the Flyers could look into Coburn on July 1st?

I thought that was just because you were an ignorant bumhole.

Tbh, you don't seem smart enough to hold down a job outside of a McDonalds.
- Feanor

Did you not just say Brayden Coburn was signed this morning? From my understanding, for the last 12 months, Coburn has been a pending free agent. So if I didn’t read it or wasn’t told until now, why would I look up Coburn’s contract status at any point today?

I’m the bumhole but you’re the one who started poop with today by calling me disconnected and I hadn’t said anything to you to warrant that comment.

You’re an idiot

Isn't that what call-ups and in-season trades are for?



They've basically created a situation where somebody needs to be traded, or somebody like Hagg/Morin could be lost on waivers before the season begins.

They've invested high picks and a lot of dev time into those guys to be casting them off in favor of a 32-yo guy coming off a down year.
- Tomahawk

whether people want to admit or not, Morin is a bust until proven otherwise. Doesnt matter the circumstances.

Rather they keep him and bust out here than take a chance he turns into a good player elsewhere. If they want to move Haag they will have no problem doing it.

I have read multiple times that people feel he isn't worth what we traded, and if he were thought of as better, then that wouldn't be the issue. This is just semantics again. They didnt say he was bad, just the trade was bad, ipso facto, Braun's bad. People don't complain about what a team gives away unless they feel the player is not good. If they felt the player was good, why would they complain?
- sjk540

Good use of ipso facto.

That's ridiculous. Saying they don't like the trade is not saying that Braun is not a good player. There are many factors to a trade to consider. You're making a correlation that is not there. The factors as to why some don't like the trade has been spelled out in the thread. Perhaps a review is in order. You won't find anyone stating that Braun is not a good player. At least not that I've seen.
- MJL

What are the reasons then a person would complain about a trade with a player they thought was good?

The package that was traded for him?
The contract remaining?

The package was a 2nd and a 3rd, hardly earth shattering
His contract has one year left and is sub 4.

So why do i see 50% of the posters complain about the trade? Because they view Braun as a sub par player, regardless if they didn't say those words verbatim.