I was hoping I don't always have to spoon-feed things on here. You clearly know what I was implying.
- Rinosaur

Nope. You want promising talent for the minimum pay. Since that is a laughable notion alone, I cannot fathom your mindset or logic and will take you at face value.

Nope. You want promising talent for the minimum pay. Since that is a laughable notion alone, I cannot fathom your mindset or logic and will take you at face value.
- Guile

You clearly are having reading issues today. I never suggested minimum pay if you actually go back to read. I'm just stating that $2M is too much.

You clearly are having reading issues today. I never suggested minimum pay if you actually go back to read. I'm just stating that $2M is too much.
- Rinosaur

Actually it sounds like you’re saying anything above $1.5MM is too much and you haven’t exactly done a stellar job on providing feedback as to why other than saying “he doesn’t transition well” or some garbage

Actually it sounds like you’re saying anything above $1.5MM is too much and you haven’t exactly done a stellar job on providing feedback as to why other than saying “he doesn’t transition well” or some garbage
- WSCTeton17

Pettersson has played one full season in the NHL. I don't think that's enough time to see if he's worth $2M. I think a two-way bridge deal at around $1.25 to $1.5M is more than fair for a player of his experience. That's all.

And also, you're arguing something different than Guile, but I know you like to pile on because you're a moron.

You all are acting like I'm saying they should pay him $700K. All of you need to chill the (frank) out.

Hahahah you guys all crack me up. Never change.

I want to keep Pett over JJ, Gud, Rikk and Rud and I hope Maatta stays.

Seem to remember something about GMJR laughing at the notion of ever trading Olli in an interview a year-ish or so ago ...said no way he would. It's possible I dreamt it 🤔

Pettersson has played one full season in the NHL. I don't think that's enough time to see if he's worth $2M. I think a two-way bridge deal at around $1.25 to $1.5M is more than fair for a player of his experience. That's all.

And also, you're arguing something different than Guile, but I know you like to pile on because you're a moron.

You all are acting like I'm saying they should pay him $700K. All of you need to chill the (frank) out.
- Rinosaur

You’re legit like the only person here who doesn’t backup his arguments like when Tojo just caught you on 3rd pairing TOI. Let me ask you, how many guys in the league have bridge deals that are over $1MM at the NHL level? I honestly can’t think of ANY. Why? Because it doesn’t make any sense lol

https://twitter.com/joshy.../1135336092847226887?s=21

Who’s got the goods?

https://twitter.com/joshyohe_pgh/status/1135336092847226887?s=21

Who’s got the goods?
- WSCTeton17

Not much too it. He eliminated 2/3 of the teams out of competition or rebuild.

Put all the western playoff teams as maybe, but even said some don't have a fit (ex. Winnipeg with Laine playing that PP spot.) Calgary and Nashville make some sense to me from here.

https://twitter.com/joshyohe_pgh/status/1135336092847226887?s=21

Who’s got the goods?
- WSCTeton17

Top 5 were:
Fla- if they miss on Panarin

Mon- fits their need for scoring to get back in the playoffs

Min- because they almost did (which shows how few team's may overtake them).

Vegas- Phil loves Vegas and they have lots of assets and a bad PP (smart idea by Yohe I haven't seen much)

Arizona- because it sounds like where Phil wants to go.

Like I said last post, no actual info, just Yohe speculation.

Hahahah you guys all crack me up. Never change.

I want to keep Pett over JJ, Gud, Rikk and Rud and I hope Maatta stays.

Seem to remember something about GMJR laughing at the notion of ever trading Olli in an interview a year-ish or so ago ...said no way he would. It's possible I dreamt it 🤔
- MattStrat

I think they want to keep Maatta, but they still have a cap crunch and his name is out there. Gotta feel getting scratched in the playoffs makes him at least considered, and he'd be much easier to move than say Hornqvist.

I think they want to keep Maatta, but they still have a cap crunch and his name is out there. Gotta feel getting scratched in the playoffs makes him at least considered, and he'd be much easier to move than say Hornqvist.
- Tojo.

He wasn't the first scratch though and he had just returned from a long lay off. I've read things about his hand being bad when the playoffs started and that's the main reason he was scratched. Obviously I have no way to verify if that's true but if the other rumors that GMJR is trying to package JJ with Phil are true then it puts more merit in the Olli/hand/playoff scratch rumor.

When you have 3 defensemen making a very similar amount (JJ/3.25 mill, Gud 4.0 mill and Olli 4.08 mill) and Olli is the one to go then its a tough pill to swallow...for me anyways.

Pettersson has played one full season in the NHL. I don't think that's enough time to see if he's worth $2M. I think a two-way bridge deal at around $1.25 to $1.5M is more than fair for a player of his experience. That's all.

And also, you're arguing something different than Guile, but I know you like to pile on because you're a moron.

You all are acting like I'm saying they should pay him $700K. All of you need to chill the (frank) out.
- Rinosaur

Oleksiak was given 2 Mil last offseason when we didn’t have to. How’d that work out?

Not overpaying a 3rd Pair ceiling guy seems like solid asset management to me.

Oleksiak was given 2 Mil last offseason when we didn’t have to. How’d that work out?

Not overpaying a 3rd Pair ceiling guy seems like solid asset management to me.
- Za Warudo

What are you basing that on after a pretty solid rookie season?

He looked pretty good on the top pair when given the opportunity...he also propped up JJ and Gud when paired with them.

Top 5 were:
Fla- if they miss on Panarin

Mon- fits their need for scoring to get back in the playoffs

Min- because they almost did (which shows how few team's may overtake them).

Vegas- Phil loves Vegas and they have lots of assets and a bad PP (smart idea by Yohe I haven't seen much)

Arizona- because it sounds like where Phil wants to go.

Like I said last post, no actual info, just Yohe speculation.
- Tojo.

For AZ is Christian Dvorak any good? Young put up 15 goals 2x tied up for a while at 4.5. Could have upside with Malkin? If they take Kessel and JJ and send that dude + Picks and Prospects....Give the Pens some cap to shop too.

What are you basing that on after a pretty solid rookie season?

He looked pretty good on the top pair when given the opportunity...he also propped up JJ and Gud when paired with them.
- MattStrat

I was just looking at some WOWY stats, and Pettersson was the opposite of JJ. Outside of a few guys who played mostly with Letang (Crosby and Guentzel went slightly down, McCann moreso) the forwards saw a significant increase in possession when on the ice with Pettersson. Malkin and Kessel in particular saw every stat go up more than 10%.

I agree, to me, that's not a guy to peg as a third pair guy after one year. Especially since he was actually close to Maatta and JJ in minutes anyways (18 v 18.5 and 19.25 respectively). The difference with Pettersson and Oleksiak was Oleksiak had a history of failure that got ignored because he was a big guy that could skate. Pettersson so far has only succeeded.

He wasn't the first scratch though and he had just returned from a long lay off. I've read things about his hand being bad when the playoffs started and that's the main reason he was scratched. Obviously I have no way to verify if that's true but if the other rumors that GMJR is trying to package JJ with Phil are true then it puts more merit in the Olli/hand/playoff scratch rumor.

When you have 3 defensemen making a very similar amount (JJ/3.25 mill, Gud 4.0 mill and Olli 4.08 mill) and Olli is the one to go then its a tough pill to swallow...for me anyways.
- MattStrat

JJ should be the one to go, but it's hard to see his salary moved in a salary dump.

Gudbranson and Maatta are both guys that can probably be replaced cheaper. I can go either way on them. Maatta is blah, he's ok and generally does his job, but he doesn't elevate those around him and will always get beat by speed. Gudbranson has been historically bad, yet with the Pens was actually good? Safe play is to move on, but I admit to being curious if he can do it again.

The cap dump could also be a forward like Rust.

For AZ is Christian Dvorak any good? Young put up 15 goals 2x tied up for a while at 4.5. Could have upside with Malkin? If they take Kessel and JJ and send that dude + Picks and Prospects....Give the Pens some cap to shop too.
- sammy87

I really enjoyed watching Dvorak this season. He had a slow start coming off injury and Tocchet wasn’t giving him PP time or anything but after maybe 6-8 games he was actually looking really solid. Just too many injuries in the desert this year for anyone to have good numbers but there’s a number of good players. He’s got some size and plays center and wing so he probably would be the likely forward coming back

I was just looking at some WOWY stats, and Pettersson was the opposite of JJ. Outside of a few guys who played mostly with Letang (Crosby and Guentzel went slightly down, McCann moreso) the forwards saw a significant increase in possession when on the ice with Pettersson. Malkin and Kessel in particular saw every stat go up more than 10%.

I agree, to me, that's not a guy to peg as a third pair guy after one year. Especially since he was actually close to Maatta and JJ in minutes anyways (18 v 18.5 and 19.25 respectively). The difference with Pettersson and Oleksiak was Oleksiak had a history of failure that got ignored because he was a big guy that could skate. Pettersson so far has only succeeded.
- Tojo.

So wait, if he wants Oleksiak money you WOULDN’T trade him? But he’s only played one very good season! How dare you

At this point are we opposed to sending our 1st out to unload JJ? It’s not ideal but its guaranteed to make us better for the next 4 seasons. Not every year you get that kind of guarantee with a later pick haha

Nope. You want promising talent for the minimum pay. Since that is a laughable notion alone, I cannot fathom your mindset or logic and will take you at face value.
- Guile

You clearly are having reading issues today. I never suggested minimum pay if you actually go back to read. I'm just stating that $2M is too much.
- Rinosaur

Why do you always argue with your alt?

Would be nice to sign Petterson for under $2M but anyone thinking you should trade him over half a mil is nuts.

People don't want to trade Maata with a $4m salary but Petterson is overpaid at $2m? Salary aside, I'd rather have Petts than Maata on the roster. I think he may be the better player at this point.

You’re legit like the only person here who doesn’t backup his arguments like when Tojo just caught you on 3rd pairing TOI. Let me ask you, how many guys in the league have bridge deals that are over $1MM at the NHL level? I honestly can’t think of ANY. Why? Because it doesn’t make any sense lol
- WSCTeton17

I literally back up all my arguments. What happens is this... I give you my reasoning, you don't like it or agree with it and that is somehow not backing up my argument.
You're honestly ridiculous.

How many more ways do I need to explain that I think it's unwise to pay a player with one year of experience $2M? To simply suggest $1.25 to $1.5M for two years as a bridge deal is really that crazy? It's simply my opinion, that while he played well, he didn't earn a $2M salary yet.

At this point are we opposed to sending our 1st out to unload JJ? It’s not ideal but its guaranteed to make us better for the next 4 seasons. Not every year you get that kind of guarantee with a later pick haha
- WSCTeton17

The Pens just can't do it. I could see JJ and a 1st going for a better player with a big salary but not just dumping a 1st to get rid of him.

Would be nice to sign Petterson for under $2M but anyone thinking you should trade him over half a mil is nuts.

People don't want to trade Maata with a $4m salary but Petterson is overpaid at $2m? Salary aside, I'd rather have Petts than Maata on the roster. I think he may be the better player at this point.
- MacPatty

The fact you're even comparing Maatta to Pettersson is just... wow

Why do you always argue with your alt?
- jmatchett383

We actually agree on much for the most part, but I think he's just angry I didn't let him come out when the hot girl was over.