The amount of work those players have to put in to get him the puck is exhausting. I am unsure if you remember Ovechkin at 20. The man was bouncing pucks of the boards, scoring on his back, setting up line mates for goals and that's when goalies equipment was progressively getting bigger.

This year when goalie equipment got smaller so did Laine's goal totals. His "heat map" only represents shots he took. It does not take into consideration how he got the puck to take those shots.
- TheUltimateJet

Just speaking on the bolded part but OV at 20 was also running right over top of players, open ice hitting and a generational wrecking ball and a working toward being a generational scorer. He could score but everyone forgets the guys was a f-----g wrecking ball in his early years. He grew out of the wrecking ball role and focused on play making and scoring.

There is absolutely no comparison between OV and Laine at 20 except goals being scored. OV at 20 was a physical beast that could score.

Is it my imagination or is all the noise/controversy/bad vibes/rumours/threats/etc emanating from the young guys ? ... I know they have the contracts moving from ELC to grown-up contracts but I don't, as an example, here the noise from the Myers camp

One edge of the sword sounds like "gimme gimme gimme" millennial bull_hit and the other edge may sound like "this is how the negotiating game is played now"

Meanwhile, Chevy signing all the easy ones up

Is it my imagination or is all the noise/controversy/bad vibes/rumours/threats/etc emanating from the young guys ? ... I know they have the contracts moving from ELC to grown-up contracts but I don't, as an example, here the noise from the Myers camp

One edge of the sword sounds like "gimme gimme gimme" millennial bull_hit and the other edge may sound like "this is how the negotiating game is played now"

Meanwhile, Chevy signing all the easy ones up
- CorydonKeith

more immaturity is expected from young teams.

as of puck drop for 2018-19 the Jets were tied for 2nd youngest in the league with Columbus at 25.8yrs and just 0.1 years average above Carolina at 25.7yrs.

6 teams were older than Boston at 28yrs (Vegas, Sharks, Pens, Isles, Wild & Kings)

10 teams were older than the Blues at 27.5 years (see above plus Preds, Panthers & Hawks)

Some ageing certainly won't hurt us and will likely help. Nothing to do with speed, energy, skills or strength - just deeper knowledge of the game, more consistency due to advanced professionalism, better at picking moments to expend energy, being more predictable to play with etc. And to your point Keith - more mature.

The amount of work those players have to put in to get him the puck is exhausting. I am unsure if you remember Ovechkin at 20. The man was bouncing pucks of the boards, scoring on his back, setting up line mates for goals and that's when goalies equipment was progressively getting bigger.

This year when goalie equipment got smaller so did Laine's goal totals. His "heat map" only represents shots he took. It does not take into consideration how he got the puck to take those shots.
- TheUltimateJet

Laine isn’t Ovechkin. Stylistically, he isn’t Ovechkin. He doesn’t have the same skill set as Ovechkin. Laine is getting the puck all on his own because he isn’t with anyone who creates offence

Laine isn’t Ovechkin. Stylistically, he isn’t Ovechkin. He doesn’t have the same skill set as Ovechkin. Laine is getting the puck all on his own because he isn’t with anyone who creates offence
- Rexypoo

So he got all 15 power play goals without anyone passing them to him?

Laine only had 3 more even strength goals than the Legend, Brandon Tanev. Those numbers just speak "generational"! He was also 5th on the team for even strength goals.

I often wonder how many more goals and points Ehlers would have gotten if it were not for Laine stunting his development.

The only reason I bring up Ovechkin is because he is a true generational goal scorer. You have often referred to Laine as being the same.

So he got all 15 power play goals without anyone passing them to him?

Laine only had 3 more even strength goals than the Legend, Brandon Tanev. Those numbers just speak "generational"! He was also 5th on the team for even strength goals.

I often wonder how many more goals and points Ehlers would have gotten if it were not for Laine stunting his development.

The only reason I bring up Ovechkin is because he is a true generational goal scorer. You have often referred to Laine as being the same.
- TheUltimateJet

Out of curiosity how come you never point out all the extra points for 55&26 and overall success of our pp because of Laine?

Out of curiosity how come you never point out all the extra points for 55&26 and overall success of our pp because of Laine?
- Ross77

Where did the jets power play rank league wide before Laine? You know when 55&26 were still on it?

Where did the jets power play rank league wide before Laine? You know when 55&26 were still on it?
- Ross77

I don't respond to bullies.

I don't respond to bullies.
- TheUltimateJet

Ok deal, and I’ll stop responding to those who continually mis quote me

As I have said many times, when you have a teammate or co-worker that doesn’t pull his own weight, you have problems with morale in the organization.

Trade Laine and suddenly:
We no longer have a salary cap crunch. Maybe Roslovic gets a promotion. We don’t have to look for a center who is judged on how he meshes with Laine. Morale on the team improves and Maurice looks like a better coach.

Trade Laine and suddenly:
We no longer have a salary cap crunch. Maybe Roslovic gets a promotion. We don’t have to look for a center who is judged on how he meshes with Laine. Morale on the team improves and Maurice looks like a better coach.
- bennythehat

I also think that Ehlers excels without Laine. I think he would do better on the power play for the simple fact that he's better at carrying the puck into the offensive zone. I also think that Ehlers has an underrated shot and a higher hockey IQ.

Trade Laine and suddenly:
We no longer have a salary cap crunch. Maybe Roslovic gets a promotion. We don’t have to look for a center who is judged on how he meshes with Laine. Morale on the team improves and Maurice looks like a better coach.
- bennythehat

Perfect!

This morning on the 1290, they were reporting that talks between the Jets and Flyers are heating up about Trouba. The proposed trade they suggested was:

To WPG: Shayne Gostisbehere, 11th Overall pick

To PHI: Jacob Trouba

As I have said many times, when you have a teammate or co-worker that doesn’t pull his own weight, you have problems with morale in the organization.
- bennythehat

benny - this point should not go unnoticed ! ... it is very true and - my guess, only a guess cause I'm not in the dressing room - is that it probably has impacted team morale

The one and only reason I'd keep Laine (2 yr bridge contract, preferred) is that one stat - - - - only Ovechkin has more goals since Laine entered the league ... that is a POWERFUL accomplishment .... but the rest of his game - aside from some incredible passing here and there - is really lacking

Then - you have ultra serious guys like Scheifs who's continually trying to improve off-season (workouts, Brady's chef/diet, etc) and during the season ... and ya have this kid who is playing FortNite all the time who's expecting to make more than the Scheifs - that's gotta be tough on team morale ... like, WTF ?

Wanna add, too -

Look who's up in the finals - the team that knocked us out

Man, I was at game 5 on Bad Thursday with my wife ... we were having a right good time watching a helluva hockey game ... everyone around us was having a great time ... biggest bar ring-out in Winnipeg, all year, is Bad Thursday, BTW

Series tied 2-2 ... up 2-0 going into the 3rd ... then the breakdown ... especially that goal in the last 15 seconds ... that was the season - right there

Can't change the past ... but I still am haunted by it !

benny - this point should not go unnoticed ! ... it is very true and - my guess, only a guess cause I'm not in the dressing room - is that it probably has impacted team morale

The one and only reason I'd keep Laine (2 yr bridge contract, preferred) is that one stat - - - - only Ovechkin has more goals since Laine entered the league ... that is a POWERFUL accomplishment .... but the rest of his game - aside from some incredible passing here and there - is really lacking

Then - you have ultra serious guys like Scheifs who's continually trying to improve off-season (workouts, Brady's chef/diet, etc) and during the season ... and ya have this kid who is playing FortNite all the time who's expecting to make more than the Scheifs - that's gotta be tough on team morale ... like, WTF ?
- CorydonKeith

This I 100% agree with. The thing that is scary is that Laine's agent wants a long-term deal. So, if Laine's game stays stagnant or falls off, then we will have a 10 million dollar albatross of a contract to try and get out of. If Laine legitimately believes in himself and believes that he will become a point per game player who is putting up 40-50 goals annually, he would take a 2 year bridge. After the bridge, he could then ask for 13 million annually, which I think most Jets fans, me included would have no problems with.

But based on his 3 season average. Laine's is a 37g 25a 62point a year player.

This morning on the 1290, they were reporting that talks between the Jets and Flyers are heating up about Trouba. The proposed trade they suggested was:

To WPG: Shayne Gostisbehere, 11th Overall pick

To PHI: Jacob Trouba
- TheUltimateJet

I like it !

Wanna add, too -

Look who's up in the finals - the team that knocked us out

Man, I was at game 5 on Bad Thursday with my wife ... we were having a right good time watching a helluva hockey game ... everyone around us was having a great time ... biggest bar ring-out in Winnipeg, all year, is Bad Thursday, BTW

Series tied 2-2 ... up 2-0 going into the 3rd ... then the breakdown ... especially that goal in the last 15 seconds ... that was the season - right there

Can't change the past ... but I still am haunted by it !
- CorydonKeith

Wanna add, too -

Look who's up in the finals - the team that knocked us out

Man, I was at game 5 on Bad Thursday with my wife ... we were having a right good time watching a helluva hockey game ... everyone around us was having a great time ... biggest bar ring-out in Winnipeg, all year, is Bad Thursday, BTW

Series tied 2-2 ... up 2-0 going into the 3rd ... then the breakdown ... especially that goal in the last 15 seconds ... that was the season - right there

Can't change the past ... but I still am haunted by it !
- CorydonKeith

You're absolutely right, the Jets had the Blues right were they wanted them, just couldn't shut it down.
Scary, or excited thought, it could have easily been a Jets-Leafs final - the Leafs could have beaten the Bruins - easily could have gone either way.
But like they, could have, would have, should have, etc.
Next year!

This morning on the 1290, they were reporting that talks between the Jets and Flyers are heating up about Trouba. The proposed trade they suggested was:

To WPG: Shayne Gostisbehere, 11th Overall pick

To PHI: Jacob Trouba
- TheUltimateJet

Actually think that very same deal was proposed by some one on here on this site. (not me)
Not a huge fan of "The Ghost", wasn't he a healthy scratch at times last year. Sanheim and Patrick would certainly fan my interest though.

This morning on the 1290, they were reporting that talks between the Jets and Flyers are heating up about Trouba. The proposed trade they suggested was:

To WPG: Shayne Gostisbehere, 11th Overall pick

To PHI: Jacob Trouba
- TheUltimateJet

The contract is good ... getting the 11th pick is good ... LHD is good ... I'm not that familiar with his game, however

Rexy-man ... give us the numbers !!!

Actually think that very same deal was proposed by some one on here on this site. (not me)
Not a huge fan of "The Ghost", wasn't he a healthy scratch at times last year. Sanheim and Patrick would certainly fan my interest though.
- grahamzky

More enthused about the draft pick than the Ghost....but he can run a power play.

benny - this point should not go unnoticed ! ... it is very true and - my guess, only a guess cause I'm not in the dressing room - is that it probably has impacted team morale

The one and only reason I'd keep Laine (2 yr bridge contract, preferred) is that one stat - - - - only Ovechkin has more goals since Laine entered the league ... that is a POWERFUL accomplishment .... but the rest of his game - aside from some incredible passing here and there - is really lacking

Then - you have ultra serious guys like Scheifs who's continually trying to improve off-season (workouts, Brady's chef/diet, etc) and during the season ... and ya have this kid who is playing FortNite all the time who's expecting to make more than the Scheifs - that's gotta be tough on team morale ... like, WTF ?
- CorydonKeith

The thing is that an 8x10m could look genius 3 years from now. Does Chevy believe in Laine's character enough to commit to that? I guess we will see.

The thing is that an 8x10m could look genius 3 years from now. Does Chevy believe in Laine's character enough to commit to that? I guess we will see.
- 2.0

So the Jets should take on all the risk, even though they have all the leverage in contract negotiations?