I guess the verdict is in.

poopty trade - about what we can expect from Stan.

We’re screwed.

I also believe the Hawks have the option to nullify any NMC or NTC clause.
- John McDonough

How would that happen? It’s in his contract, no?

How would that happen? It’s in his contract, no?
- StLBravesFan

I could be wrong, but I thought it only applies when a player waives a NMC to be traded.

Which imo he’ll do just fine in....and no he’s not known for his physicality but he does use his body well to clear the crease in which we are lacking in that area. He plays well positionally in his own end and uses his stick well. Which I think makes up for his lack of speed. Could stan have gotten someone better? 100% he could of....but for what we gave up, Stan did pretty good on this trade
- rwilliams88

But... it’s $4M a year for a guy who may end up no better than your 5-6 defenseman?

That’s the hook, not what you gave up to get him - but more of what you’re stuck with now that you have.

How would that happen? It’s in his contract, no?
- StLBravesFan

I know that players that waive NTC or NMCs and are traded need an addendum signed by their new team to keep the clause intact. I’m not sure how it would work in this case since it hasn’t kicked in yet. Could be that the Hawks can not include it and gain some flexibility.

I know that players that waive NTC or NMCs and are traded need an addendum signed by their new team to keep the clause intact. I’m not sure how it would work in this case since it hasn’t kicked in yet. Could be that the Hawks can not include it and gain some flexibility.
- John McDonough

If it didn’t kick in yet, he wouldn’t have needed to waive it.

I’m guessing nothing changes there.

How would that happen? It’s in his contract, no?
- StLBravesFan

Its irrelevant in this case. His hasn't kicked in yet.

Maybe Maatta gets flipped in a subsequent trade? There’s a lot of LHD on the roster right now.

I guess the verdict is in.

poopty trade - about what we can expect from Stan.

We’re screwed.
- StLBravesFan

On a serious note. There does seems to be some disconnect between their amateur scouting and scouting at the pro level. They have drafted mobile, puck moving D-men pretty much of late and have acquired sluggish D-men in trades and FA signings.

Its more of a meh deal. Maybe it was done to clear a spot up front for a guy they think has more upside than Kahun while acquiring guy who may help on the PK who probably cost less than what can be found in the UFA pool.

Maatta doesn't really bring anything different than what they already have except maybe some experience. At the same time, Maatta being here doesn't allow some younger guys to get any experience for the next 3 years.

Its irrelevant in this case. His hasn't kicked in yet.
- Elbows15

According to Capfriendly the Hawks have the option honor or nullify the clause.

https://twitter.com/capfr.../1140061501572767744?s=21

LOL

They got to control the scenario by trading amid who might have been edged out by the signings, or a newly drafted player (don't ask not sure) , or a Rockford hopeful.

Yeah, no reason for all the panties here in knots...the team was NOT LOOKING for a goon, so they took a chance on the LHanded young vet to fill spot no more no less.
- wiz1901

I don’t get it either. Everyone is so upset. Give the guy a chance.... Kahun was easily replaceable... if Maata works out, Stan is going to look like a genius. If he doesn’t, then his cap hit isn’t to bad..

I don’t get it either. Everyone is so upset. Give the guy a chance.... Kahun was easily replaceable... if Maata works out, Stan is going to look like a genius. If he doesn’t, then his cap hit isn’t to bad..
- RedRevenge

Upset? Nah. Trade is big huge M'eh to me. It doesn't seem to be a trade that made them better. Or worse. Just shuffled some chairs around the Titanic.

In a hard cap league, if it doesn't work out, his cap hit isn't too good either.

According to Capfriendly the Hawks have the option honor or nullify the clause.

https://twitter.com/capfr.../1140061501572767744?s=21
- John McDonough

Then they should tell him tough poop. You aren't getting a NTC clause. They don't owe him anything. Tho, his injuries and play are enough of a NTC at this point.

I am sad to see Kahun go, I think he was a really solid player, but don’t think it impacts the forward lineup too much.

I like the move for Maata, I don’t know too much about him but it looks like he played top 4 minutes on 2 cup winning teams just 2 years ago...Furthermore, it seems like he was very highly thought of but has had some health problems which have slowed him down.

To me the downside is he becomes an expensive third pair dman and the upside is he returns to form and becomes a solid top 4 guy, which doesn’t seem out of the question as he is only 24. Im looking forward to seeing what he can provide. It seems like many on here have been clamoring for a defensive dman, so I am surprised to see the negative response.

I’m tentativly happy as I feel this addition of a legit nhl dman improves the dcore no matter what and potentially is a big win if he can provide stable top 4 minutes with a run and gun guy like gus.

Upset? Nah. Trade is big huge M'eh to me. It doesn't seem to be a trade that made them better. Or worse. Just shuffled some chairs around the Titanic.

In a hard cap league, if it doesn't work out, his cap hit isn't too good either.
- Elbows15

Don't be concerned about Maatta's cap hit, Stan will be rectifying his mistake of 2 years ago when he sends Connor Murphy packing shortly.

Upset? Nah. Trade is big huge M'eh to me. It doesn't seem to be a trade that made them better. Or worse. Just shuffled some chairs around the Titanic.

In a hard cap league, if it doesn't work out, his cap hit isn't too good either.
- Elbows15

People around here took a dump on Stan when he traded for Strome. I was excied about the trade.... Look how it ended up? I remember when we resigned Gus and this board was FURIOUS! He then had a 60 point season....

This trade is exactly what Stan has been doing. Under the radar trade for a player that isn't working out for their team. Yes Maata has regressed, but it's possible that this change of scenery is what he needs. I'm not going to write off a 24 year old defensemen with high block percentage and stanely cup experience because he has trouble skating..

This move is high upside. He gives up a solid lower line player and a low round pick for a possible 3/4 or 5/6 defensemen. Imagine if Maata works out and can play 3/4 minutes??? If he doesn't work out then it isn't an issue since we didn't give up Saad, Anisimov, or one of our defensive prospects.

Maybe Maatta gets flipped in a subsequent trade? There’s a lot of LHD on the roster right now.
- Chief4Feathers

I sure hope so. Penguins fans are rejoicing tonight, they got rid of a mediocre player with a pretty big Cap hit (for an at best bottom pairing guy). Simply don't understand this move at all, trading a very serviceable young player for a guy who was a healthy scratch in then playoffs. Hawks have more third pairing D-man than anyone in the NHL. Maybe Bowman can trade 2 or 3 of these guys for an actual Top 4, which the Hawks barely have 2 of those.

Didn’t we say the Strome trade was a bad trade also.Why do we always have to crap on Bowman when he makes a trade.Lets just see how this plays out.Lets see who he play with,and what kind of roll he has with the Hawks before we throw Bowman under the bus.

People around here took a dump on Stan when he traded for Strome. I was excied about the trade.... Look how it ended up? I remember when we resigned Gus and this board was FURIOUS! He then had a 60 point season....

This trade is exactly what Stan has been doing. Under the radar trade for a player that isn't working out for their team. Yes Maata has regressed, but it's possible that this change of scenery is what he needs. I'm not going to write off a 24 year old defensemen with high block percentage and stanely cup experience because he has trouble skating..

This move is high upside. He gives up a solid lower line player and a low round pick for a possible 3/4 or 5/6 defensemen. Imagine if Maata works out and can play 3/4 minutes??? If he doesn't work out then it isn't an issue since we didn't give up Saad, Anisimov, or one of our defensive prospects.
- RedRevenge

There is the dynamic of the salary cap and limited resources... If Maatta doesn’t work out to be more than a 5-6 (high likelihood that is the case) then there is a big “issue” of paying him $4M per year. That’s $4M that can’t be used elsewhere to improve the roster. Maatta has regressed due to some serious health/injury issues (cancer and hip) not because he couldn’t find his role or other adjustment type of concerns.

A key difference in the Schmaltz for Strome/Perlini trade is that neither team were locked into $/term with the players they hoped to get in a change of scenery. This Maatta experiment has the team committed for multiple years at a relatively high amount for a depth defenseman.

Perhaps the thinking is to pair him with fellow Fin Jokiharju as a RHD to Maatta’s LHD? If so, the kid is going to need to skate his ass off to compensate for his partner.

Multiple sources on here are saying "watch Murphy"
I wonder if he goes to someone like TOR in exchange for one of their many forwards and/or RFA nightmares.
Something like Murphy and a 3rd for Kappanen
or Murphy for Johnsson and a 3rd?
It fills a RHD need for the Leafs and "allows" them to dump Zaitsev for nothing with a cheaper (better?) replacement


EDIT:
And/or throw 1 year of Marleau into that proposal.

Murphy + 7th for Marleau + 2020 1st + Johnsson + 2019 2nd
Marleau turns into a 6M place holder for ADB's raise and we get to move useless Murphy's 4M out of the 4 horsemen's way.

Flip the picks at the draft to move up/down/accumulate assets

Found this interesting article on Maatta:

https://triblive.com/spor...sions-penguins-must-make/

Bright side? If Maatta earns top 4 minutes, $4 million per year is cheap.

People around here took a dump on Stan when he traded for Strome. I was excied about the trade.... Look how it ended up? I remember when we resigned Gus and this board was FURIOUS! He then had a 60 point season....

This trade is exactly what Stan has been doing. Under the radar trade for a player that isn't working out for their team. Yes Maata has regressed, but it's possible that this change of scenery is what he needs. I'm not going to write off a 24 year old defensemen with high block percentage and stanely cup experience because he has trouble skating..

This move is high upside. He gives up a solid lower line player and a low round pick for a possible 3/4 or 5/6 defensemen. Imagine if Maata works out and can play 3/4 minutes??? If he doesn't work out then it isn't an issue since we didn't give up Saad, Anisimov, or one of our defensive prospects.
- RedRevenge

I liked the Strome trade because it kept Stan from overpaying his own guy in Schmaltz. Strome has been a nice pickup. But at the same time Bowman failed to address the black hole (the defense) last season - unless you want to rave about the Brandon Manning signing.

Pens fans are rejoicing because they just got rid of an injury prone guy who has 3 years left at 4mil and is a 5-6 guy. A guy who was a healthy scratch in the 3 of the 4 games they played against the Jackets this spring in their first round series...and if it doesn't work out it is a problem because you're stuck with that cap hit for 3 more seasons plus you gave up a draft pick. Kahun wasn't blowing the doors off but the kid was solid and could skate.

Unfortunately Stan can't trade every one of his mistakes to Phoenix...but lord knows he's trying.

Bright side? If Maatta earns top 4 minutes, $4 million per year is cheap.
- 35Tony0

That’s a big “IF” to roll the dice on...

I had a dream last night that the Hawks traded for Pittsburgh's Olli Maatta and a lot of posters on this board were upset.