Thoughts??

Reports are that the Blackhawks are looking to acquire Ryan Murray?


https://www.secondcityhoc...eman-ryan-murray-nhl-2019
- RedRevenge

He was on my list of potential young top 4 d targets.

I am cautious because of his injury issues... but when he's healthy he's a legit top 4.

Heard on Sirius from a Columbus beat writer that if Murray was healthy, the way he was playing last year, he was on pace for 5-6M a year.

Sounds like a bit of a stretch but he was highlighting the level Murray is capable of.

That depends how you define "stay at home d-man". I think Murray will jump into the offense more than what I would consider a stay at home d-man.
- EbonyRaptor

Correct. Good skater. Can produce some points although not overly big offensive generator..Murray is a puck mover and skillful .........was #2 overall. I read a story about him and he is married and likes to even sing or plays guitar country music. He would be serious about wanting to prove his worthiness and he has a.wife to come home to..

Murphy has been in the league 6 years and has played 320 games. An average of 53 games a season.
- boilermaker100

So I guess you are telling me he has sat out 35% of the games, for whatever reason.

I don't dislike him as a player but that's a lot of games to miss.

So I guess you are telling me he has sat out 35% of the games, for whatever reason.

I don't dislike him as a player but that's a lot of games to miss.
- RickJ

It is a risky move due to being injury prone. But you want to make playoffs he is part and partial.

He was on my list of potential young top 4 d targets.

I am cautious because of his injury issues... but when he's healthy he's a legit top 4.

Heard on Sirius from a Columbus beat writer that if Murray was healthy, the way he was playing last year, he was on pace for 5-6M a year.

Sounds like a bit of a stretch but he was highlighting the level Murray is capable of.
- Tyler Cameron

Wonder what the trade would look like? Have to think with murry's injury history would steer a lot teams away. Thoughts Tyler?

Here are Murray's seasons and games played:

2013/14 = 66
2014/15 = 12
2015/16 = 82
2016/17 = 60
2017/18 = 44
2018/19 = 56

Wonder what the trade would look like? Have to think with murry's injury history would steer a lot teams away. Thoughts Tyler?
- Scott1977

It had better include Gus. Watching him perform in his own end for Tortorella would be comedy gold.

Where are you getting those totals? Hockey Reference has way different numbers.

https://www.hockey-refere...tats_basic_plus_nhl::none
- Rota's Rooter

I was answering a comment about Murphy not Murray.

It had better include Gus. Watching him perform in his own end for Tortorella would be comedy gold.
- RickJ

Or could Gus pair with Murray?

That's a bit misleading. He played 30 games his first season and was only in 52 games last year after surgery. The four years in between were: 73, 78, 77, 76 GP, and I don't have any info on healthy scratches considering he was still very young.
- Chunk

I'm going by Murray's stats on cap friendly. His first season 13/14 he played 66 games followed by seasons of 12, 82, 60. 44 and 56 games played.

In a perfect world? Neither.
- Elbows15

Well yeah, but nothing is perfect is it? I still think I would lean towards Seabrook. He may not have the wheels to keep up with a lot of the speed today, but he is very good when set up in his own zone.

I'm going by Murray's stats on cap friendly. His first season 13/14 he played 66 games followed by seasons of 12, 82, 60. 44 and 56 games played.
- boilermaker100

Yes, I was talking about Murphy.

Edit: Sorry, you mentioned Murphy in your first comment about this. Maybe just a typo, but I took it and ran...

Summer 2019:
Acquire Murray $4.5M x 3 years
Draft Byram

2019/20 lineup:

Keith-Jokiharju
Murray-Gustafsson
Byram-Murphy
Seabrook

Summer 2020:
Gustafsson out
Boqvist in

2020/21 lineup:
Keith-Jokiharju
Murray-Boqvist
Byram-Murphy
Seabrook

2021/22 lineup:
Byram-Jokiharju
Murray-Boqvist
Keith-Murphy
Seabrook

I was answering a comment about Murphy not Murray.
- Chunk

Sorry my bad, I referred to Murray of CBJ as Murphy and caused the confusion.

Anyway a lot of us think that Murray is injury prone who has missed one third of the games in his career

Summer 2019:
Acquire Murray $4.5M x 3 years
Draft Byram

2019/20 lineup:

Keith-Jokiharju
Murray-Gustafsson
Byram-Murphy
Seabrook

Summer 2020:
Gustafsson out
Boqvist in

2020/21 lineup:
Keith-Jokiharju
Murray-Boqvist
Byram-Murphy
Seabrook

2021/22 lineup:
Byram-Jokiharju
Murray-Boqvist
Keith-Murphy
Seabrook
- EbonyRaptor

Will have to expose a D man in the expansion draft after the 20/21 season. Probably Murray and Murphy if Seabs Keith and Joki protected.

Edit - It would make room for Mitchell

I've been a believer that Koekkoek, Forsling and Dahlstrom should all not be on the roster next season. At most one of them should be the #7. Dahlstrom can be reassigned to Rockford without waivers if needed, then Stan would just need to worry about the other two.

Keith - Jokiharju
Murray - Gustafsson
Murphy - Seabrook
Forsling or Koekoek
- DarthKane

Dahlstrom has to pass through waivers to be sent down. On D the following guys are still waiver exempt.

Beaudin
Boqvist
Carlsson
Gilbert
Hillman
Jokiharju
Krys
Tuulola

Murray i thought was playing ok which when there is nothing bad to note, then supposedly he had been ok. He was on the third pair. Of course Werenski and Seth Jones will eat a lot of TOI. Murray most likely could handle a. #2 pair role. I read an article within last two years saying that he was ok being on a third pair and he was nit about to rock the biat over it. But first he just has to play, shake off the rust. The former #2 overall his draft year, was out injured since mid February.

He is a two way solid defender skates well not great. Uncertain his willingness checking and what if any impact injuries have or could have upon performance. I feel it is just staying healthy and that is really about all there is to it. He could be a steal.
- jhawk59

Just ftr Murray wasn't bottom pair last year - he was Columbus' #3 in TOI at 5v5 and overall as well as their top PK defender, playing almost 2 minutes more than Savard overall. He was playing really well on the 2nd pair until he was injured (again). So he's likely an upgrade on the Hawks 2nd pair, but for how many games? 55-65? Would he make it to the playoffs because he didn't for the Jackets.

I'd still be surprised if only picks would be what it took to get him, injury prone or not. The Jackets don't have any other top 4 d-men in their system including prospects (maybe their KHL guy in a few years if he progresses). You'd think the Jackets would prefer a defense prospect at the very least but who knows.

Either way, his history is too fraught with injury to give up much for him.

Just ftr Murray wasn't bottom pair last year - he was Columbus' #3 in TOI at 5v5 and overall as well as their top PK defender, playing almost 2 minutes more than Savard overall. He was playing really well on the 2nd pair until he was injured (again). So he's likely an upgrade on the Hawks 2nd pair, but for how many games? 55-65? Would he make it to the playoffs because he didn't for the Jackets.

I'd still be surprised if only picks would be what it took to get him, injury prone or not. The Jackets don't have any other top 4 d-men in their system including prospects (maybe their KHL guy in a few years if he progresses). You'd think the Jackets would prefer a defense prospect at the very least but who knows.

Either way, his history is too fraught with injury to give up much for him.
- L_B_R

But to appease Rocky might Bowman offer Forsling and a 3rd 2019? To Rocky making the playoffs means the team has a descent core and the prospects hopefully help us farther in the following seasons. So is it worth offering. Murray part and parcel to a serious playoff run even if the team falls short? If Forsling stays here plus Murrav that is too many dmen around. Karkolainen might take Forsling.

Summer 2019:
Acquire Murray $4.5M x 3 years
Draft Byram

2019/20 lineup:

Keith-Jokiharju
Murray-Gustafsson
Byram-Murphy
Seabrook

Summer 2020:
Gustafsson out
Boqvist in

2020/21 lineup:
Keith-Jokiharju
Murray-Boqvist
Byram-Murphy
Seabrook

2021/22 lineup:
Byram-Jokiharju
Murray-Boqvist
Keith-Murphy
Seabrook
- EbonyRaptor

4.5M for guy who averages missing 30 games a year is not good value to me.

Just ftr Murray wasn't bottom pair last year - he was Columbus' #3 in TOI at 5v5 and overall as well as their top PK defender, playing almost 2 minutes more than Savard overall. He was playing really well on the 2nd pair until he was injured (again). So he's likely an upgrade on the Hawks 2nd pair, but for how many games? 55-65? Would he make it to the playoffs because he didn't for the Jackets.

I'd still be surprised if only picks would be what it took to get him, injury prone or not. The Jackets don't have any other top 4 d-men in their system including prospects (maybe their KHL guy in a few years if he progresses). You'd think the Jackets would prefer a defense prospect at the very least but who knows.

Either way, his history is too fraught with injury to give up much for him.
- L_B_R

Is Anisimov a possible trade candidate if Stan has something else in the works for a 3C?
Columbus only has about 9 forwards inked for next year. Assuming they don't resign Panarin. Duchense, Dzingel they will need some help up front.

Edit Throw in a 4K. Forsling. Dahlstrom?

I really don’t understand why people on this board continue to want Keith and or Gus traded.Our PP started to be effective with Gus at the point,he had 60points on the season.Keith by far is still our best defencemen.So let’s trade them both.

But to appease Rocky might Bowman offer Forsling and a 3rd 2019? To Rocky making the playoffs means the team has a descent core and the prospects hopefully help us farther in the following seasons. So is it worth offering. Murray part and parcel to a serious playoff run even if the team falls short? If Forsling stays here plus Murrav that is too msny dmen around. Karkolainen might take Forsling.
- jhawk59

I'm wondering if that is enough to get Murray. He is 25, a former #2 overall, he probably hasn't peaked yet and played a big role already for CBJ. I'm just thinking CBJ might want more since they aren't in a huge cap crunch and don't need to unload salary.

4.5M for guy who averages missing 30 games a year is not good value to me.
- Elbows15

How much playoff revenue if with Murray they get in? Even if only one and done. Not that you are wrong. You can look at this from different angles.

And to be totally realistic, most players miss some games due to illness or injuries. Where else and at what is your opportunity cost before the law of diminishing returns? Murray could be worth it. Even a nice playoff run.

I'm wondering if that is enough to get Murray. He is 25, a former #2 overall, he probably hasn't peaked yet and played a big role already for CBJ. I'm just thinking CBJ might want more since they aren't in a huge cap crunch and don't need to unload salary.
- breadbag

Could be so.

Summer 2019:
Acquire Murray $4.5M x 3 years
Draft Byram

2019/20 lineup:

Keith-Jokiharju
Murray-Gustafsson
Byram-Murphy
Seabrook

Summer 2020:
Gustafsson out
Boqvist in

2020/21 lineup:
Keith-Jokiharju
Murray-Boqvist
Byram-Murphy
Seabrook

2021/22 lineup:
Byram-Jokiharju
Murray-Boqvist
Keith-Murphy
Seabrook
- EbonyRaptor

Byram would not be rushed to NHL. No matter hiw quickly he picks up on things and shows in remental steps in development.