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shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 13 @ 3:34 PM ET
Got a good feeling some draft day trades are going to improve this roster.
- Pomegrant

Doubtful

DOOMED
Crushers68
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
Joined: 02.17.2009

Jun 13 @ 4:24 PM ET
I just think trading butcher is bad for the team credibility, the dude wanted to play here and he’s good. Though I guess if hall says get a top pair dman or I’m gone then by all means.
- shvingter88


Agreed
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jun 13 @ 4:40 PM ET
.. we probably are still 1 more year away from being done with the rebuild.. and probably could benefit from another top 10 pick.

but.. we can't keep Hall AND do that, so it's one or the other. Plenty of pros to keeping Hall.. and plenty of pros to trading Hall.

and I'm not going to use my crystal ball to say which to do because I don't have one, so I don't have an opinion anymore.

I'm out of opinions.

except don't sign Gardiner. don't do that.

doesn't hurt to get better when you can, if you can.. if it's the right, smart move. Right/smart moves on a young team don't include spending young assets/draft picks on guys 30 and over. idk. In Ray we trust.
Finnisher29
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 05.17.2017

Jun 13 @ 6:10 PM ET
Been hearing rumors for a bit now on the Winnipeg end of things of Trouba possibly to NJ. What do you guys feel would be a fair trade from the Devils end? Severson, a 3rd and someone like Miles Wood? Or is that way too much?
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 13 @ 6:16 PM ET
Been hearing rumors for a bit now on the Winnipeg end of things of Trouba possibly to NJ. What do you guys feel would be a fair trade from the Devils end? Severson, a 3rd and someone like Miles Wood? Or is that way too much?
- Finnisher29

how many more roster players do you think you should get for one of your guys? I'm thinking 5-6 at least.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Jun 13 @ 6:23 PM ET
Been hearing rumors for a bit now on the Winnipeg end of things of Trouba possibly to NJ. What do you guys feel would be a fair trade from the Devils end? Severson, a 3rd and someone like Miles Wood? Or is that way too much?
- Finnisher29


Isn't Trouba more interested in his salary than his team?
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Jun 13 @ 9:55 PM ET
Isn't Trouba more interested in his salary than his team?
- Leniwm1


No, they’re both equally interested.
archromat
Location: Moncton, NB
Joined: 01.16.2012

Jun 13 @ 10:21 PM ET
One of the biggest assets I'm guessing the Jets are looking for is a first round pick.

He could get moved before the draft to one of the teams in the 8-16 range for a first and a top up (a prospect) or a roster center.

If that deal doesn't happen, then I think NJ might come into play.

I think there's a trade to be made from Philadelphia.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jun 13 @ 11:58 PM ET
Been hearing rumors for a bit now on the Winnipeg end of things of Trouba possibly to NJ. What do you guys feel would be a fair trade from the Devils end? Severson, a 3rd and someone like Miles Wood? Or is that way too much?
- Finnisher29



Wouldn't trade Severson locked up for 4 million per for 4 more seasons straight up for RFA Trouba, let alone Severson+. Just wouldn't make sense from the Devils perspective.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 14 @ 6:47 AM ET
Been hearing rumors for a bit now on the Winnipeg end of things of Trouba possibly to NJ. What do you guys feel would be a fair trade from the Devils end? Severson, a 3rd and someone like Miles Wood? Or is that way too much?
- Finnisher29

Nope
redmonsters
New Jersey Devils
Location: NY
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 14 @ 7:52 AM ET
Been hearing rumors for a bit now on the Winnipeg end of things of Trouba possibly to NJ. What do you guys feel would be a fair trade from the Devils end? Severson, a 3rd and someone like Miles Wood? Or is that way too much?
- Finnisher29


Just my opinion, but why trade decent players/prospects for some one you will then have to overpay for the value he has. Hard pass, unless he comes cheap, say like for a third round pick - and that is one-for-one.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Jun 14 @ 10:21 AM ET
No, they’re both equally interested.
- Queenie_5_hole


No I mean he's the holdout type guy. Unless he changed.

Also, Raphael Lavoie has an insane wrist shot. If he is available for us, I say get him as well.
Crushers68
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
Joined: 02.17.2009

Jun 14 @ 10:52 AM ET
No I mean he's the holdout type guy. Unless he changed.

Also, Raphael Lavoie has an insane wrist shot. If he is available for us, I say get him as well.

- Leniwm1


If so, would his nickname be Ravioli?
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 14 @ 11:08 AM ET
Eberle extended by Isles, thank god.
willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

Jun 14 @ 11:16 AM ET
Eberle extended by Isles, thank god.
- Pomegrant

Not only do we avoid him, but Hall can't blame Shero for not getting them back together
redmonsters
New Jersey Devils
Location: NY
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jun 14 @ 11:22 AM ET
Not only do we avoid him, but Hall can't blame Shero for not getting them back together
- willschulme

Or Ebe knoes Hall is not long for nj.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Jun 14 @ 11:30 AM ET
Or Ebe knoes Hall is not long for nj.
- redmonsters


OR the fact that Ebs and Hall are a 40 min drive away from one another could also help.
devilspep
Joined: 07.12.2009

Jun 14 @ 11:50 AM ET
So I guess we can all focus our FA attention on Nyquist now? Nyquist or bust.

I seriously think though that its more likely Ray trades for someone. We have far better luck stealing players away then convincing them to sign here.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Jun 14 @ 12:04 PM ET
So I guess we can all focus our FA attention on Nyquist now? Nyquist or bust.

I seriously think though that its more likely Ray trades for someone. We have far better luck stealing players away then convincing them to sign here.

- devilspep


Ray mentioned a few times drafting a player at a position that we do not necessarily need because it will allow the "shuffling" of players. So I wonder if this means Zacha will be moved, since Zajac aint going anywhere.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 14 @ 12:11 PM ET
Not only do we avoid him, but Hall can't blame Shero for not getting them back together
- willschulme

Hall will look good in an isles sweater
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jun 14 @ 12:23 PM ET
Eberle extended by Isles, thank god.
- Pomegrant

5 years 5.5mil. freaking detrimental.
Crushers68
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
Joined: 02.17.2009

Jun 14 @ 12:26 PM ET
5 years 5.5mil. freaking detrimental.
- MartysBetter88


Big overpayment in my mind. Glad Shero didn’t have a crack at him at that price. I am very surprised in Lou though....spending like a drunken sailor LOL
devilspep
Joined: 07.12.2009

Jun 14 @ 12:31 PM ET
Big overpayment in my mind. Glad Shero didn’t have a crack at him at that price. I am very surprised in Lou though....spending like a drunken sailor LOL
- Crushers68


Shouldn't be surprised. He made a habit towards overpaying vets later on.
archromat
Location: Moncton, NB
Joined: 01.16.2012

Jun 14 @ 12:55 PM ET
5.5 x 5 isn't bad for Eberle. I'd have offered around 5x5 but Lou probably added the extra 500k for what he did in the playoffs.

People who judge his points for his contract forget what team he's playing on. These are Lou's Jennings trophy Islanders.

I'm still completely in the dark about who Ray's going to go after. I highly doubt Nyquist; he'll get overpaid. Nyquist is, to me, a 45 point winger who had a good year, and not worth much more than 4.5M/y.

This team still needs a D that can chew up minutes way better than Vatanen and Greene can, and a RW with some possession/puck retrieval to his game. He's probably got team scopes set on Karlsson, but as for forwards, I have no clue.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Jun 14 @ 1:06 PM ET
5.5 x 5 isn't bad for Eberle. I'd have offered around 5x5 but Lou probably added the extra 500k for what he did in the playoffs.

People who judge his points for his contract forget what team he's playing on. These are Lou's Jennings trophy Islanders.

I'm still completely in the dark about who Ray's going to go after. I highly doubt Nyquist; he'll get overpaid.

- archromat



I can't imagine a free agent who can play in a top six role making less the $5M these days. If someone doesn't want Eberle, that's fine; but thinking he was going to get substantially less money seems a bit naïve.

If Taylor Hall has indicated he's not signing long term in NJ we might see as massive trade at the draft. Nashville will gladly give us Subban Plus....
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