This does not fill me with confidence in Bowman.

Crawford would be an awful coach after firing Colliton.

Then again he did help Ottawa to the worst record in the league this past season.
- hereismike1

I'm rather neutral when it comes to Crawford as a coach. Could be that they would never hire him as a head coach. Maybe he is just going to get one area of responsibility he is considered strong with or had a good plan for. I think he is more of an offense first type of coach over defense. Maybe he will be the one in charge of the powerplay?

I was thinking the exact same thing.....
- SteveRain

Wash, rinse, repeat

Repeat

Repeat

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Positive.

In Bertuzzi's defense, during the court trial, he basically said he was just executing what the coach was telling him to do.

Specifically hit him from behind? Not sure, but 'get him' one way or another, it was made clear that that had to be done however it got done.
- hereismike1

But isn't that the issue? You state you believe in the hockey code but that "payback" should not be done in a cowardly sneak attack from behind - and I agree with that. But how can you be certain Crawford told Bertuzzi that it should be an attack from behind? If you're going to draw the distinction between an honorable hockey code type payback and a dishonorable cowardly sneak attack - shouldn't you know with 100% certainty that Crawford ordered the cowardly sneak attack in order to hold it against him? In other words it seems you would not hold it against Crawford if Bertuzzi had attacked him face to face - then you must require 100% certainty that Crawford is guilty of what you accuse him of. Are you 100% certain?

But isn't that the issue? You state you believe in the hockey code but that "payback" should not be done in a cowardly sneak attack from behind - and I agree with that. But how can you be certain Crawford told Bertuzzi that it should be an attack from behind? If you're going to draw the distinction between an honorable hockey code type payback and a dishonorable cowardly sneak attack - shouldn't you know with 100% certainty that Crawford ordered the cowardly sneak attack in order to hold it against him? In other words it seems you would not hold it against Crawford if Bertuzzi had attacked him face to face - then you must require 100% certainty that Crawford is guilty of what you accuse him of. Are you 100% certain?
- EbonyRaptor

Yes I am 100% certain that Crawford presided over and orchestrated by meetings in the locker room before the game the worst cheap shot blind side premeditated attack that the NHL has seen in our era. It ended a guy's career on the spot and took him years to recover enough just to be pain free sitting down doing nothing.

When you are the captain of the ship the buck stops at your desk.

But isn't that the issue? You state you believe in the hockey code but that "payback" should not be done in a cowardly sneak attack from behind - and I agree with that. But how can you be certain Crawford told Bertuzzi that it should be an attack from behind? If you're going to draw the distinction between an honorable hockey code type payback and a dishonorable cowardly sneak attack - shouldn't you know with 100% certainty that Crawford ordered the cowardly sneak attack in order to hold it against him? In other words it seems you would not hold it against Crawford if Bertuzzi had attacked him face to face - then you must require 100% certainty that Crawford is guilty of what you accuse him of. Are you 100% certain?
- EbonyRaptor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV_UWS8CP1o

The hit broke 3 vertebrae in Moore's neck. The whole incident is indefensible on every level.

Yes I am 100% certain that Crawford presided over and orchestrated by meetings in the locker room before the game the worst cheap shot blind side premeditated attack that the NHL has seen in our era. It ended a guy's career on the spot and took him years to recover enough just to be pain free sitting down doing nothing.

When you are the captain of the ship the buck stops at your desk.
- hereismike1

So then when you said "Specifically hit him from behind? Not sure" - you really meant to say "Specifically hit him from behind? 100% sure".

I only vaguely recall the incident itself, although news of the possible precedent setting legal process was difficult to avoid. I don't recall anything regarding Steve Moore - whether his hit on Naslund was an "oops - one off" or if he had some history with head hunting or cheap shot plays. Therefore I don't know if he was really a victim or if he was the type of player that had he not had his career ended would have gone on to hurt other players.

I'm sure what I'm about to say will rankle some sensibilities of some of my fellow posters here, but I have very little patience or compassion for repeat offenders where 2nd chances become 3rd chances and then 4th chances and on and on so I have no problem ending the career of a Raffi Torres type player before he has the chance to end the careers of other players. If Moore wouldn't have been that type of player - then I'm sorry for what happened to him. But if he was a cheap shot dirty player then I'm glad he had his career ended.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV_UWS8CP1o

The hit broke 3 vertebrae in Moore's neck. The whole incident is indefensible on every level.
- hereismike1

I'm in no way defending what Bertuzzi did - it was a terrible dirty play and I would have had no issue with him receiving a permanent ban from the NHL. My sole purpose for having this dialogue is to determine, as best we can, as to whether or not Crawford specifically ordered Bertuzzi to do what he did versus wanting Moore to receive "justified" payback. Did Crawford order that Moore should have his career ended?

The Chicago Blackhawks announce the hiring of their next Head Coach:

https://chicago.suntimes....ach-hired-jeremy-colliton

Finally, an adult in the room. Maybe they do have a chance next season!

From the Sun-Times article:

When Colliton broke into the NHL as a rookie in 2005-06, Crawford was already in his 11th year as a head coach, having already steered his teams to the playoffs in nine of his first 10.

Now, Colliton is the youngest coach in the league, and Crawford will be by his side starting this fall. The Blackhawks hired the 58-year-old Crawford, who most recently spent three seasons on the Senators’ staff, as an assistant coach Tuesday.

The Ontario native brings a much-needed large dose of experience to Colliton’s staff, which otherwise consists of two 38-year-olds in Sheldon Brookbank and Tomas Mitell — the latter of whom was hired straight out of Sweden two weeks ago.

Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Hallelujah!

Sorry, no way.

You can't bring up Marc Crawford without rehashing his role in the Steve Moore incident.

I have no respect for the man as a hockey coach and especially as a human being.
- hereismike1

Crawford has had several roles since that incident. We shouldn't judge a guy for one event, especially when his role in said event has not been clearly defined.

Don't get me wrong, I like almost all of what you bring to this site. But I have to digress here.

Crawford totally lost my respect as a human when he sactioned Todd Bertuzzi's attack on Steve Moore of the Colorado Avalanche when he was coaching the Canucks. Moore had hit Naslund, Vancouver's leading scorer, the previous time they met and several of the Canucks players said they were told they were going to 'get' Moore next game.

Bertuzzi cowardly skated up to him from behind and walloped Moore, a very promising rookie center, in the back of the head, knocking him out and sending him hitting the ice head first with the front of his head. His injuries ended his career. He eventually reached an out of court settlement with Bertuzzi but Crawford was named in the lawsuit as well.

I went round and round with Matthew Barnaby on Twitter about this. In my opinion, Crawford has no right to be making money in the NHL. Period.

And it sickens me as a Blackhawks fan that my favorite team that I have followed for basically my whole life hired a guy I absolutely hate to be a coach.
- hereismike1

That's your problem right there!

This does not fill me with confidence in Bowman.

Crawford would be an awful coach after firing Colliton.

Then again he did help Ottawa to the worst record in the league this past season.
- hereismike1

Jesus Christ himself couldn't win with that Ottawa roster. I think he was 7-10, which is quite good, considering the roster.

I'm in no way defending what Bertuzzi did - it was a terrible dirty play and I would have had no issue with him receiving a permanent ban from the NHL. My sole purpose for having this dialogue is to determine, as best we can, as to whether or not Crawford specifically ordered Bertuzzi to do what he did versus wanting Moore to receive "justified" payback. Did Crawford order that Moore should have his career ended?
- EbonyRaptor

https://www.theglobeandma...-crawford/article4085431/

Kevin Hayes is not top 6 material on a good team.
- Ogilthorpe2

Did he skate top 6 in Winnipeg?

They made the playoffs, so I would categorize them as a "good team"

I can't recall what line he was on......but if he was looking at Hayes for bottom 6 minutes and going to pay him 6 million+.....that's just asinine.

Lets pay Saad/Hayes 12+ million to go kill penalties and play magnificent 200 ft games.....

Wash, rinse, repeat

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- Ogilthorpe2

Did I miss something...…

The hawks fired Savard and replaced him with a PROVEN NHL coach.

Has Crawford NOT been a NHL head coach before? Is jC far from experience like.....Savard...…..

Crawford has had several roles since that incident. We shouldn't judge a guy for one event, especially when his role in said event has not been clearly defined.
- DarthKane

Agreed.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/todd-bertuzzi-drops-third-party-lawsuit-against-marc-crawford/article4085431/
- walleyeb1

If you recall after his one year ban, Bertuzzi came back and played a few years, making pretty good coin. Another aspect of this that makes me sick.

But I also believe part of him dropping the lawsuit against Crawford was that he wanted to play again after the one year ban. It was all very murky and there were certainly intimations that Crawford had specifically ordered the hit to happen.

At any rate there was blood on everyone's hands. But hey, the Hawks got a coach with experience now. Whoo-hoo.

[quote=SteveRain]I can you tell with 100% fact.....

4. Bowman SR was the guy who got Savard fired. He watched his training camp and realized he wasn't the guy to lead them. They had Q after his firing from Colorado and subsequent DUI


I find it hard to believe that Tallon would relieve Savard of his duties without intervention from Bowman Sr. It is for that reason that the subsequent moves to me (Tallon out, Stanbo in) are the lesser evil than if the team had continued under Savard. DS was a great Blackhawk player that never should have been put in a position to lead that team. That was the way of the Bill Wirtz/Bob Pulford Blackhawks, not the Rocky Wirts team. I'll take that trade-off and 3 Stanley Cups all day, every day.

[quote=SteveRain]I can you tell with 100% fact.....

4. Bowman SR was the guy who got Savard fired. He watched his training camp and realized he wasn't the guy to lead them. They had Q after his firing from Colorado and subsequent DUI


I find it hard to believe that Tallon would relieve Savard of his duties without intervention from Bowman Sr. It is for that reason that the subsequent moves to me (Tallon out, Stanbo in) are the lesser evil than if the team had continued under Savard. DS was a great Blackhawk player that never should have been put in a position to lead that team. That was the way of the Bill Wirtz/Bob Pulford Blackhawks, not the Rocky Wirts team. I'll take that trade-off and 3 Stanley Cups all day, every day.
- jrsamu

???

Bowman SR pushed the button to get Savard fired and DT did the firing.

???

Bowman SR pushed the button to get Savard fired and DT did the firing.
- SteveRain

That has been common knowledge for quite a while now....

If you recall after his one year ban, Bertuzzi came back and played a few years, making pretty good coin. Another aspect of this that makes me sick.

But I also believe part of him dropping the lawsuit against Crawford was that he wanted to play again after the one year ban. It was all very murky and there were certainly intimations that Crawford had specifically ordered the hit to happen.

At any rate there was blood on everyone's hands. But hey, the Hawks got a coach with experience now. Whoo-hoo.
- hereismike1

Im guessing you know Moore personally based on your passionate posts.

That has been common knowledge for quite a while now....
- hereismike1

NO kidding, but I was confused by the reply to the post.

???

Bowman SR pushed the button to get Savard fired and DT did the firing.
- SteveRain

Just saying that Tallon would not have pulled that trigger without Bowman Sr.'s influence. If Scotty wasn't there, Savard would not have been let go IMO. That is why personally I'd very glad that Dale was not kept on, despite his contributions to the roster that won the Cup.

Im guessing you know Moore personally based on your passionate posts.
- SteveRain

Not at all. My brother moved to Colorado the year before so I followed the Avs very closely for those few seasons. And this incident in great detail.

Moore wasn't at all a Torres type player. He was a s&^* disturber in the Burish/Shaw vein, with a little more hitting aggression. He had some skill too. Would have had a nice long career as a really really good 3rd line center.