If Hughes falls to 2, trade it to MTL for Domi 15 2020 1st
- nyrangers9479

Goodness! WHY? Why? WHY??

If Hughes falls to 2, trade it to MTL for Domi 15 2020 1st
- nyrangers9479

As GM for the Sabres, call me what you will, fair game.

My logic was and remains
Alex Turcotte >>>> 7 & 30 (31 if Blue win the SC). Various pronasticators have Turcotte as 3rd best player, in fact an actual NHL Scout described his Skill-set as a cross between Sidney Crosby and Brad Marchand...not bad. He has a complete 200' game, plays with grit, is a terrific skater, and a gamer with fierce compete level. The Sabres are sorely lacking in most of those attributes. While projected to be a true #1 Center, on the Sabres if he can unseat Jack Eichel there, TERRIFIC, if not he is a 1B to a 1A. While other Centers are strong in some categories (loved Cozens), I felt no other had the whole package.
As a aide, my intelligence with other GMs suggested the next 2 Centers desired would not be available...maybe a smoke screen, not sure until selections are made. In that scenario, I did not want to chance getting the 4th best Center at our highest position of need.

Is 7 + 30 an overpayment, yes I recognize that..hence why a current, young 3C was added in exchange for a prospect 3 years into his professional development. 1 in the hand vs 2 in the Bush concept in 0lay here for sure. Could Nylander suddenly turn into a top 6 player...maybe, but being close and watching his development for 3 years slow down, it has reduced my confidence in the probability. His value, to me after being selected in that 1st round has diminished shed significantly.

Brassard is a sweetener, if not signed, oh well...from our vantage point a 2nd in 2020 allows us to further buildout the future pipeline.

I continue to like the deal. Our guy in Turcotte was not going to be available, and highly doubtful Cozens would be either.
- IonSabres

I don’t understand why the Avs would part with compher for Nylander who can’t crack the sabres lineup. Turcotte is exactly what the Avs need so they won’t be trading down for the 7 th pick

I’ll bite in eks rumor, “blockbuster” does Monahan mean giving up the 2 pick? I’d think monohan is an untouchable

Says Kreider in “blockbuster”

I’ll bite in eks rumor, “blockbuster” does Monahan mean giving up the 2 pick? I’d think monohan is an untouchable

Says Kreider in “blockbuster”
- Slimtj100

NO WAY, NO HOW do Rangers trade #2 pick

Goodness! WHY? Why? WHY??
- TommyGTrain

Hughes isn’t my type of player. Not saying he won’t be good, he’s going to be very good, I just don’t like smaller/softer players. My prediction on Hughes, All Star regular season numbers, disappears in the playoffs. We’ll circle back to this in 5 years or so and see if I was right or wrong.

If Hughes falls to 2, trade it to MTL for Domi 15 2020 1st
- nyrangers9479

YES. Hughes doesn't win, failed at the u18, u20 and WC.

I’ll bite in eks rumor, “blockbuster” does Monahan mean giving up the 2 pick? I’d think monohan is an untouchable

Says Kreider in “blockbuster”
- Slimtj100

EK, notoriously on the pluse of NHL transactions.

I’ll bite in eks rumor, “blockbuster” does Monahan mean giving up the 2 pick? I’d think monohan is an untouchable

Says Kreider in “blockbuster”
- Slimtj100

Kreider and Georgie?
R Andersson+?

EK, notoriously on the pluse of NHL transactions.
- tomburton99

I know, but Kreider to Calgary does make some sense

Kreider and Georgie?
R Andersson+?
- nyrangers9479

Maybe something like that, not bad.

Someone flame fan posted 20 and Kreider for Brodie and 26, I’m like seriously? Smh

Hughes isn’t my type of player. Not saying he won’t be good, he’s going to be very good, I just don’t like smaller/softer players. My prediction on Hughes, All Star regular season numbers, disappears in the playoffs. We’ll circle back to this in 5 years or so and see if I was right or wrong.
- nyrangers9479

I am not saying you're wrong, but just realize he is almost the exact same size as Gretzky when he came to the Oilers... Point is, not to say he is the next Gretzky, but Hughes is still growing and he will get bigger.

Maybe something like that, not bad.

Someone flame fan posted 20 and Kreider for Brodie and 26, I’m like seriously? Smh
- Slimtj100

Hahaha no

I am not saying you're wrong, but just realize he is almost the exact same size as Gretzky when he came to the Oilers... Point is, not to say he is the next Gretzky, but Hughes is still growing and he will get bigger.
- TommyGTrain

Gretzky was Gretzky though. Hughes will be very good, I just think softer guys like him get shut down pretty easy in the playoffs. They don’t like the rough stuff, and playoffs are all about the rough stuff.

I agree that his development has been slow and that he could develop into a fine top 6 forward, however I am still concerned with how the contract negotiations and holdout his brother had with the Leafs went down. Is he going to be a problem down the road too? If a team values him in the trade then you take it.
Turcotte, to me, is by far the best player in the draft behind the top 2. I actually voted that the trade was unfair for the Avs. However, if they want someone like Caufield and feel he'll be there at 7, then good for them.
- adambuffalo

Funny, I was thinking the same when I typed my rationale for the trade...but while it is real, it is a secondary consideration in reality...but would hate it at the time contract negotiations play out.

I think Turcotte is going to be a beast and truly think he could be inthe running for the best player out of this draft when reevaluated 5+ years down the road.

I wish Botts could do this trade in real life.

Interestingly enough the trade on it's own is recieved well...even close un terms of who thinks which team was "taken advantage of"

Hughes isn’t my type of player. Not saying he won’t be good, he’s going to be very good, I just don’t like smaller/softer players. My prediction on Hughes, All Star regular season numbers, disappears in the playoffs. We’ll circle back to this in 5 years or so and see if I was right or wrong.
- nyrangers9479

yeah, but you understand that the Rangers aren't going to trade the opportunity to draft Hughes because you perceive him to be a soft player

I dont mind the discussions of if the Devils draft Kakko, what kind of package would it take to trade the opportunity to draft Hughes, but whether or not he's your type of player is irrelevant

NO WAY, NO HOW do Rangers trade #2 pick
- rrentz

Not what I said. I meant if Monohan would cost the two pick, I wouldn’t do that. But just wondering aloud if he would be available, I don’t think he would

I don’t understand why the Avs would part with compher for Nylander who can’t crack the sabres lineup. Turcotte is exactly what the Avs need so they won’t be trading down for the 7 th pick
- YKhali99

4-16 are basically equal value talent on the board. Turcotte could have been a great get, however, with Girard coming in and playing as well as he did it sort of alters the asset management part of that trade.
The dust could have been settled last year when Tkatchuk (and Zadina) was available to be drafted at 4OA, however, Dorion decided to use the pick.

In my head Turcotte is superior to Tkatchuk in terms of value and potential. When you have an asset (Duchene) and he gets traded you’re trying to get something back in that trade to equal the value.
Girard met that quota, as well with Duchene leaving it was addition by subtraction.

Maximizing the value of the 2019 4th overall was my priority.
Attaining Nylander (essentially taking a flier on him) and another late 1st rounder whilst moving down 3 spots was great value especially when you consider Nylander will add top-9 skill/talent.


Instead of Turcotte/Tkatchuk the Avs get Caulfield/Zegras, Nylander and 30/31 overall. That to me is maximizing value as depth clearly wins playoff games and championships.

Sabres fan here

I know the guy doing the picking was trading up specifically for Turcotte
But I’d have been just as happy if Chicago took Turcotte & we got Byram 4th

1) idk that Turcotte will for sure be a better pro than Cozens, Dach, etc

2) in this trade, we are getting Compher & Brassard... so a Center is NO LONGER our biggest need
We’d be just fine for the future with
1C-Eichel 2C-Mittelstadt 3C-Compher

Then on defense...
Pair1: Dahlin-______
Pair2: Byram-______

That’s a heck of a start to a great Top4 for years to come


Overall, good trade though & im happy with Turcotte. He should be a really good 2way Center,
and we can play Compher at LW

Don’t bother re-signing Brassard,
take the 2nd round pick

Nice haul by the AV’s 👍

Gretzky was Gretzky though. Hughes will be very good, I just think softer guys like him get shut down pretty easy in the playoffs. They don’t like the rough stuff, and playoffs are all about the rough stuff.
- nyrangers9479

Fair enough, just don't see Rangers trading out of #2 and they will happily take Hughes if Devils do the unexpected and pass on him. If Rangers turn out to be wrong with Hughes, just remember, EVERYBODY was wrong ( except you ).

As far as the rough stuff, maybe Fenir will comment....

Not gonna lie, almost shyt my pants when i opened this site and saw the picture of Kreider on the main blog

Sabres fan here

I know the guy doing the picking was trading up specifically for Turcotte
But I’d have been just as happy if Chicago took Turcotte & we got Byram 4th

1) idk that Turcotte will for sure be a better pro than Cozens, Dach, etc

2) in this trade, we are getting Compher & Brassard... so a Center is NO LONGER our biggest need
We’d be just fine for the future with
1C-Eichel 2C-Mittelstadt 3C-Compher

Then on defense...
Pair1: Dahlin-______
Pair2: Byram-______

That’s a heck of a start to a great Top4 for years to come


Overall, good trade though & im happy with Turcotte. He should be a really good 2way Center,
and we can play Compher at LW

Don’t bother re-signing Brassard,
take the 2nd round pick
- jdfitz77

In your 2 scenario, byram is already gone when Chicago took him 3, so you wouldn’t have Compher technically AND byram. So yes, if center is of need, the guy took turcotte thinking he’s the better of the 3 with dach and cozens. I get you may not take turcotte at 4 with the buf pick but in this specific exercise on HB that’s what happened. Again byram is already taken, so he went with his BPA in turcotte

yeah, but you understand that the Rangers aren't going to trade the opportunity to draft Hughes because you perceive him to be a soft player

I dont mind the discussions of if the Devils draft Kakko, what kind of package would it take to trade the opportunity to draft Hughes, but whether or not he's your type of player is irrelevant
- jimbro83

If they only would’ve listened to me about Shattenkirk 😂

Ill put a Chara type helmet/jaw guard thing on when my LA pick is announced
- Slimtj100

It better not be for defense. Byram is gone. That would have been the guy. Center is of need after byram