Kevin Hayes rights traded to PHI for a 2019 5th rounder.

Expect him to sign in Philly. Hayes will fit in nicely there reunited with Coach AV.
- Tyler Cameron

Do you have any juicy rumors for us? It’s been awfully quiet...

Kevin Hayes rights traded to PHI for a 2019 5th rounder.

Expect him to sign in Philly. Hayes will fit in nicely there reunited with Coach AV.
- Tyler Cameron

It’s only a fifth rounder, but Hayes is a UFA - Flyers bought about 30 days of rights.

Means something, I guess.

I didn't really want to see him in Chicago
- paulr

Me either. Maybe Philly will trade us Couts. Couturier for Perlini and Dahlstrom (red font).

It’s only a fifth rounder, but Hayes is a UFA - Flyers bought about 30 days of rights.

Means something, I guess.
- StLBravesFan

It may have happened 6 or 7 years too late but thank God someone finally got something for the "rights to Hayes".

It may have happened 6 or 7 years too late but thank God someone finally got something for the "rights to Hayes".
- HawkintheD

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Tyler, Wiz, others-

Just curious-if Turcotte and Byram were one year older, where do you think they would have gone in last years draft?
- RaleighHawk

Wiz would be better to respond to this but I will take a stab.

J.D. Burke of Elite Prospects said that Byram would have been right behind Dahlin and Quinn Hughes.

He put him in the same category as Bouchard, Dobson, Ty Smith (didn't mention Adam Boqvist).

Alex Turcotte is a little harder for me to gauge, especially because he's been everywhere from 3rd to 8th in my brain so far where he fits in this year's draft.

My feeling is that he'd be behind Kotkaniemi (3) and Hayton (5) but before Ty Dellandrea (13).

Speaking of Caufield, do you think he'd be a top 10 pick if ADB hasn't been so successful?
- tvetter

Yes he is 7 to 9 but hawks already have dcat dont Caulfield i think it comes down to 3 players Cozens bowen and turcotte hawks are going to get a very good player. I still want a center but if hawks choose bowen that ok to.

Me either. Maybe Philly will trade us Couts. Couturier for Perlini and Dahlstrom (red font).
- HawkintheD

What about laughton if philly signs hayes?

Justin seeing a lot of teams are up against the cap and i have mention before what a trade look like for a player like Lowery from Winnipeg?
- Scott1977

Hey Scott - not sure. Not sure if the Hawks would target Lowry unless they see him as a true 3rd line centre. To date, he's been a 4th liner (never more than 29 points) and I think Bowman is aiming higher to be honest.

If the Hawks were to acquire Lowry, there would be players with little salary going back... like Hayden or Sikura.

What about laughton if philly signs hayes?
- Scott1977

I love Laughton. I golfed with him a few years back. He's a good dude.

Word is he will be resigned and will be PHI's 4th line centre.

Down the middle the Flyers will have: Couturier, Hayes, Patrick, Laughton

Do you have any juicy rumors for us? It’s been awfully quiet...
- Bjm84

I don't BJM.

I have heard a few things here and there, but nothing substantial and nothing that I can verify enough to share.

Hoping to pull some rumours out of a couple contacts in the next couple of weeks.

It’s only a fifth rounder, but Hayes is a UFA - Flyers bought about 30 days of rights.

Means something, I guess.
- StLBravesFan

They apparently were talking contract before the deal + heard whispers they PHI/Hayes are talking about a multi-year $6M(ish) AAV deal.

This tweet makes me think PHI is confident:

BREAKING: We have acquired forward @KevinPHayes12 from Winnipeg in exchange for a fifth-round pick in the 2019 NHL Draft. https://t.co/LhPG1pvcmP

— Philadelphia Flyers (@NHLFlyers) June 4, 2019

Yes he is 7 to 9 but hawks already have dcat dont Caulfield i think it comes down to 3 players Cozens bowen and turcotte hawks are going to get a very good player. I still want a center but if hawks choose bowen that ok to.
- Scott1977

I know (think) he'll be a top ten pick. My question was, given that ADB wasn't even a first round pick, would he be top ten if ADB wasn't doing so well? ADB had a great Jr career, and put up huge numbers, but that wasn't enough for GMs to overlook his size (or lack thereof). Is ADB the reason GMs are not concerned with Caufield's size?

Blackhawks #3
AA
Gustafsson

To EDM for

Nugent-Hopkins
EDM #8

EDM can then take Byram to shore up their D and Hawks can take a forward at #8.
- scottak

Trade proposals for a #3 pick are always interesting to me because it hasn't happened in so long so it's hard to gauge realistic value. We can guesstimate with the top 10 picks but it's just not going to be a perfect comp.

But for discussion take: top 10 picks have are usually either been just a combination of picks or specifically for a specific (often seen as elite) player. Below are the top 10 pick trades since 2005 (so in the modern cap era) for reference.

Per your proposal, there hasn't been a trade involving two vet player being swapped as well as a top pick. The only time an established player is included it's the return for the high draft pick (plus more). Doesn't mean it couldn't happen, just that historically it's not be the way it goes.

And do any of the trades really work out for the team that traded away the top 10 pick? Like who would you rather have, Couture or Lars Eller? At the time, they were considered pretty close in value, and while Eller is def a useful player, Couture is just obvs better. A lot of them are mostly who cares players for who cares players outside of a few, honestly.

Ultimately, it makes me leery of trading down more than maybe 2 spots. Anything more than that and you risk getting like the 3rd player on the Hawks board vs the 1st (because there's no way to guarantee other teams will pick how they think/hope they will for that many spots). This cluster of kids 3-8 might seem close now but is it worth the risk of maybe not getting the absolute first choice is maybe too high if they were to trade down more than 2 or so spot imo.

Here is are the trades:

2005:
#8 (Devin Setoguchi) for #12 (Marc Staal) + #49 (Chad Denny) + #207 (Myles Stoesz)

2007:
#9 (Logal Couture) for #13 (Lars Eller) + #44 (Aaron Palushai) + #87 (Ian Schultz)

2008:
#5 (Luke Schenn) for #7 (Colin Wilson) + #68 (Shawn Lalonde) + #37 (Mat Clark)
#7 (Colin Wilson) for #9 (Josh Bailey) + #40 (Aaron Ness)

2011:
Jeff Carter for #8 (Couturier) + #68 (Cousins) + Voracek

2012:
Jordan Staal for #8 (Pouliot) + Sutter + Dumoulin

2013:
Schneider #9

2017:
Derek Stepan + Antti Raanta for #7 (Lias Andersson) + Anthony Deangelo

Not often to Trade deadline picks make an impact on the playoffs

Coyle this year - has!!

I don't BJM.

I have heard a few things here and there, but nothing substantial and nothing that I can verify enough to share.

Hoping to pull some rumours out of a couple contacts in the next couple of weeks.
- Tyler Cameron

Weeks?

I know (think) he'll be a top ten pick. My question was, given that ADB wasn't even a first round pick, would he be top ten if ADB wasn't doing so well? ADB had a great Jr career, and put up huge numbers, but that wasn't enough for GMs to overlook his size (or lack thereof). Is ADB the reason GMs are not concerned with Caufield's size?
- tvetter

From heard he projected to be a top 10 pick in his draft year but his size scared a lot teams off that's why he dropped to 2nd round. So some gm's probably didn't think he make it the nhl so good for the hawks.

Kevin Hayes rights traded to PHI for a 2019 5th rounder.

Expect him to sign in Philly. Hayes will fit in nicely there reunited with Coach AV.
- Tyler Cameron

I’m just happy he won’t be signing in Chicago.

Caufield
- tvetter

Somebody has been paying attention.

Weeks?
- gifman

Yep. As the draft nears... I should be able to track down some good stuff.

I’m just happy he won’t be signing in Chicago.
- DarthKane

Agreed.

I will say though that if the Hawks were truly sniffing around Hayes, I dont see much else out their in his calibre for centres on the open market.

A trade for a C would make more sense to me (ie. In the Eakin, Kadri, etc. range).

Agreed.

I will say though that if the Hawks were truly sniffing around Hayes, I dont see much else out their in his calibre for centres on the open market.

A trade for a C would make more sense to me (ie. In the Eakin, Kadri, etc. range).
- Tyler Cameron

Agreed. Hopefully Stan can take advantage of somebody else’s cap misfortune for a change.

Can Hawks find a Ryan O’Reily in Free Agency?

I'm in agreement with everyone who said it previously. Thank Christ we didn't get Hayes.

I'm having second thoughts on trading Gustafsson. Up until now I've been in favor of trading him from the perspective that he isn't going to be part of the long term plan so we may as well sell high on him now and get what we can for him. A 60 point d-man with a $1.2M AAV is a pretty nice asset, however, because he has only 1 year remaining on that attractive contract he's probably not going to return a lot in a trade.

So then the decision point is - will the return on the trade outweigh the value he would bring to the 2019/20 Hawks even if they don't re-sign him and he walks away a UFA after 2019/20.

The more I think about it the more I come back to the one thing we can kind of hang our hat on in 2018/19 which was the improvement on the PP and a large part of that improvement was Gustafsson's play. I think the plan moving forward is for Boqvist to be that guy on the PP and maybe Byram too if Stan selects him - but neither of those guys are ready for that at the beginning of the season even if they make the team - you can't just throw them on the first PP unit when they're still green.

It would be different if Gus would bring back a 1st round pick in a trade but I think that's unlikely with him having only 1 year left - so I've come around to thinking the Hawks should use him as a mercenary and if he's too expensive to re-sign after the 2019/20 season - so be it. At least he would be there in 2019/20 to hopefully build upon the success of the PP.