Papa wants Cally to come home.
- tomburton99

Serious question for debate, not a ball-bust...

Is there any point to making a move like taking on a bad contract anymore?
I feel like this rebuild quickly jumped over the need for such things. We all already dealing with guys being in the way of the next generation. Why add more players we know have deficiencies and contractual speedbumps?

Serious question for debate, not a ball-bust...

Is there any point to making a move like taking on a bad contract anymore?
I feel like this rebuild quickly jumped over the need for such things. We all already dealing with guys being in the way of the next generation. Why add more players we know have deficiencies and contractual speedbumps?
- Tonybere

I think he’s just being annoying. I agree the window for bad contracts is over.

Serious question for debate, not a ball-bust...

Is there any point to making a move like taking on a bad contract anymore?
I feel like this rebuild quickly jumped over the need for such things. We all already dealing with guys being in the way of the next generation. Why add more players we know have deficiencies and contractual speedbumps?
- Tonybere

I loved Cally when he was here his contract is not one we need to bring on board.

Would Columbus be interested in trading Panarin's rights for Shattenkirk if we retain half his salary? They have a ton of cap space and would essentially be giving up nothing. Shattenkirk could be decent there relative to the $3.3M cap hit they'd have playing on the bottom pair with no pressure
- SkjeiStadium

i like that , may have to throw in a 2nd or 3rd rder to get the go

I loved Cally when he was here his contract is not one we need to bring on board.
- blueshirts_fan

He only has this last year left on his contract. If we whiff on Panarin or any other big names out there I wouldn't mind taking him on if we get a prospect/young roster player.

getting late in the game for trading for someone's rights, the window to talk to free agents is just a week away anyway
- jimbro83

Fair enough. Just trying to figure out a way to afford Panarin. If they trade Vesey to Buffalo for a pick, and then package Nam and Stinky to a team like Edmonton for a pick that would clear $6.3M. Buyout Smith to save $3.4M. That gives us roughly $30M to work with.

Buch: 2 year, $3M bridge deal
ADA: 5 year, $4.5M
Lemieux: 2 year, $1.25M
Panarin: 7 Year, $11M
Trouba: 7 Year, $7.5M

That's $27.25M, although I could be way off base with those contracts

I loved Cally when he was here his contract is not one we need to bring on board.
- blueshirts_fan

stop with the cally talk. no has-been's needed.

Fair enough. Just trying to figure out a way to afford Panarin. If they trade Vesey to Buffalo for a pick, and then package Nam and Stinky to a team like Edmonton for a pick that would clear $6.3M. Buyout Smith to save $3.4M. That gives us roughly $30M to work with.

Buch: 2 year, $3M bridge deal
ADA: 5 year, $4.5M
Lemieux: 2 year, $1.25M
Panarin: 7 Year, $11M
Trouba: 7 Year, $7.5M

That's $27.25M, although I could be way off base with those contracts
- SkjeiStadium

I was thinking 58 and Vesey to Buffalo for 31

stop with the cally talk. no has-been's needed.
- mattstake

The argument for trading for Cally is not that Cally would help us in any way directly. It would be the prospect/young player/pick(s) we would receive in addition to Cally to incentivize us to take on the last year of his deal.

is there a need to go 4.5 mil for DeAngelo?

I like him, but with Trouba, Fox, and some day Lundqvist in the fold, I think it's best to bridge Tony D, two year deal for 2.3 mil, something like that

I was thinking 58 and Vesey to Buffalo for 31
- jimbro83

I'd do that in a heartbeat. Would also do vesey for buffalo's 2020 2nd rounder

The argument for trading for Cally is not that Cally would help us in any way directly. It would be the prospect/young player/pick(s) we would receive in addition to Cally to incentivize us to take on the last year of his deal.
- picklerick

whoa

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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Multiple teams I’ve spoken to are very concerned about this cap forecast. Many fear that when the NHL and NHLPA settle on an upper limit this week, it will be LESS than $82M for next season, or an increase of only slightly more than $2M.

whoa
- jimbro83

A revelation, i know. Was just takin a mofo to school

is there a need to go 4.5 mil for DeAngelo?

I like him, but with Trouba, Fox, and some day Lundqvist in the fold, I think it's best to bridge Tony D, two year deal for 2.3 mil, something like that
- jimbro83

I think if he progresses the way some of us expect him to, especially with a rising cap, that $4.5 could be a bargain in the last 2-3 years which is when we could reasonably expect guys like Lundqvist and Miller to start making an impact. He could be good trade fodder at that contract. I'd be cool with a bridge deal at 2.3 though

Fair enough. Just trying to figure out a way to afford Panarin. If they trade Vesey to Buffalo for a pick, and then package Nam and Stinky to a team like Edmonton for a pick that would clear $6.3M. Buyout Smith to save $3.4M. That gives us roughly $30M to work with.

Buch: 2 year, $3M bridge deal
ADA: 5 year, $4.5M
Lemieux: 2 year, $1.25M
Panarin: 7 Year, $11M
Trouba: 7 Year, $7.5M

That's $27.25M, although I could be way off base with those contracts
- SkjeiStadium

Chiarelli is no longer the GM of Edmonton, but I think he would have believed that Nam and Stinky were 2 separate players!

I think if he progresses the way some of us expect him to, especially with a rising cap, that $4.5 could be a bargain in the last 2-3 years which is when we could reasonably expect guys like Lundqvist and Miller to start making an impact. He could be good trade fodder at that contract. I'd be cool with a bridge deal at 2.3 though
- SkjeiStadium

Exactly. A longer term deal could make him really good trade bait "if" the other guys pass him by. I'm high on DeAngelo and have a felling he is sticking around.

Chiarelli is no longer the GM of Edmonton, but I think he would have believed that Nam and Stinky were 2 separate players!
- TheMessiah94

glad I'm not the only one who saw that

glad I'm not the only one who saw that
- blueshirts_fan

Would be great if the official trade sheet with the league said "Nam and Stinky", and when he gets to Edmonton, Chiarelli is wondering where the other one is.

glad I'm not the only one who saw that
- blueshirts_fan

Exactly. A longer term deal could make him really good trade bait "if" the other guys pass him by. I'm high on DeAngelo and have a felling he is sticking around.
- mdw7413

Agreed. I think he has the potential to be a top pairing defenseman. If Lundkvist comes up and is the real deal that's a good problem to have. What would suck is if we give ADA a two year deal and by the end of it he's looking for Trouba money and we lose him. Especially is Lundkvist doesn't end up being all that great. $4.5 for 5 would give us a lot of flexibility

Would be great if the official trade sheet with the league said "Nam and Stinky", and when he gets to Edmonton, Chiarelli is wondering where the other one is.
- TheMessiah94

With as poorly as Edmonton is run and what a doofus Chi is, would it shock anyone if a Milton happened and no one told Chi he was fired and was still just showing up at the office?

The argument for trading for Cally is not that Cally would help us in any way directly. It would be the prospect/young player/pick(s) we would receive in addition to Cally to incentivize us to take on the last year of his deal.
- picklerick

I understand that, but then once you've made the deal where you put him? And where would that new prospect fit in with all the other ones we've accumulated? If it's a player so young and green that they belong in Hartford, that's fine, but you've still got $5.8M of Cally sitting in the bottom six taking minutes/games played away from Stinky, Vesey, Fast, Lemieux, Lias, Strome, Beleskey, Boo, Brickley, Gropp, Ronning, Gettinger, Fogarty, Lettieri...

I realize that many of these guys are going to be career AHLers, but in terms of building a roster some may belong there every bit as much as Cally.

Would be great if the official trade sheet with the league said "Nam and Stinky", and when he gets to Edmonton, Chiarelli is wondering where the other one is.
- TheMessiah94

it was a joke but maybe Gorton offers both of them along with Namestnikov to Chevy for Ehlers. How can he pass up a 3-for-1?

For specifically you chief professor, "Words in a tweet I had read".

I could not however, in at least an hour or so in searching, find out alone which other teams had made those higher offers in the first place.
- RangerSaver

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