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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 16 @ 6:30 PM ET
Would you rather I make a list of all the good Dmen over the age of 34? Not sure how its relevant. A players skill is not relevant to how long their body can hold up. Niskanen is not an overly physical Dmen. There is no reason to expect him to decline.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


I agree with you that Niskanen should remain a good player for at least another few years. However a players skill is absolutely relevant to how long their bodies can hold up. Those skills erode over time as a player gets older. Niskanen ranked in the top 20 in the NHL in total hits among defenseman. He has a physical edge to his game.
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Jun 16 @ 6:33 PM ET
All he needs to be is a serviceable vet that can play in the top 6 while these kids mature a bit. I don't think he's going to be much of an issue.

Sure as hell an upgrade over AMac.

- hereticpride


Trading for a 5.75 cap hit and retaining part of Gudas salary doesn't say being a serviceable top 6 dman is what they're expecting. If he's on the bottom pair that will be disappointing and a waste of cap space.

I would expect top pair first year and then hopefully second pair by next year with someone like Myers or Sanheim playing with Provy on top pair
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 16 @ 6:57 PM ET
Im reading plenty of articles suggesting gudas has more to give or he could be primed for a larger role based on advanced numbers. They are all wrong. I guarantee Washington has no other plans for him than 17 minutes on the 3rd pairing. Gudas is a very effective player in his role but we all know he’s a player that needs to stay in that role.

Aren’t fancy stats fun?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 16 @ 6:59 PM ET
Trading for a 5.75 cap hit and retaining part of Gudas salary doesn't say being a serviceable top 6 dman is what they're expecting. If he's on the bottom pair that will be disappointing and a waste of cap space.

I would expect top pair first year and then hopefully second pair by next year with someone like Myers or Sanheim playing with Provy on top pair

- FlyerFan16


That’s exactly what we’ll need out of him. He supposedly had a wrist injury in the early part of 17-18 season and has been on the decline since. Here’s to hoping he can heal up this summer
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jun 16 @ 7:12 PM ET
I agree with you that Niskanen should remain a good player for at least another few years. However a players skill is absolutely relevant to how long their bodies can hold up. Those skills erode over time as a player gets older. Niskanen ranked in the top 20 in the NHL in total hits among defenseman. He has a physical edge to his game.
- MJL


Skills dont erode of time the body does. As a player you keep you reaction time, decision making, puck movement, stick handling ect. All these things players keep. There are many people playing hockey outside professional leagues well past 60 years old and they are still skilled. It is the body that doesnt physically hold up.
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Jun 16 @ 7:50 PM ET
Hagelin signs with Caps 4 years 11M
- arichardson22

Seems a fair price for Haglin. Always liked him. Fast as hell. Needs better hands though. Good third line winger. PKer and good fore and back checking.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 16 @ 8:23 PM ET
Seems a fair price for Haglin. Always liked him. Fast as hell. Needs better hands though. Good third line winger. PKer and good fore and back checking.
- jaws1955


Take that contract, white out hagelin, write in laughton, give it to him to sign.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 16 @ 8:29 PM ET
Take that contract, white out hagelin, write in laughton, give it to him to sign.
- Just5



hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 16 @ 8:41 PM ET
Im reading plenty of articles suggesting gudas has more to give or he could be primed for a larger role based on advanced numbers. They are all wrong. I guarantee Washington has no other plans for him than 17 minutes on the 3rd pairing. Gudas is a very effective player in his role but we all know he’s a player that needs to stay in that role.

Aren’t fancy stats fun?

- Just5

The only larger role he ever had was taking 100+ penalty minutes gooning it up in Tampa. I don't care what the numbers say, guy isn't developing much further at this point in his career.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 16 @ 8:43 PM ET
Trading for a 5.75 cap hit and retaining part of Gudas salary doesn't say being a serviceable top 6 dman is what they're expecting. If he's on the bottom pair that will be disappointing and a waste of cap space.

I would expect top pair first year and then hopefully second pair by next year with someone like Myers or Sanheim playing with Provy on top pair

- FlyerFan16

Well yeah, you want him to be a steady top four presence but if he's a solid 3rd liner at the end of the day so be it. Better than AMac and a neutered Gudas.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Jun 16 @ 8:46 PM ET
The only larger role he ever had was taking 100+ penalty minutes gooning it up in Tampa. I don't care what the numbers say, guy isn't developing much further at this point in his career.
- hereticpride

Two words: Offensive defenseman
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 16 @ 8:49 PM ET
Where is the sad LeClair Pens gif when you need it?
- hereticpride


Look up those two Penguin LeClair seasons.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 16 @ 8:50 PM ET
Would you rather I make a list of all the good Dmen over the age of 34? Not sure how its relevant. A players skill is not relevant to how long their body can hold up. Niskanen is not an overly physical Dmen. There is no reason to expect him to decline.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Actually, Yes if you’re gonna start with future hall of fame players.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 16 @ 8:54 PM ET
Skills dont erode of time the body does. As a player you keep you reaction time, decision making, puck movement, stick handling ect. All these things players keep. There are many people playing hockey outside professional leagues well past 60 years old and they are still skilled. It is the body that doesnt physically hold up.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

How is bringing up 60 year old men who play other 60 year old men Recreationally making a your point? We’re not talking about beer leagues, the topic is directly about professional hockey and the pro players who play in it. The capitals have a Stanley Cup winning defense. Niskanen wont be coming to that in Philadelphia.
sILKAsSINASALO
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2018

Jun 16 @ 8:56 PM ET
Would you rather I make a list of all the good Dmen over the age of 34? Not sure how its relevant. A players skill is not relevant to how long their body can hold up. Niskanen is not an overly physical Dmen. There is no reason to expect him to decline.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Niskanen was still playing top 2 minutes at his age. He isnt a power forward and falling apart at 31. The guy can move and had a bad Injury last year and still produced. I expect him to be motivated with the new team and he already knows he is a mentor to these young guys. He is going to do GREAT here.
Wasnt someone calling for Duncan Keith earlier this year?
I'll take niskanen over Keith all day...no offense
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 16 @ 9:05 PM ET
Niskanen was still playing top 2 minutes at his age. He isnt a power forward and falling apart at 31. The guy can move and had a bad Injury last year and still produced. I expect him to be motivated with the new team and he already knows he is a mentor to these young guys. He is going to do GREAT here.
Wasnt someone calling for Duncan Keith earlier this year?
I'll take niskanen over Keith all day...no offense

- sILKAsSINASALO


When can we start calling him nisky?
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jun 16 @ 9:07 PM ET
When can we start calling him nisky?
- Just5

From henceforth let him be known as Nisky.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 16 @ 9:10 PM ET
When can we start calling him nisky?
- Just5

Pierre's Matty Niskanen coming in hot.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 16 @ 9:27 PM ET
Look up those two Penguin LeClair seasons.
- SuperSchennBros


Nisky a former pen and cap. Yuck
sILKAsSINASALO
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2018

Jun 16 @ 9:37 PM ET
When can we start calling him nisky?
- Just5

Absolutely! I insist!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 16 @ 9:53 PM ET
Skills dont erode of time the body does. As a player you keep you reaction time, decision making, puck movement, stick handling ect. All these things players keep. There are many people playing hockey outside professional leagues well past 60 years old and they are still skilled. It is the body that doesnt physically hold up.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx



That's simply not true. Simple human element as someone gets older. Skills erode over time. So are you seriously saying that 60 year olds are just as skilled as when they're younger. Really an absurd comment that skill level doesn't erode over time.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 16 @ 10:49 PM ET
That's simply not true. Simple human element as someone gets older. Skills erode over time. So are you seriously saying that 60 year olds are just as skilled as when they're younger. Really an absurd comment that skill level doesn't erode over time.
- MJL

It’s called the mind can but the body can’t, but I didn’t expect you to know that
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 16 @ 11:47 PM ET
It’s called the mind can but the body can’t, but I didn’t expect you to know that
- 2Real


I'm having a hard time putting into words how dumb this comment is
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

Jun 17 @ 6:59 AM ET
Well, I found yesterday to be anti-climatic after the end of the week. I'm interested to see what sort of shenanigans Fletch will get up to this week. I know there are two weeks til we can shop UFAs but based on nothing but a feeling and watching Fletcher move, I think we have a new 2C, here by this time next week. I think he is not looking to go UFA but rather go trade route. I think it may hurt a bit this time. Nothing he has done so far REALLY hurt. Was hard to lose Simmer but not sure what he has left. Plus, he had an offer from the Flyers which he turned down. I think it takes one or two players, picks or prospects we like to get the 2C.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 17 @ 7:08 AM ET
Well, I found yesterday to be anti-climatic after the end of the week. I'm interested to see what sort of shenanigans Fletch will get up to this week. I know there are two weeks til we can shop UFAs but based on nothing but a feeling and watching Fletcher move, I think we have a new 2C, here by this time next week. I think he is not looking to go UFA but rather go trade route. I think it may hurt a bit this time. Nothing he has done so far REALLY hurt. Was hard to lose Simmer but not sure what he has left. Plus, he had an offer from the Flyers which he turned down. I think it takes one or two players, picks or prospects we like to get the 2C.
- jaws1955


The only thing that he's done that I didn't like was trading Stolarz for a player that we didn't play and don't seem eager to re-sign.
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