Like a Peanut Butter and Tuna Sandwich.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Yummy

Yummy
- Hell_Bent

Laine

To AnH

Rackell
Ritchie
2019 1st rd

People just casually ignoring the fact that Laine was the hardest working Jet down the stretch, and all the way through the playoffs, is hilarious narrative pushing at its finest.

Scheifele and Wheeler were the two biggest drags on our forward group for the last 25 games
- Rexypoo

Ah no. That would be Bryan Little and he took your buddy Lowry with him.

this is all now being retracted on twiiter, you jumped the gun here a bit Peter, as did I commenting on this on the previous thread. Jack's former agent has joined in on twitter saying this is false!! he was un happy on 4th line but NEVER requested a trade. He only confirmed there was interest from other teams.
- Ross77

Here’s my thing with this...

I’m curious why he would come out so fast. Portzline never attributed him to saying he wanted a trade. The guy gets fired and it looks like he may have leaked it- he’a doing damage control because if he has a stench of mistrust on him he’ll never get another client.

Here’s my thing with this...

I’m curious why he would come out so fast. Portzline never attributed him to saying he wanted a trade. The guy gets fired and it looks like he may have leaked it- he’a doing damage control because if he has a stench of mistrust on him he’ll never get another client.
- Peter.Tessier

This.

Ah no. That would be Bryan Little and he took your buddy Lowry with him.
- BWJumper

This is actually also true, but in a different sense. Scheifele and Wheeler stopped trying. These two were just horrific as a pair

Here’s my thing with this...

I’m curious why he would come out so fast. Portzline never attributed him to saying he wanted a trade. The guy gets fired and it looks like he may have leaked it- he’a doing damage control because if he has a stench of mistrust on him he’ll never get another client.
- Peter.Tessier

Jumping the gun or not, you did your job bringing this out on HB to the twitter ignorant. Not everyone spends their valuable time staring at a twitter screen so I don’t think you jumped the gun.

And, it could be damage control as you suggest as no player wants a rep that leaks info. Btw, B Lemieux and Rosie are best buds so that is most likely one reason he switched reps. Portzline is po’d no doubt.

Teams like the Leafs. Not going to happen. Time for a major shake up. Wheeler rules with an iron fist. Not going to sit well with the immature crowd in the room.

Never hear Connor or Ehler's complaining.

Trade Laine, Trouba, Roslovic.

Trouba to Detroit. Michael Rasmussen and a couple 2nds and Daley

Laine to Kings for Martinez and Toffoli

Roslovic to someone for pick or defensive prospect.

Connor Schief Wheeler
Ehlers Rasmussen Toffoli
Perrault Lowry Veselianen
Copp Little TAnev

Morrissey Buff
Niku Martinez
Chariot Daley

Love it. Don't now if the numbers fit though. Be close.

Teams like the Leafs. Not going to happen. Time for a major shake up. Wheeler rules with an iron fist. Not going to sit well with the immature crowd in the room.

Never hear Connor or Ehler's complaining.

Trade Laine, Trouba, Roslovic.

Trouba to Detroit. Michael Rasmussen and a couple 2nds and Daley

Laine to Kings for Martinez and Toffoli

Roslovic to someone for pick or defensive prospect.

Connor Schief Wheeler
Ehlers Rasmussen Toffoli
Perrault Lowry Veselianen
Copp Little TAnev

Morrissey Buff
Niku Martinez
Chariot Daley

Love it. Don't now if the numbers fit though. Be close.
- manvanfan

I don’t know what the process of account deletion looks like on hockeybuzz, but... well, you know what I’m saying

I don’t know what the process of account deletion looks like on hockeybuzz, but... well, you know what I’m saying
- Rexypoo

Obviously you don't, otherwise you could have saved us all from you a long time ago.

Roslovic should get a fair chance to play on the 2nd line with Laine and Ehlers. If Little is playing again with Laine it will be a wasted year as they have no chemistry together. Lowrys line gets way too much ice time and Maurice's philosophy of dump and chase hinders the Jets fast and skilled players. Maurice loves his slow old slugs and its time to move on from him before he chases away all the teams good young players.

Obviously you don't, otherwise you could have saved us all from you a long time ago.
- manvanfan

I’d love to trade Trouba for forward Logan Stanley, not a 1st rounder, and a bad dman on a bad deal.

I’d also love to trade Laine for a not as good as him winger closer to the end of his prime than Laine is to the end of his development, and an aging dman on another not great contract

Roslovic should get a fair chance to play on the 2nd line with Laine and Ehlers. If Little is playing again with Laine it will be a wasted year as they have no chemistry together. Lowrys line gets way too much ice time and Maurice's philosophy of dump and chase hinders the Jets fast and skilled players. Maurice loves his slow old slugs and its time to move on from him before he chases away all the teams good young players.
- islansjet

Roslovic will flounder with those two as his wingers. Laine should be with Scheifele, and Ehlers should run a line alone

Roslovic should get a fair chance to play on the 2nd line with Laine and Ehlers. If Little is playing again with Laine it will be a wasted year as they have no chemistry together. Lowrys line gets way too much ice time and Maurice's philosophy of dump and chase hinders the Jets fast and skilled players. Maurice loves his slow old slugs and its time to move on from him before he chases away all the teams good young players.
- islansjet

I don't buy into the 'maurice's system sucks' narrative. The system worked fine in 17/18. Zone entries will always be a mix of dump and chase along with carrying it in as not all games look the same. It depends what the other team gives you for the entry.

The room personnel issues are something a veteran coach should excel at and clearly there was a failure in this respect.

I don't buy into the 'maurice's system sucks' narrative. The system worked fine in 17/18. Zone entries will always be a mix of dump and chase along with carrying it in as not all games look the same. It depends what the other team gives you for the entry.

The room personnel issues are something a veteran coach should excel at and clearly there was a failure in this respect.
- 2.0

So what do you think the "room personnel issues" were? So many rumours and theories out there. What is your "guess?"

Roslovic should get a fair chance to play on the 2nd line with Laine and Ehlers. If Little is playing again with Laine it will be a wasted year as they have no chemistry together. Lowrys line gets way too much ice time and Maurice's philosophy of dump and chase hinders the Jets fast and skilled players. Maurice loves his slow old slugs and its time to move on from him before he chases away all the teams good young players.
- islansjet

Herein lies a major problem. Laine is unable to elevate his line mates. I used to think that Little was the cause of Laine's problems. The more I think about it and look at stats of players playing with Laine, none seem to get better with him.

Roslovic will flounder with those two as his wingers. Laine should be with Scheifele, and Ehlers should run a line alone
- Rexypoo

This proves that even you agree with me that Laine is incapable of creating his own offense. Another problem I noted about Laine.

Can’t trade you Mitch Yzerman UJ, he’s untouchable.

Will be named captain after the contract is signed.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Mr. Ate Me, you posted that Laine has the potential to be "generational". I have not heard that narrative about Marner.

Also, as one of my friend's said to me yesterday. All RFA's should wait until Laine signs his contract. If Laine seriously get 10, then Marner my friend should be asking for 16, Rantanen should be getting 16 and even our own Kyle Connor should be getting 12.

Laine's agent is smart, he knows that Laine should sign long-term as he will only be a 30 goal 20 assist guy, like our old friend Evander Kane. Laine should sign a bridge and show everyone that he is generational, not just say it!

This proves that even you agree with me that Laine is incapable of creating his own offense. Another problem I noted about Laine.
- TheUltimateJet

Laine spent all of last season creating 100% of his lines offence. The heat map is just a giant red circle on the right. There is a very important difference between thinking he can’t do it alone, and being smart enough to make sure he doesn’t have to.

When you have the best shooter in the world, the idea is to get the puck on his stick as often as possible. We’ve done the opposite. Put him with Scheifele and Perreault, then hold on to your butts.

Herein lies a major problem. Laine is unable to elevate his line mates. I used to think that Little was the cause of Laine's problems. The more I think about it and look at stats of players playing with Laine, none seem to get better with him.
- TheUltimateJet

NO KIDDING

So what do you think the "room personnel issues" were? So many rumours and theories out there. What is your "guess?"
- grahamzky

A lot of proud and competitive people who believe in their ability to play and be a top contributor. None are used to sitting, none are used to losing. Compounded by too much youth with less life experience.

I don't believe that problems add up - they multiply... ie. Laine doesn't move his feet x Trouba doesn't want to be in Wpg x i haven't done anything wrong and poor me x Helly was better last year x Little is not Stasny x I miss Hendrickson x etc. The end of the equation = poop show.

Much of it was the kind of problems that winning would have alleviated.

Laine spent all of last season creating 100% of his lines offence. The heat map is just a giant red circle on the right. There is a very important difference between thinking he can’t do it alone, and being smart enough to make sure he doesn’t have to.

When you have the best shooter in the world, the idea is to get the puck on his stick as often as possible. We’ve done the opposite. Put him with Scheifele and Perreault, then hold on to your butts.
- Rexypoo

The amount of work those players have to put in to get him the puck is exhausting. I am unsure if you remember Ovechkin at 20. The man was bouncing pucks of the boards, scoring on his back, setting up line mates for goals and that's when goalies equipment was progressively getting bigger.

This year when goalie equipment got smaller so did Laine's goal totals. His "heat map" only represents shots he took. It does not take into consideration how he got the puck to take those shots.

A lot of proud and competitive people who believe in their ability to play and be a top contributor. None are used to sitting, none are used to losing. Compounded by too much youth with less life experience.

I don't believe that problems add up - they multiply... ie. Laine doesn't move his feet x Trouba doesn't want to be in Wpg x i haven't done anything wrong and poor me x Helly was better last year x Little is not Stasny x I miss Hendrickson x etc. The end of the equation = poop show.

Much of it was the kind of problems that winning would have alleviated.
- 2.0

Okay good, seemingly not major problems that can't be fixed. Like you say, winning would alleviate most problems.
I've wondered if it was partly due to salary issues, it must be difficult to bust your butt for $2-$6M and see a guy not fully engaged said to be wanting $10M? But the guys are pros, so that stuff is not supposed to happen - but still wonder if it does?

Or one gets the feeling at times that Buff doesn't get along with Myers/Trouba. They always play better it seems when he is out. But that's just a gut feeling on my part - nothing to back that thought up - and not sure how much a factor that would be if true? Heard it said on radio that Buff and Wheeler are "polar opposites" away from the ice, might that hurt? To answer my own question, it didn't seem to hurt the year before.

Win a few games and we'll probably be fine when all is said and done.

Honest question, whats the consesus on Laine, meaning will team trade him or sign him? If traded, Jets will have the $$$ to resign guys plus get good assets back.

Also, besides the common names being mentioned in trade rumors, is there a possibility of maybe a player/players getting traded away that may be a surprise move? Ex Ehlers? Thx