Kapanen is younger and faster, Kadri is cheaper and more productive.

They definitely need help on defense and if it costs Nylander and Johnsson, so be it.
- JohnFergusonJr

Johnson put up 20 goals and 40 points with just over 13 min of ice time. I don't see why you would let that go. The guy is a very useful winger and I don't think he's going to be paid any more than brown and hyman.

Put into context, kapanen played 300 plus more min. And had one more point.

Personally I think they can keep both Johnson and kap. Moving Marleau and zaitsev would create enough room, the catch is can dubas do it. Should be an interesting offseason.

Johnson put up 20 goals and 40 points with just over 13 min of ice time. I don't see why you would let that go. The guy is a very useful winger and I don't think he's going to be paid any more than brown and hyman.

Put into context, kapanen played 300 plus more min. And had one more point.

Personally I think they can keep both Johnson and kap. Moving Marleau and zaitsev would create enough room, the catch is can dubas do it. Should be an interesting offseason.
- mykokes

Neither Johansson or Kappy will get much money on their contracts this time round. If they try they will be out the door

Let’s say you have to hand out 2@2 for a bottom pair Vet D.
Your choices are Hainsey, Phaneuf, McQuaid, Lovejoy, Kronwall or Girardi.

Let’s say you have to hand out 2@2 for a bottom pair Vet D.
Your choices are Hainsey, Phaneuf, McQuaid, Lovejoy, Kronwall or Girardi.
- DrunkenCanuck

Go with the poison you know. Welcome back hainsey...for 1.5. (frank) 2.

Let’s say you have to hand out 2@2 for a bottom pair Vet D.
Your choices are Hainsey, Phaneuf, McQuaid, Lovejoy, Kronwall or Girardi.
- DrunkenCanuck

Try and go cheaper than that if you could but thinking McQuaid and then Hainsey really but that list is kinda sorta

Let’s say you have to hand out 2@2 for a bottom pair Vet D.
Your choices are Hainsey, Phaneuf, McQuaid, Lovejoy, Kronwall or Girardi.
- DrunkenCanuck

Neon, Hainsey, McHasselhoff.


I’d take Kronwal for one cheap year. I mean a Lap Dance at Jillies Cheap.

Oh boy. Cheveldayev got taken to the cleaners on trouba.
- joel878

it's actually a good return for wpg.
a 2nd line young rhd (with a good contract and quite a bit of upside) plus a 20nd ovr in this year's draft (and not 2020 or 2021) for a topline d that the whole league knew wasnt going to stay and wpg couldnt afford to keep.

nyr kept future years picks - i really expect an offersheet from them - let's hope it's mcavoy or tkachuck

maybe leafs can trade kadri or nylander to nyr (for kreider ? or a bigger deal including georgiev).

adding trouba and kaakko and maybe another young rfa via offersheet (point or mcavoy or marner or tkachuck) makes them a lot better al of a sudden. i like those types of bold rebuilds, nyr did really well with deadline deals for picks imo.

it's actually a good return for wpg.
a 2nd line young rhd (with a good contract and quite a bit of upside) plus a 20nd ovr in this year's draft (and not 2020 or 2021) for a topline d that the whole league knew wasnt going to stay and wpg couldnt afford to keep.

nyr kept future years picks - i really expect an offersheet from them - let's hope it's mcavoy or tkachuck

maybe leafs can trade kadri or nylander to nyr (for kreider ? or a bigger deal including georgiev).

adding trouba and kaakko and maybe another young rfa via offersheet (point or mcavoy or marner or tkachuck) makes them a lot better al of a sudden. i like those types of bold rebuilds, nyr did really well with deadline deals for picks imo.
- MaximusAurelius

Deal is fine for the Jets. I agree with you. Jets couldnt take salary back and this way they still get to keep the cupboards stocked. Maybe a 3rd piece would have been nice but overall it wasnt horrible considering the circumstances.

Johnson put up 20 goals and 40 points with just over 13 min of ice time. I don't see why you would let that go. The guy is a very useful winger and I don't think he's going to be paid any more than brown and hyman.

Put into context, kapanen played 300 plus more min. And had one more point.

Personally I think they can keep both Johnson and kap. Moving Marleau and zaitsev would create enough room, the catch is can dubas do it. Should be an interesting offseason.
- mykokes

Kapanen is younger, faster and a better all around player. He stays.

It's not "letting him go" if they get a defenseman in return.

They can keep them both but that won't improve the defense.

Go with the poison you know. Welcome back hainsey...for 1.5. (frank) 2.
- mykokes

Because he's old and he's finished.

Let him go (the actual definition of that saying) for 0.

Let’s say you have to hand out 2@2 for a bottom pair Vet D.
Your choices are Hainsey, Phaneuf, McQuaid, Lovejoy, Kronwall or Girardi.
- DrunkenCanuck

That's the beautiful part; they don't have to.

If the option is to sign old, poop players or to play Marlies, play Marlies, every single time.

Kapanen is younger and a better all around player. He stays.

It's not "letting him go" if they get a defenseman in return.

They can keep them both but that won't improve the defense.



Because he's old and he's finished.

Let him go (the actual definition of that saying) for 0.
- JohnFergusonJr

hainsey played really well in the playoffs vs bruins. he'll probably be back as a 3rd line pairing d (to play with rosen / liljegren at start season) / 7th d-man

That's the beautiful part; they don't have to.

If the option is to sign old, poop players or to play Marlies, play Marlies, every single time.
- JohnFergusonJr

you are really liking these first round exits i see.
cant win a stanley cup with a bunch of inexperienced ahl d-men

you are really liking these first round exits i see.
cant win a stanley cup with a bunch of inexperienced ahl d-men
- MaximusAurelius

Yeah, because Dion Phaneuf is going to win you a playoff series.

hainsey played really well in the playoffs vs bruins. he'll probably be back as a 3rd line pairing d (to play with rosen / liljegren at start season) / 7th d-man
- MaximusAurelius

Must be why that Bruins PP was horrible.

Oh wait...

Yeah, because Dion Phaneuf is going to win you a playoff series.


- JohnFergusonJr

ha - i never mentioned phaneuf.
he's toxic waste - bad character.
hainsey on the other hand would be a good choice to keep if at 1.5mln or less for 1 year.

ha - i never mentioned phaneuf.
he's toxic waste - bad character.
hainsey on the other hand would be a good choice to keep if at 1.5mln or less for 1 year.
- MaximusAurelius

You replied to a post that I replied to where the list was:

Hainsey, Phaneuf, McQuaid, Lovejoy, Kronwall or Girardi.

That's six pieces of poop in six different piles. But six pieces of poop nonetheless.

None of those guys win you a series and none of them have a future with the Leafs.

If the D is going to be bad, at least inexperienced Marlies give you something to build off of.

You replied to a post that I replied to where the list was:

Hainsey, Phaneuf, McQuaid, Lovejoy, Kronwall or Girardi.

That's six pieces of poop in six different piles. But six pieces of poop nonetheless.

None of those guys win you a series and none of them have a future with the Leafs.

If the D is going to be bad, at least inexperienced Marlies give you something to build off of.
- JohnFergusonJr

most of them at 1.5mln 1y as 6th/7th dman would still be a valuable addition.
rosen is way worse than gardiner in his own zone.
liljegren and sandin need at least 6 months more with marlies.
dermott injured.
gardiner probably gone.
so leafs will need to probably keep hainsey or add another cheap experienced d-man for the 3rd pair + pk.
(i do agree that hainsey's worst play was on tbe pk, he's too static imo. 5v5 he was really good vs bruins).

You replied to a post that I replied to where the list was:

Hainsey, Phaneuf, McQuaid, Lovejoy, Kronwall or Girardi.

That's six pieces of poop in six different piles. But six pieces of poop nonetheless.

None of those guys win you a series and none of them have a future with the Leafs.

If the D is going to be bad, at least inexperienced Marlies give you something to build off of.
- JohnFergusonJr

Maybe you really are JFJ

trade kadri + johnsson for hintz + faksa
trade nylander+ for provorov

hyman - tavares - marner
hintz - matthews - kapanen
russian dude 1 - faksa - moore
ufa - ufa - brown
(gauthier / russian dude 2)

rielly - muzzin
provorov - zaitsev
dermott - hainsey
(rosen / liljegren / ufa signing)

andersen
elliott (ufa)

I'm curious how the two Russian goalies for the rangers and islanders are going to work out. There khl numbers are outstanding, but I've also noticed a lot of khl goalies numbers are outstanding. Do they (frank) with the shot numbers?
- mykokes

The KHL is a very defensive league and the pace is a lot slower. Leads to more outside shots and visibility for goalies.

Horrible deal for the jets.
- Fakepartofme

I agree, lousy return for Trouba. From the Jets point of view they didn't allow any team to negotiate a deal or extention with Trouba - probably because this is an area of ass pain for the Jets - players publicly wanting out of Winnipeg. This makes him a one year rental and they got a late round first and a pylon - fairly typical for a rental.

Kapanen is younger, faster and a better all around player. He stays.

It's not "letting him go" if they get a defenseman in return.

They can keep them both but that won't improve the defense.



Because he's old and he's finished.

Let him go (the actual definition of that saying) for 0.
- JohnFergusonJr

I heard Sunday while up at a cottage shin dig up on Stoney I was at from some random old guy named Darren who said he use to partial scout for Carolina. He said that he heard from a few he keeps in touch with that Kapanen is there target and want big time. Just waiting for Toronto to clear space. Didn't say for who and don't know if true, just repeating.

Neither Johansson or Kappy will get much money on their contracts this time round. If they try they will be out the door
- TOGENIUS

keep both Johnsson and Kapanen in my opinion.

move Nylander - and not because of the holdout nonsense, but because he's the luxury (extra offense) that they can't afford due to his CAP hit - and the CAP hit of others.

a trade to Carolina based on Nylander for Pesce or Hamilton or look
to "help" Vegas with their CAP situation

Nylander, Rosen

Colin Miller, Haula, Nick Holden, Nicolas Hague


consider

Zaitsev for Severson(NJ) contingent upon what you might have to add



sign Hainsey for 1.5M for a single year

sign Witkowski(Detroit) FA

If the NYR sign Trouba, thats a great deal.
But i looks like some risk in not talking to him before.

So he could walk. But worth a shot since its not even thier own 1st

ha - i never mentioned phaneuf.
he's toxic waste - bad character.
hainsey on the other hand would be a good choice to keep if at 1.5mln or less for 1 year.
- MaximusAurelius

Oh