The Rangers have done a good job thus far. However, the moves need to translate to success on the ice. Draft picks take time to become NHL level players.

Who do they have at center? Who do they have on defense? Lundquist will be done in a season or two. I am willing to bet they don't win a playoff series in the next three years.
- mickel25

Zibenajad who is pretty good. They have Lias Andersson coming in. I also could see them moving Krider or Vesey and maybe bring back more picks or a younger roster player.

Will it all work, I don't know but they have some solid pieces.

Zibenajad who is pretty good. They have Lias Andersson coming in. I also could see them moving Krider or Vesey and maybe bring back more picks or a younger roster player.

Will it all work, I don't know but they have some solid pieces.
- J35Bacher

I agree with you. But they have a lot of "ifs" right now. They need to add a lot of pieces before they become even a playoff team. Saying they will be completely rebuilt in less than five years is a stretch.

Keep in mind I am referencing what the NHL Network show stated not you specifically. The Rangers are off to a good start.

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On whether Trouba, who is a RFA, is open to signing long-term with #NYR:

"Honestly, last night we just wanted to enjoy being traded and the process and everything. I’m sure we’ll deal with that in the coming days… I could see myself being in NY for a long time."


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On his feeling about joining #NYR as they look to jump into contention again:

"They’re building a winner is the vibe I’ve gotten. They treat their players first class. It’s a first-class organization. It’s NY, so it’s a big stage and they expect a lot out of their team."

10:11 AM - Jun 18, 2019

I agree with you. But they have a lot of "ifs" right now. They need to add a lot of pieces before they become even a playoff team. Saying they will be completely rebuilt in less than five years is a stretch.

Keep in mind I am referencing what the NHL Network show stated not you specifically. The Rangers are off to a good start.
- mickel25

The Flyers have a lot of "if's" to.

Of course it was a half ass rebuild.

When you come out of one 5 or so years later and your best player is still an aging Giroux, with nobody coming even close to his talent level that is a problem.

It’s left the team in no mans land, with a promising young d core but the team still left in the position they have always been in.

“The Flyers go as Giroux goes” still rings true.

There is a real lack of star power, that’s come out of this “rebuild”. The price of chasing first round exits and being too proud to blow it up more. Ask the Minnesota Wild how far mediocrity gets you.

They need to really hit the mark on Frost or Patrick, and it’s disturbing that through this rebuild they are forced into chasing someone to fill 2C, even after completely being gifted the 2nd overall.

The Flyers have a lot of "if's" to.
- J35Bacher

Completely agree. That is why it takes longer than five years to fully rebuild a team.

Who was better two years into the rebuild? This Rangers team or the Flyers?

Just a funny idea. Who says no?

To Chicago: Voracek

To Philadelphia: Toews.

Flyers get number 2 center. Cap hit is higher but term is shorter. Solid 200 foot player but people say is declining a little.

Chicago gets less cap hit, term is longer. Winger to maybe play with Strome and Debrincat.

Completely agree. That is why it takes longer than five years to fully rebuild a team.

Who was better two years into the rebuild? This Rangers team or the Flyers?
- mickel25

that is relevant how? it should not take longer than 5 years to rebuild.

Just a funny idea. Who says no?

To Chicago: Voracek

To Philadelphia: Toews.

Flyers get number 2 center. Cap hit is higher but term is shorter. Solid 200 foot player but people say is declining a little.

Chicago gets less cap hit, term is longer. Winger to maybe play with Strome and Debrincat.
- J35Bacher

hawks easily pass this up as Toews is the face of the hawks.

Just a funny idea. Who says no?

To Chicago: Voracek

To Philadelphia: Toews.

Flyers get number 2 center. Cap hit is higher but term is shorter. Solid 200 foot player but people say is declining a little.

Chicago gets less cap hit, term is longer. Winger to maybe play with Strome and Debrincat.
- J35Bacher

I say hell no

Completely agree. That is why it takes longer than five years to fully rebuild a team.

Who was better two years into the rebuild? This Rangers team or the Flyers?
- mickel25

To rebuild a team completely back into contention it takes more than 2 years, Rangers aren’t anywhere near competing for a cup.

Scorched earth is a strategy the works if you trust your scouts. Teams have showed how to not do it, and we have also been shown how to do it properly.

This is all moot now anyway, the organization is going to push itself into a position to try and compete. Did they gather enough top end skill? We shall see.

I’ll never understand the fear of blowing it up. Is it really much worse to finish bottom 5 instead of 10th? Or being destroyed in round 1.

Flyers were confident in their approach to this. We shall see.

The Rangers have done a good job thus far. However, the moves need to translate to success on the ice. Draft picks take time to become NHL level players.

Who do they have at center? Who do they have on defense? Lundquist will be done in a season or two. I am willing to bet they don't win a playoff series in the next three years.
- mickel25

The Rangers are still rebuilding. We do not expect to contend for another 3 years. I think 2 years they make the PO. Hank is probably the 3rd best goalie on the roster going in to next year if we are honest with ourselves.

The reality is the Rangers for the first time are rebuilding right and their bad contracts expire in two years when they are ready to contend (staal, smith, shatty, hank)

Of course it was a half ass rebuild.

When you come out of one 5 or so years later and your best player is still an aging Giroux, with nobody coming even close to his talent level that is a problem.

It’s left the team in no mans land, with a promising young d core but the team still left in the position they have always been in.

“The Flyers go as Giroux goes” still rings true.

There is a real lack of star power, that’s come out of this “rebuild”. The price of chasing first round exits and being too proud to blow it up more. Ask the Minnesota Wild how far mediocrity gets you.

They need to really hit the mark on Frost or Patrick, and it’s disturbing that through this rebuild they are forced into chasing someone to fill 2C, even after completely being gifted the 2nd overall.
- flyer_nutter

If this summer is nothing more than Niskanen/Hayes, this team is no better than a bubble playoff team again. It's beyond old.

To rebuild a team completely back into contention it takes more than 2 years, Rangers aren’t anywhere near competing for a cup.

Scorched earth is a strategy the works if you trust your scouts. Teams have showed how to not do it, and we have also been shown how to do it properly.

This is all moot now anyway, the organization is going to push itself into a position to try and compete. Did they gather enough top end skill? We shall see.

I’ll never understand the fear of blowing it up. Is it really much worse to finish bottom 5 instead of 10th? Or being destroyed in round 1.

Flyers were confident in their approach to this. We shall see.
- flyer_nutter

Buffalo blew it up and they have the worst record in the league this decade. Weird how all the top end skill tanking should have gotten them hasn't resulted in a single playoff appearance since the Flyers beat them in 2011.

that is relevant how? it should not take longer than 5 years to rebuild.
- daryl stanley

My point is the Flyers were far more talented two years into there rebuild than the Rangers are now. So, how do the Rangers completely rebuild and compete for the cup in five years if they are further away than the Flyers at the same point in the rebuild?

If this summer is nothing more than Niskanen/Hayes, this team is no better than a bubble playoff team again. It's beyond old.
- PLindbergh31

They can tell the fanbase as much as they want that they are now going for it again, but unless results show that, it’s empty words.

I expected more 5 years out of this, and I don’t mean winning playoff rounds. I expected more top end talent.

Maybe some of these kids prove me wrong, but I don’t believe you win poop with just a bunch of above average players and an aging Claude Giroux.

Frustrating. Feels like no man’s land. Maybe Hart can carry them. Who knows.

The Rangers are still rebuilding. We do not expect to contend for another 3 years. I think 2 years they make the PO. Hank is probably the 3rd best goalie on the roster going in to next year if we are honest with ourselves.

The reality is the Rangers for the first time are rebuilding right and their bad contracts expire in two years when they are ready to contend (staal, smith, shatty, hank)
- nyrangers2

Agreed. I was just questioning the NHL Network show that stated it should not take 5 years to rebuild. The Rangers are on the right path unfortunately.

My point is the Flyers were far more talented two years into there rebuild than the Rangers are now. So, how do the Rangers completely rebuild and compete for the cup in five years if they are further away than the Flyers at the same point in the rebuild?
- mickel25

The Flyers never had a competent goalie or mgmt. Ton of talent on paper tho. Rebuild has a lot of luck to it as well based on the lotto unless your Edm or Buff

Buffalo blew it up and they have the worst record in the league this decade. Weird how all the top end skill tanking should have gotten them hasn't resulted in a single playoff appearance since the Flyers beat them in 2011.
- Feanor

Like I said, examples of how not to do it, and how to do it.

We shall see if the approach was successful in some years. Hopefully I’m wrong.

Agreed. I was just questioning the NHL Network show that stated it should not take 5 years to rebuild. The Rangers are on the right path unfortunately.
- mickel25

Rebuild can be accelerated if right pieces fall into place. That includes mgmt and coaching. Sather stepping down is the best thing for us next year. Along with brining in JD

My point is the Flyers were far more talented two years into there rebuild than the Rangers are now. So, how do the Rangers completely rebuild and compete for the cup in five years if they are further away than the Flyers at the same point in the rebuild?
- mickel25

more talented in your opinion. further away is subjective. Flyers aint much closer to a cup now than 3 years ago. still a ton of question marks

Seems like everything has to go right for the flyers to contend. Most think all these dman and fwd are going to pan out into stars or top end players. Time will tell and it is going to be entertaining as hell...

My feeling is that if they were rebuilding I would have really seen what voracek could have gotten. If the game for Hextall was patience then he should have been moved. That's why i kind of felt his plan was a little half assed. Either go all in or don't.

He probably would have been right there with E. Kane as top available wingers coming off an 81 point season.

Corburn that year got a 1st and Gudas. Kane was moved in a deal, along with Bogosian, and that brought back a 1st, prospect(Lemiux), Tyler myers and Stafford. Winniep selected Kyle Connor.


Long story short, maybe he should have done a little more in the blowup stage then he did.
- J35Bacher

I think trading Jake is tough now and then. Getting a better player in the draft, even a better projected player would have been a long shot. Like I said, some of it is luck, if the Flyers had a deeper draft to pick in maybe then trading a Jake a year or two prior would make sense. Of course if they cleaned house they might have a top 3 pick this draft

If this summer is nothing more than Niskanen/Hayes, this team is no better than a bubble playoff team again. It's beyond old.
- PLindbergh31

Stupid Fletcher should of got Duchene and Karlsson.

I think trading Jake is tough now and then. Getting a better player in the draft, even a better projected player would have been a long shot. Like I said, some of it is luck, if the Flyers had a deeper draft to pick in maybe then trading a Jake a year or two prior would make sense. Of course if they cleaned house they might have a top 3 pick this draft
- wcorvette

Ignore him. He's obsessed with trading Voracek.

I think trading Jake is tough now and then. Getting a better player in the draft, even a better projected player would have been a long shot. Like I said, some of it is luck, if the Flyers had a deeper draft to pick in maybe then trading a Jake a year or two prior would make sense. Of course if they cleaned house they might have a top 3 pick this draft
- wcorvette

where has keeping jake got them though? Bottom line is Ronald failed as a GM at the NHL level.