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Man that Reaves trade is not aging well lol
- WSCTeton17

The trade was a disaster the minute it was made but odds are the Pens scouting would have screwed up the pick anyways.

The trade was a disaster the minute it was made but odds are the Pens scouting would have screwed up the pick anyways.
- MacPatty

Keeping Sundqvist alone would have been worth it. (frank) the 1st round pick, we give those away anyway.

I like Galch but he is not worth Phil +. It should be Galch + for Phil.

Anyways, I don’t see how Phil doesn’t get traded. Obviously it’s all speculation but from my outsider’s perspective the relationship here seems pretty toast.

https://twitter.com/thedankingerski/status/1134954678687547392?s=21

Man that Reaves trade is not aging well lol
- WSCTeton17

Poor kids career is probably over due to concussions.

I like Galch but he is not worth Phil +. It should be Galch + for Phil.

Anyways, I don’t see how Phil doesn’t get traded. Obviously it’s all speculation but from my outsider’s perspective the relationship here seems pretty toast.
- Victoro311

Just read online that McKenzie said it could be 1 for 1 Kessel for Zucker. This IMO fuels the theory that Kessel doesnt want to play on the seam team as JJ LOL. What’s ironic though is that they could do this one for one and then maybe as a side deal after they do Rask for JJ or something. Maybe it ends up being Maatta and JJ for Rask and Brodin after the Zucker-Kessel swap

Bob further noted Kessel to Vegas was an idea before they got Stone.

Vegas is going to unload a few contracts (likely one dead cap contract, a defender, and a forward before it’s all said and done)

Pens just signed Emil Larmi 22 year old goalie from HPK (Liiga) for 2 years 700k AAV

Pens just signed Emil Larmi 22 year old goalie from HPK (Liiga) for 2 years 700k AAV
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Larmi is sort of like a wild stallion in net sometimes. He gives you palpitations but pulls off the seemingly improbable outcome more often than not. HPK finals run hinged on his .950 save percentage in the seven game series. Absurdly dominant.

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I don’t know enough about goaltending mechanics to comment on Emil Larmi’s ceiling, but I’ll say this: He’s super fun to watch, fundamentals be damned. Very happy to see the Penguins continue their run of bringing in European talent like this. No risk situations.

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Goaltending development coach Andi Chiodo on Larmi: "Emil is coming off of a fantastic playoff run with HPK, and has proved himself to be one of the best goaltenders in Liiga. He's an athletic and mobile goaltender that reads the game well and is highly competitive."

We haven't heard too much on Pettersson. I've toyed with different amounts on my Armchairs, but I'm really concerned they may give him too much.

1) I was happy with Pettersson and see the POTENTIAL for a solid #4 dmen, but he still has his transition game to work on.

2) For all intents and purposes he just finished his rookie year and while some believe he could be signing for as much as $2M, I think that would be a huge mistake.

IMO if he wants more than $1.5M then the Pens should trade his rights. I think the Pens should aim for a bridge deal for no more than two years and somewhere between $1.25-$1.5M.

Pens just signed Emil Larmi 22 year old goalie from HPK (Liiga) for 2 years 700k AAV
- jso97

all your damn tweet quotings...
- Rinosaur

This kid sounds like a possible Flower in the making, no?

We haven't heard too much on Pettersson. I've toyed with different amounts on my Armchairs, but I'm really concerned they may give him too much.

1) I was happy with Pettersson and see the POTENTIAL for a solid #4 dmen, but he still has his transition game to work on.

2) For all intents and purposes he just finished his rookie year and while some believe he could be signing for as much as $2M, I think that would be a huge mistake.

IMO if he wants more than $1.5M then the Pens should trade his rights. I think the Pens should aim for a bridge deal for no more than two years and somewhere between $1.25-$1.5M.
- Rinosaur

I look at what his value can be as the same as what we paid Ian Cole. It was a similar type of trade and situation as well, and he had a solid run for that partial season with us. Pens also may view him the same... and if he is a mid pairing, then he is worth 2 mil easily.

This kid sounds like a possible Flower in the making, no?
- Guile

Yup

I look at what his value can be as the same as what we paid Ian Cole. It was a similar type of trade and situation as well, and he had a solid run for that partial season with us. Pens also may view him the same... and if he is a mid pairing, then he is worth 2 mil easily.
- Guile

Pens have on D next year:

Letang
Dumo
JJ
Gubs
Shultz
Maata
Rikolla

Pets makes 8.....I would think that 2 of those guys will be gone if they resign Pets.

Rudy....9 actually

Pens just signed Emil Larmi 22 year old goalie from HPK (Liiga) for 2 years 700k AAV
- jso97

With Jarry likely leaving, it's nice to add a goalie with some upside.

Pens have on D next year:

Letang
Dumo
JJ
Gubs
Shultz
Maata
Rikolla

Pets makes 8.....I would think that 2 of those guys will be gone if they resign Pets.

Rudy....9 actually
- sammy87

There are only three defensemen signed behind them for next year: Dane Birks, rookie Niclas Armali, and Calen Addison who is ineligible for WBS. Jeff Taylor is the best RFA. Trotman, Czuczman, Wideman, and Prow are all UFAs.

So I wouldn't trade too much depth until it's replenished because we don't have any prospect defensemen we can feel confident calling up. Might need to consider keeping 8 with both a lefty and righty for depth.

Pens have on D next year:

Letang
Dumo
JJ
Gubs
Shultz
Maata
Rikolla

Pets makes 8.....I would think that 2 of those guys will be gone if they resign Pets.

Rudy....9 actually
- sammy87

Lets be real... Rudy is not supposed to be in the top 6 in any ideal scenario. So, lets not count him as such.

Riikola... on a 1 year 'prove it' deal... if he pans out, awesome, if not, not a big loss in the long run. I of course hope he pans out and believe he can, but if I am building this team, I am not writing him into our top 6 yet.

So, our 'real' top 7 is right now..
Dumo - Letang
JJ/Maata -Shultz
Petts - Gubs

Riikola - Rud



Someone gotta go from this, at least one top 7 obviously. I think we all hope its JJ. Then, if Riikola pans out, it can make moving on from Schultz easier after next season (by not resigning him), or moving Guds out and keeping Schultz for example.

I look at what his value can be as the same as what we paid Ian Cole. It was a similar type of trade and situation as well, and he had a solid run for that partial season with us. Pens also may view him the same... and if he is a mid pairing, then he is worth 2 mil easily.
- Guile

I'm not basing this on where he'll play, but what the value of a 2nd year player.

I'm not basing this on where he'll play, but what the value of a 2nd year player.
- Rinosaur

I don’t see $2MM as an overpayment at all especially if you’re pegging him at $1.5MM anyways. If the cap goes up to $83MM that 500K is 0.6% of our total cap space for a guy with top 4 potential. Teams are handing out big money right out of ELCs all over the league in hopes to strike a bargain knowing there’s risk. The kid was 77th overall in league scoring while propping up Guds, Kola, and JJ. Trading his rights over $500K would be a mistake

I'm not basing this on where he'll play, but what the value of a 2nd year player.
- Rinosaur

Your wife probably hates going grocery shopping with you. “Honey I’m not talking about the price really, ITS THE FUC KING VALUE!!! WE NEED BETTER FU CKING VALUE!!!” Value.

I'm not basing this on where he'll play, but what the value of a 2nd year player.
- Rinosaur

So... if Rasmus Dahlin signed an extension TODAY... you would not give him more than 2 mil a year? Because, he would be a 2nd year player...

Or maybe you meant only 2 years in the league (gonna be honest, I am too lazy too look up how many Petts has, and doens't matter, you're a moron already on this topic). If so, Nico over with the Devils must not be worth more than 2 mil a year, right?

So... if Rasmus Dahlin signed an extension TODAY... you would not give him more than 2 mil a year? Because, he would be a 2nd year player...

Or maybe you meant only 2 years in the league (gonna be honest, I am too lazy too look up how many Petts has, and doens't matter, you're a moron already on this topic). If so, Nico over with the Devils must not be worth more than 2 mil a year, right?


- Guile

We’re comparing Pettersson to Nico and Dahlin?

I don’t see $2MM as an overpayment at all especially if you’re pegging him at $1.5MM anyways. If the cap goes up to $83MM that 500K is 0.6% of our total cap space for a guy with top 4 potential. Teams are handing out big money right out of ELCs all over the league in hopes to strike a bargain knowing there’s risk. The kid was 77th overall in league scoring while propping up Guds, Kola, and JJ. Trading his rights over $500K would be a mistake
- WSCTeton17

Agree, way too promising to trade over that amount. Besides, the Pens are in a cap crunch, they're not trading their cheapest starting defenseman. They'll trade at least one of the guys they scratched over him.

Lets be real... Rudy is not supposed to be in the top 6 in any ideal scenario. So, lets not count him as such.

Riikola... on a 1 year 'prove it' deal... if he pans out, awesome, if not, not a big loss in the long run. I of course hope he pans out and believe he can, but if I am building this team, I am not writing him into our top 6 yet.

So, our 'real' top 7 is right now..
Dumo - Letang
JJ/Maata -Shultz
Petts - Gubs

Riikola - Rud



Someone gotta go from this, at least one top 7 obviously. I think we all hope its JJ. Then, if Riikola pans out, it can make moving on from Schultz easier after next season (by not resigning him), or moving Guds out and keeping Schultz for example.
- Guile

That's solid logic. Riikola and Ruhwedel won't be counted on as top 6 guys to start the year. Neither has any trade value, in fact they could probably try and sneak one through waivers if they have to.

The focus is on the 7 guys for 6 spots (barring anyone else being added). Specifically it's 4 LD for 3 spots. Dumoulin is safe. Everything reported and common sense says Pettersson is too. So it's Maatta or JJ, and we all pray for JJ.

This is obviously my gut talking and I'm not anti-Pettersson although it may be coming off like that as of late. If it were my choice, I'd keep Matta, trade Pettersson's rights and keep Riikola.

I know people on here are torn on both players with a more favorable view of Petterrsson over Riikola, but I see more potential in Riikola. I think Riikola's style of play fits the identity of what made the Pens so successful in 15/16, but obviously he has a lot of work to do.

Riikola's transition game is MUCH stronger than Petts, but obviously Petts possession numbers more solid.

We’re comparing Pettersson to Nico and Dahlin?
- Rinosaur

When you made a blanket statement of '2 years = this much' does it matter who is the comparison?

When you made a blanket statement of '2 years = this much' does it matter who is the comparison?
- Guile

I was hoping I don't always have to spoon-feed things on here. You clearly know what I was implying.