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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 18 @ 2:21 PM ET
Wasn't he a line 1 or 2 with the Sharks?
- leon neon


Spent half the season w/ Brendan Dillion, the other half with Vlasic. So kinda of an in-between season for him.

He was top-4 before they got Karlsson.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:22 PM ET
If Ghost had an even mediocre season last year, then I would agree. Guy was a healthy scratch late last season. He definitely still has value (especially with that contract) given the skill set he's shown in the past. And I agree that the other two being off the market helps his value, but I don't see it making that much of an impact. Hope I'm wrong
- Big_E_88


Well if Braun fetches a 2nd and third. And trouba with zero contract and no guarantee to sign gets you a 1st and young roster player I would imagine a 65 pt defenseman that plays top PP on a whopping 4.5 mil contract will bring in the bank.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 18 @ 2:23 PM ET
Near panic? No it's just that the myth that I support and like everything the Flyers do is just that, a myth. When the Flyers make a move I like and I say so, the chorus will come out again and say I support everything the Flyers do and forget about when I don't. It's really very funny.
- MJL


I meant it more as a compliment. You're not your low-variance demeanor today. You seem bothered.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 18 @ 2:24 PM ET
I think i give up.

If they win the cup next year and are a cap team. I DON"T GIVE A (frank). We won a cup finally.

Kevin Marshall was a 2nd rounder I believe.

People acting like we just moved Frost for Braun.

Good grief charlie brown.

I'm happy I might actually have a product to watch. I might actually see playoffs. I am not sitting guessing " well when everyone develops and we keep our picks...We might be good eventually"

Rant over. Enjoying the rdie

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 18 @ 2:24 PM ET
Well if Braun fetches a 2nd and third. And trouba with zero contract and no guarantee to sign gets you a 1st and young roster player I would imagine a 65 pt defenseman that plays top PP on a whopping 4.5 mil contract will bring in the bank.
- youarewrong


You would think. But at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Fletcher trades him for Weber and retains 50% of Ghosts salary.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 18 @ 2:25 PM ET
You would think. But at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Fletcher trades him for Weber and retains 50% of Ghosts salary.
- MBFlyerfan


Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 18 @ 2:26 PM ET
Well if Braun fetches a 2nd and third. And trouba with zero contract and no guarantee to sign gets you a 1st and young roster player I would imagine a 65 pt defenseman that plays top PP on a whopping 4.5 mil contract will bring in the bank.
- youarewrong


I wonder what a 50 goal scorer like Cheechoo would cost...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 18 @ 2:27 PM ET
I meant it more as a compliment. You're not your low-variance demeanor today. You seem bothered.
- Tomahawk



Well yea, they're operating like they're a contender and like they did when Holmgren was GM. It was okay in a different era but it's not the way to build a team now. Fletcher is trying to fulfill the mandate he was given and the Flyers are pushing towards being a cap team.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:27 PM ET
Braun is a guy you want on the 3rd pair not the 2nd pairing.
- MJL

The sharks were doing it wrong then I guess playing him with vlasic
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:28 PM ET
Name on 1 hand the number of D men we have in the system that will play in the NHL...yes, HUGE Surplus indeed...that pick at 41 was going to be a Dman...and 11 might be one as well...the farm is empty for D men right now and those picks would help fill it...
- JW98FlyerFan

Defenseman under 25.
Morin
Myers
Sanheim
Hagg
Provorov
Friedman
Zemula
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 18 @ 2:28 PM ET
I think i give up.

If they win the cup next year and are a cap team. I DON"T GIVE A (frank). We won a cup finally.

Kevin Marshall was a 2nd rounder I believe.

People acting like we just moved Frost for Braun.

Good grief charlie brown.

I'm happy I might actually have a product to watch. I might actually see playoffs. I am not sitting guessing " well when everyone develops and we keep our picks...We might be good eventually"

Rant over. Enjoying the rdie

- J35Bacher


Well there you go, the Flyers are now a Cup team. Fletcher did it! GM of the year.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 18 @ 2:28 PM ET
I think i give up.

If they win the cup next year and are a cap team. I DON"T GIVE A (frank). We won a cup finally.

Kevin Marshall was a 2nd rounder I believe.

People acting like we just moved Frost for Braun.

Good grief charlie brown.

I'm happy I might actually have a product to watch. I might actually see playoffs. I am not sitting guessing " well when everyone develops and we keep our picks...We might be good eventually"

Rant over. Enjoying the rdie

- J35Bacher


Their D and PK should be much better next year.

The implications for the salary cap with all their young guys needing deals in the next few seasons are a legit concern.

I am happy they seem to be shoring up holes and weaknesses in the line up while Giroux still has game.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 18 @ 2:28 PM ET
The sharks were doing it wrong then I guess playing him with vlasic
- Richieattack18




The Sharks were in a different position as a team than the Flyers are. Look deeper.
BroadSTmayhem
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2012

Jun 18 @ 2:29 PM ET
Rumors continue to swirl about a possible trade to NAS for Subban. If the Flyers are willing to go the route of an expensive addition on D, I’d much prefer they set their sights on Drew Doughty. Less $$, and he’s won a Cup.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Jun 18 @ 2:29 PM ET
Realistically the other shoe has to drop. There are to many dmen now and someone is going to be gone.
I doubt it’s Provy, Sanheim, or Myers so it’s either Haag or Ghost.
This might depend on the Hayes situation to determine what move Fletch has for either situation.
I’ll live with the Braun deal if Fletcher does something smart next but I’m not feeling very optimistic.
If the 11th and either Haag or Ghost is gone then I either want the flyers to move up in the draft and get a solid bottom six guy.
Ghost trade should be for a top six forward 25 or younger 50-60 point range.
Haag I would want picks and bottom 6 guy that is young.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 18 @ 2:29 PM ET
Well yea, they're operating like they're a contender and like they did when Holmgren was GM. It was okay in a different era but it's not the way to build a team now. Fletcher is trying to fulfill the mandate he was given and the Flyers are pushing towards being a cap team.
- MJL



I see that window we were about to open shrinking as we type.
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Jun 18 @ 2:30 PM ET
Doesn't matter. Flyers should be looking to the future and playing the young players. Not trading draft picks for a 32 year old player with one year left on his deal to take the spot of a young player. Scott and Holmgren pulling the strings. The Flyers are rocketing towards becoming a cap team.
- MJL

They have played the young guys and the results are less than inspiring. They threw them to the wolves and it hasn’t worked. They got them some help that doesn’t hurt any long term plans. Yea such bad moves.

Luv the take The spot of the young player mantra. Such a false narrative. What young player is having their spot taken ?
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 18 @ 2:30 PM ET
Rumors continue to swirl about a possible trade to NAS for Subban. If the Flyers are willing to go the route of an expensive addition on D, I’d much prefer they set their sights on Drew Doughty. Less $$, and he’s won a Cup.
- BroadSTmayhem


You do know Doughty makes 2m more than PK?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 18 @ 2:31 PM ET
Typically facts are not subjective.
- shekkie

Okay, so you tell me how far away we are from going on the way. Do not use the Blues as an example because we're not the Blues and I’m sure they broke a few records doing what they did.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 18 @ 2:31 PM ET
Their D and PK should be much better next year.

The implications for the salary cap with all their young guys needing deals in the next few seasons are a legit concern.

I am happy they seem to be shoring up holes and weaknesses in the line up while Giroux still has game.

- Marc D



Are the a cup team right now. Probably not. But I don't care if they are a cup team in 2025. I am ready to see progress and a competitive team now.

As much as no one seems to like to bring it up....it is a business. Winning helps the business. Promising theres a chance you might win in 2025 doesn't really work.



jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 18 @ 2:31 PM ET
Realistically the other shoe has to drop. There are to many dmen now and someone is going to be gone.
I doubt it’s Provy, Sanheim, or Myers so it’s either Haag or Ghost.
This might depend on the Hayes situation to determine what move Fletch has for either situation.
I’ll live with the Braun deal if Fletcher does something smart next but I’m not feeling very optimistic.
If the 11th and either Haag or Ghost is gone then I either want the flyers to move up in the draft and get a solid bottom six guy.
Ghost trade should be for a top six forward 25 or younger 50-60 point range.
Haag I would want picks and bottom 6 guy that is young.

- bird_dog_pa


I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Schlemko is safe from being moved.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 18 @ 2:31 PM ET
Mckenzie talking about Hayes 6 years north of 6.5 possibly... Oh god, that would leave around 23.5M to lock up Provy, Sanheim, TK, Hartman, Laughton, backup goalie. Gulp, buckle up gentleman.
- ClaudeFather

After the deals we recently made.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 18 @ 2:32 PM ET
Rumors continue to swirl about a possible trade to NAS for Subban. If the Flyers are willing to go the route of an expensive addition on D, I’d much prefer they set their sights on Drew Doughty. Less $$, and he’s won a Cup.
- BroadSTmayhem



Doughty makes 11 million to Subban's 9, and is signed for 7 more years compared to Subbans 4.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jun 18 @ 2:32 PM ET
Well yea, they're operating like they're a contender and like they did when Holmgren was GM. It was okay in a different era but it's not the way to build a team now. Fletcher is trying to fulfill the mandate he was given and the Flyers are pushing towards being a cap team.
- MJL


I am just gonna say it. I don’t know if you are right or wrong (bold)...too soon to tell. However, this is an extreme over reaction to a one year, 3.8 mil cap hit.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 18 @ 2:33 PM ET
They have played the young guys and the results are less than inspiring. They threw them to the wolves and it hasn’t worked. They got them some help that doesn’t hurt any long term plans. Yea such bad moves.

Luv the take The spot of the young player mantra. Such a false narrative. What young player is having their spot taken ?

- daryl stanley


Remember a few years ago when Buffalo tried running a defensive core with all their young guys and prospects...yeah that was the year Buffalo was covering the puck carrier with 5 players.
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