Cmon dude, Coburn... Boyle? How did Boyle workout for Nash..

Braun has been a decent pairing with Vlasic. I am surprised so many people don't like these moves. At least Fletcher is trying to make something happen, and the expense has been some cap space and a few later round picks. We even get the cap space back in 1-2 years. We might even get a better 2nd rounder in return. Let's judge the full body of work after the draft.
- bmoreflyer

Because we just tied up over 12 million in four players, two of which don’t even play here anymore. We also lose out on selecting young players three days before the draft, because we through three different draft picks into a dumpster.

Flyers are a team that is realistically 2-3 years away.
- MJL

based on what? your projections of the "young" players all improving and the like?

I want a bottom six center, third or fourth line. Too much is being made of pushing Patrick back and bringing Hayes in. Too much is being made of Giroux going to wing. I don’t expect Couturier, Hayes and Patrick to be healthy all next season. Some players are going to have switch and adjust.
- SuperSchennBros

The part about them all not being healthy is very good . Makes getting a mid six C who can PK really important.

this guy (frank)ing sucks

If it’s ghost it could be a major deal. This team has sucked the last 5 years. I’m glad they are bringing in some new blood. What did people expect ? Another sit on your hands GM ?
- landros 2

I’m not surprised at all. I don’t like this particular move. People should’ve been buckled in for this summer. I don’t have a name instead of Braun but I’m not thrilled about counting on two 32 year olds with very high miles on the odometer to greatly move the meter for us

They lost out on Karlsson and trouba. They are grasping at straws

Coburn actually resigned with Tampa today. 2 years $3milish
- mickel25

Did not know this, thanks
2 years at 3m is pretty fair deal

The bottom line is Gudas and Amac have been replaced by Niskanen and Braun. Yeah the second rounder is a bit much, especially to give them cap relief. Earth shattering moves? Nope. Rangers get Trouba for very little and we are overpaying for older dmen is probably why most fans, whether they know it or not are upset. we want big names in their prime. We are not mentioned when the biggest free agents names are discussed. It’s too early to judge, but our gm better make some better trades or get a premium free agent in the next 2 weeks or he will not be very popular this summer.

I’m sure they are going to give Panarin an offer. Don’t think he’s coming here but I feel they will try.

OK maybe my definition of low risk, high reward is different from everyone else. I can’t even remember who I was arguing with but I used that term for Brian Boyle. Veteran, helps improve the bottom six, PK and faceoffs. It does not cost you assets or much cap to sign Brian Boyle. This to me is low risk, high reward.

Trading away multiple draft picks unsigned players, or players over 32 and eating up cap space to me is high risk, unlikely reward.
- SuperSchennBros

they acquired 2 good dman who have no long term obligations. How is this a bad move? They traded picks and Gudas. It is clear to the powers that be the old way of throwing the young D to the wolves was not going to work. They got them some help. Might not be the sexy help many want though it is help. They did not mortgage any part of the future with these moves. If it has 1 positive effect on Ivan, myers, and sanheim then it is worth it to me.

also keep in mind the attendance and revenue has been dwindling. Many don't look at the business aspect of what the flyers are doing. They raised ticket prices made upgrades to the building. So now they need to fill that building. So they had to improve the on ice product.

Because we just tied up over 12 million in four players, two of which don’t even play here anymore. We also lose out on selecting young players three days before the draft, because we through three different draft picks into a dumpster.
- SuperSchennBros

And we still have 8 draft picks and $30mil in cap space.

We could still get some picks back in a trade. Let's see what happens. Chuck is just getting started. I think we all can agree change is needed. Did people just want us to resign our RFA's, get a backup goalie, and a 2nd line center, and go into next season with virtually the same line up as last year? Moves need to be made, and so far nothing drastic has happened. We traded Gudas, picks, and a small amount of cap space for 1-2 years for two quality players that will be great mentors for the young D corps. These are good moves to see.

1) Almost all of the Flyers youngsters are going RFA in the next two seasons, so cap-space isn't immaterial

2) Veteran help and balanced pairings were already achieved after the Niskanen deal. Why bring in Braun now?

3) You don't want to block the kids long-term, but the kids also need minutes/opportunities to grow right now. The more vets you bring in, the less there is of that to go around.

4) Like MJL said, it's a mid-season move done during the summer to address a problem they don't even know they have yet. Myers could be ready to shoulder a heavier load right out of the gate. Then you just traded two top-90 picks for a 3rd-pair rental for a team that has a miniscule chance of making it out of the Eastern Conference.

5) There was already a numbers problem on the blueline after Niskanen. It just got worse w/ Braun. Morin might not get a fair shot at all now. Hagg may get dumped as an afterthought. Ghost could get moved for whatever the (frank). The effects cascade down the lineup.

6) Both the Niskanen and Braun trades somehow saw the Flyers help out desperately cap-strapped teams off the hook, while the Flyers seemingly still paid full price for the assets coming back the other way. Smells of wasted leverage.
- Tomahawk

1. in one year one contract comes off the books, and the next year the other contract comes off the books. so cap space won't be a problem in conjunction with these two contracts. Nisky's cap hit will not be the thing that stop us from signing the main 3 next year.

2. Technically, Hagg or Morin would be your 6th dman, so they are now even more balanced. Ghost Sanheim Provy on one side, Nisky, Braun, Myers on the other. # left, 3 right, all with different pedigrees.

3. We brought in two defensive vets, what other dmen are you blocking? Hagg? We know what he is. Morin? Hasn't been able to even stay healthy to see the ice, maybe lets see if he can put together one solid season in the A before anointing him an NHL player.

4. Braun plays second line minutes, and in the event Myers can handle a bigger load, then you have a good problem right there. For years defense has been our problem, we go out and get 2 defensively responsible guys on a team that gave up the third most goals last year, and we're mad over the cost? Lets be honest, Gudas, a 2nd and a 3rd aren't making or breaking anything in terms of contending for a cup.

5. see #2

6. When you identify two pieces that you want to help your team, you go get it. Why posture and wait around to hold out for giving up only a 4th/5th instead of a 3rd, and risk the guy you want not being there. Again, yes 2 higher draft picks were traded, but what are the odds either of those picks turn into anyhting better than what Braun even currently is? History tell us the odds are slim.

based on what? your projections of the "young" players all improving and the like?
- daryl stanley

yeah, not a fan of people giving their opinion as fact. according to the most recent stanley cup champion, we could contend for a cup as soon as this year, so, i dont buy the 2-3 year thing

I’m sure they are going to give Panarin an offer. Don’t think he’s coming here but I feel they will try.
- Marc D

They cannot afford him.

Do some of you not realize that we could have looked into a guy like a Brayden Coburn on July 1st instead of throwing away two draft picks three days before the draft?
- SuperSchennBros

Another one for the scrapbook.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/braydon-coburn

Because we just tied up over 12 million in four players, two of which don’t even play here anymore. We also lose out on selecting young players three days before the draft, because we through three different draft picks into a dumpster.
- SuperSchennBros

lol you're actually a moron. Counting a cap savings move like getting rid of 4mil of amacs contract is a bad thing?? IT GIVES US CAP SPACE NOT TAKE AWAY FROM IT

5) There was already a numbers problem on the blueline after Niskanen. It just got worse w/ Braun. Morin might not get a fair shot at all now. Hagg may get dumped as an afterthought. Ghost could get moved for whatever the (frank). The effects cascade down the lineup.
- Tomahawk

Having 7 or 8 NHL dmen is only a numbers problem if you live in a fantasy land where injuries never happen.

If anyone should be moved it's Hagg now that Braun and Niskanen are here. Neither of them are PP guys or offensive dmen like Ghost is.

Another one for the scrapbook.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/braydon-coburn
- Feanor

1. in one year one contract comes off the books, and the next year the other contract comes off the books. so cap space won't be a problem in conjunction with these two contracts. Nisky's cap hit will not be the thing that stop us from signing the main 3 next year.

2. Technically, Hagg or Morin would be your 6th dman, so they are now even more balanced. Ghost Sanheim Provy on one side, Nisky, Braun, Myers on the other. # left, 3 right, all with different pedigrees.

3. We brought in two defensive vets, what other dmen are you blocking? Hagg? We know what he is. Morin? Hasn't been able to even stay healthy to see the ice, maybe lets see if he can put together one solid season in the A before anointing him an NHL player.

4. Braun plays second line minutes, and in the event Myers can handle a bigger load, then you have a good problem right there. For years defense has been our problem, we go out and get 2 defensively responsible guys on a team that gave up the third most goals last year, and we're mad over the cost? Lets be honest, Gudas, a 2nd and a 3rd aren't making or breaking anything in terms of contending for a cup.

5. see #2

6. When you identify two pieces that you want to help your team, you go get it. Why posture and wait around to hold out for giving up only a 4th/5th instead of a 3rd, and risk the guy you want not being there. Again, yes 2 higher draft picks were traded, but what are the odds either of those picks turn into anyhting better than what Braun even currently is? History tell us the odds are slim.
- sjk540

I’m good with your post here. It makes a lot of sense. I just wish one of these guys they got for the group came with less miles. These guys have a ton of mileage. Maybe it’s a good thing but I wouldn’t trade ghost now. You are setup to have a devastating 3rd pairing of ghost/Myers that will produce chances galore. Hayes? Fine bring him in and get something done next year. Have to play with numbers but I’d think there’d still be room to bring a middle 6 wing in

Send hagg packing for a 3rd. Recoup that pick

Ok-

Gudas was not going to resign with the Flyers, there is a good chance he doesn't sign with the Caps.

Niskanen for Gudas is about fit and Niskanen fits better. Two years, good player, cup winner and perfect for the young D.

Trade today, I don't like giving up a 2nd in this years draft but they acquired a shut down D and from what I read he is a good defender, plus he has playoff and cup experience.

Two guys who can stabilize the kids and teach them how to become better professionals.

If I have to live with losing the second I can, dont like it but I like the way he is trying to stabilize the D.

I do see the issue with getting Hagg, Myers and Morin playing time.

Hayes does become more scary after todays moves but big rewards, require big risks.

I have to believe they can get picks if they want to replace what they traded, that they know how to work the cap. Hell, Pitt has been doing it for years. Boston did a rebuild on the fly and worked the cap.

next 2 moves will tell the future.
- wcorvette

Well said!!!!

They cannot afford him.
- Feanor

If we sign Hayes, we will probably just have enough for our guys.

1) Almost all of the Flyers youngsters are going RFA in the next two seasons, so cap-space isn't immaterial,

2) Veteran help and balanced pairings were already achieved after the Niskanen deal. Why bring in Braun now?

3) You don't want to block the kids long-term, but the kids also need minutes/opportunities to grow right now. The more vets you bring in, the less there is of that to go around.

4) Like MJL said, it's a mid-season move done during the summer to address a problem they don't even know they have yet. Myers could be ready to shoulder a heavier load right out of the gate. Then you just traded two top-90 picks for a 3rd-pair rental for a team that has a miniscule chance of making it out of the Eastern Conference.

5) There was already a numbers problem on the blueline after Niskanen. It just got worse w/ Braun. Morin might not get a fair shot at all now. Hagg may get dumped as an afterthought. Ghost could get moved for whatever the (frank). The effects cascade down the lineup.

6) Both the Niskanen and Braun trades somehow saw the Flyers help out desperately cap-strapped teams off the hook, while the Flyers seemingly still paid full price for the assets coming back the other way. Smells of wasted leverage.
- Tomahawk

1&6) Apprx. 6 mil is off the cap next season and the other 6 the following season.

2&5) I will readily admit that I was not thinking Fletcher would do the Braun deal. However, it does have merit. I never liked the idea of a Sanheim-Ghost pairing and putting all our eggs in the both Provy and Ghost will bounce back together simultaneously basket is verrrry wishful thinking.
I’ll admit to some concerns of potential future moves of Ghost not being what I’d like. I also think there is a possibility that there could be something we don’t know....Provy holdout, a d-man undisclosed offseason injury....unknown factor requiring more top 4 depth. Or it could be the new coaches have made a plan and needed this piece.

3&4) IMO I don’t see this as a problem, they learn, they play. And Myers might not be ready for top 4 at the start. Didn’t Vigneault just see him up close at worlds?

I don t quite understand the narrative of a Provy holdout. There is a decent amount of RFA dmen. Once one gets signed, the rest will get done. I have no concern over a holdout..

I don’t think they resign Braun, but too early to say. He gives Phillips Myers time to develop on the 3rd pair, by taking some hard match ups and PK minutes that Myers may not be ready for yet.
Kind of what Val Filpula did when he was here.

Maybe Hagg isn’t in their plans for the future I don’t know. He does need to play to get better, your question was rhetorical.
- Marc D

So if they aren't going to re-sign Braun than what is the point? To get a little better this year? Plus he blocks a younger player. How much does this move elevate the team?

I said this earlier. If you're a contending team and have a need, then getting Braun for a 2nd and 3rd is a good deal. If you're a developing team like the Flyers with young players to play at the same position, it doesn't make sense.

The only way it can make any sense is if they're trading a young defenseman. Then I have to look at what for.

FWIW, from a SJ fan post:

BTW don't listen to naysayers, Braun's legit good at being a defensive defenseman. Man can take a beating and I wouldn't want him off the Sharks if it weren't for EK65 staying.

So, we got a solid defensive defenseman that can take a beating and play 20+ minutes on a team that almost got to the SC this year and has made the WCF's 2 of the last 4 years, and people are mad???

(yes I know this is a fans prerogative, but it basically matches what almost every pundit in SJ is saying as well, so yeah)

Braun feels like nick Schultz all over again