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- Grinder47

I agree with you there.

Going back a blog or two to what would it take to get JJ off the team. I recall some saying Geno is the only player good enough to package up with JJ. I think we can all agree now that’s not the case
- WSCTeton17

No, it is the case. In the context of the previous discussion, it's highly unlikely a team just takes JJ along with Phil because they really want Phil. This rumor adds on another bad bad contract for the Pens to take back. MIN doesn't just take JJ off their hands.

I fully believe it's possible to move JJ by taking back another bad contract, but it just comes down to whether or not that bad contract makes more sense for the Pens than JJ.

Has anybody realized we cant win big games without kunitz... just saying

No, it is the case. In the context of the previous discussion, it's highly unlikely a team just takes JJ along with Phil because they really want Phil. This rumor adds on another bad bad contract for the Pens to take back. MIN doesn't just take JJ off their hands.

I fully believe it's possible to move JJ by taking back another bad contract, but it just comes down to whether or not that bad contract makes more sense for the Pens than JJ.
- Rinosaur

So you’re saying Arizona wouldn’t take JJ and Phil for a 3rd rounder?

All packaging up JJ with Phil does is negate the return on Phil. It doesn’t necessarily mean that we HAVE to take a bad contract back. If the ask to take just JJ is a 1st or even a 1st and a 3rd then by saying Phil isn’t enough to package up with JJ for ANYTHING less than a bad contract you’re saying Phil at 6.8MM isn’t worth a 1st and a 3rd. That is straight dumb

All packaging up JJ with Phil does is negate the return on Phil. It doesn’t necessarily mean that we HAVE to take a bad contract back. If the ask to take just JJ is a 1st or even a 1st and a 3rd then by saying Phil isn’t enough to package up with JJ for ANYTHING less than a bad contract you’re saying Phil at 6.8MM isn’t worth a 1st and a 3rd. That is straight dumb
- WSCTeton17

This whole post is straight dumb, but at least it wasn't four paragraphs.

This whole post is straight dumb, but at least it wasn't four paragraphs.
- Rinosaur

I think you’re literally the only person in the world who thinks Kessel isn’t good enough to package up with JJ without taking a bad contract in return

Others who disagrees with you: https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1184442

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1183784

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1183338

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1180599

I’m not saying any of these are good. I’m just saying that all of us agree that Pitt can trade JJ with Phil WITHOUT taking back a junk contract. The more you disagree the dumber you sound and you haven’t given one piece of logic to support your opinion

You said the other day ZAR and a 2nd would allow us to unload JJ to Ottawa for a 4th and a 5th. You’re saying Phil isn’t worth ZAR and a 2nd?... that is absolutely garbage

I think you’re literally the only person in the world who thinks Kessel isn’t good enough to package up with JJ without taking a bad contract in return

Others who disagrees with you: https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1184442

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1183784

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1183338

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1180599

I’m not saying any of these are good. I’m just saying that all of us agree that Pitt can trade JJ with Phil WITHOUT taking back a junk contract. The more you disagree the dumber you sound and you haven’t given one piece of logic to support your opinion

You said the other day ZAR and a 2nd would allow us to unload JJ to Ottawa for a 4th and a 5th. You’re saying Phil isn’t worth ZAR and a 2nd?... that is absolutely garbage
- WSCTeton17

First, sometimes I’m just messing around with different ideas.

Second, you keep trying to catch me in these JJ trades but COMPLETELY ignore the fact the Pens retain salary in nearly every scenario.

You like to frame things to fit your narrative and ignore facts. This is why I don’t take you seriously. Well, that and the novels you post.

First, sometimes I’m just messing around with different ideas.

Second, you keep trying to catch me in these JJ trades but COMPLETELY ignore the fact the Pens retain salary in nearly every scenario.

You like to frame things to fit your narrative and ignore facts. This is why I don’t take you seriously. Well, that and the novels you post.
- Rinosaur

There’s like 15 different trade ideas there packaging up Philbo with JJ and what, 2 of them have salary retained (not nearly every as you put it) and they’re from the standpoint of the other team which makes complete sense because these are all from Penguin fans. Of course they don’t want any salary retained on their end. What I’m illustrating is that there other people who oppose your POV that Phil isn’t good enough to be packaged with JJ to bring anything of value back, and actually they seem to feel pretty strongly that even then some decent value can still come back

Rask wasn’t the only player talked about and from my only source I have he wouldn’t have been the player coming back if it was solely a 2 for 2 deal. It was Jonas brodin. Pens made calls to at least 1 team in the west to see what they could get for brodin OR maatta....

There’s like 15 different trade ideas there packaging up Philbo with JJ and what, 2 of them have salary retained (not nearly every as you put it) and they’re from the standpoint of the other team which makes complete sense because these are all from Penguin fans. Of course they don’t want any salary retained on their end. What I’m illustrating is that there other people who oppose your POV that Phil isn’t good enough to be packaged with JJ to bring anything of value back, and actually they seem to feel pretty strongly that even then some decent value can still come back
- WSCTeton17

Could you elaborate?

Rask wasn’t the only player talked about and from my only source I have he wouldn’t have been the player coming back if it was solely a 2 for 2 deal. It was Jonas brodin. Pens made calls to at least 1 team in the west to see what they could get for brodin OR maatta....
- pens4life-66

Per Rinosaur it would have to be someone of cap dump status if we’re just sending Phil and JJ over. So it couldn’t be Brodin. It’s simply not possible

Rask wasn’t the only player talked about and from my only source I have he wouldn’t have been the player coming back if it was solely a 2 for 2 deal. It was Jonas brodin. Pens made calls to at least 1 team in the west to see what they could get for brodin OR maatta....
- pens4life-66

Zucker/Brodin for Kessel/JJ? That would be amazing!

From Friedman's 31 thoughts:

1. Here’s my sense of what’s going on with Phil Kessel: he vetoed a trade to Minnesota and the story is out because both teams are unhappy. He cannot be traded to the Wild without specific approval, and, if you know Kessel, you know he will stand up for his rights no matter what anyone else thinks. The fact it got out may make it even harder to complete, because he’ll push back against pressure.

I’d heard things went badly last season between him and the organization, and this confirms it. He knows he will be traded because there’s no benefit to staying, but he’s going to make sure it is on his terms if the Penguins want to send him anywhere other than his eight-team list. My guess is Arizona would be high on his choice of destinations, but I don’t see an easy fit. The Penguins want scoring in return and the Coyotes finished 28th in goals-for. Memorial Day weekend comes at a perfect time for everyone to take a deep breath, drink some strawberry daiquiris, then search for a solution.

2. You know who else can’t be thrilled? Jason Zucker. That’s twice (Calgary at the deadline) he’s been sent somewhere, only to have it aborted. Someone is going to get a very motivated player. He must want to strangle someone.

Murray named MVP of Semi final game with 40 saves

https://twitter.com/tsn_s.../1132372077225418752?s=21

From Friedman's 31 thoughts:

1. Here’s my sense of what’s going on with Phil Kessel: he vetoed a trade to Minnesota and the story is out because both teams are unhappy. He cannot be traded to the Wild without specific approval, and, if you know Kessel, you know he will stand up for his rights no matter what anyone else thinks. The fact it got out may make it even harder to complete, because he’ll push back against pressure.

I’d heard things went badly last season between him and the organization, and this confirms it. He knows he will be traded because there’s no benefit to staying, but he’s going to make sure it is on his terms if the Penguins want to send him anywhere other than his eight-team list. My guess is Arizona would be high on his choice of destinations, but I don’t see an easy fit. The Penguins want scoring in return and the Coyotes finished 28th in goals-for. Memorial Day weekend comes at a perfect time for everyone to take a deep breath, drink some strawberry daiquiris, then search for a solution.

2. You know who else can’t be thrilled? Jason Zucker. That’s twice (Calgary at the deadline) he’s been sent somewhere, only to have it aborted. Someone is going to get a very motivated player. He must want to strangle someone.
- Tojo.

I just read this not long ago. I also read Zucker was offered to Vancouver and of course as noted he was almost in a deal to Calgary. Motivated indeed!

I have heard the rumors of Kessel wanting to go to Arizona. I wonder what it would take. I could see the package of Kessel and JJ going the other way, but I dont think we would have as many strong pieces coming back like Zucker from the Min deal. Who knows maybe it will be a 3 team deal.

From Friedman's 31 thoughts:

1. Here’s my sense of what’s going on with Phil Kessel: he vetoed a trade to Minnesota and the story is out because both teams are unhappy. He cannot be traded to the Wild without specific approval, and, if you know Kessel, you know he will stand up for his rights no matter what anyone else thinks. The fact it got out may make it even harder to complete, because he’ll push back against pressure.

I’d heard things went badly last season between him and the organization, and this confirms it. He knows he will be traded because there’s no benefit to staying, but he’s going to make sure it is on his terms if the Penguins want to send him anywhere other than his eight-team list. My guess is Arizona would be high on his choice of destinations, but I don’t see an easy fit. The Penguins want scoring in return and the Coyotes finished 28th in goals-for. Memorial Day weekend comes at a perfect time for everyone to take a deep breath, drink some strawberry daiquiris, then search for a solution.

2. You know who else can’t be thrilled? Jason Zucker. That’s twice (Calgary at the deadline) he’s been sent somewhere, only to have it aborted. Someone is going to get a very motivated player. He must want to strangle someone.
- Tojo.

I hope the deal ends up going through. Zucker after a down year, Rask after a down and injury year obviously will be far better than the non value JJ gives us. Maybe I'm overly optimistic due to getting rid of JJ, but I can see Rask being solid on a third line here. Dude is 26, obviously means his career isnt yet all downhill.

I hope the deal ends up going through. Zucker after a down year, Rask after a down and injury year obviously will be far better than the non value JJ gives us. Maybe I'm overly optimistic due to getting rid of JJ, but I can see Rask being solid on a third line here. Dude is 26, obviously means his career isnt yet all downhill.
- Guile

I really don't know if that Wild deal is still alive. I remember reading they were trying to have Parise reach out and others to tell him how good it is there, but I don't the timeline of that and the rejection.

As far as Rask is concerned, he had a very down year compared to his previous seasons and yes, injuries played a part. He isn't very good defensively, but he's been solid a generating offense. I don't view him as a 3C, and while I still think he's grossly overpaid, he could be a VERY good 4C.

Rask wasn’t the only player talked about and from my only source I have he wouldn’t have been the player coming back if it was solely a 2 for 2 deal. It was Jonas brodin. Pens made calls to at least 1 team in the west to see what they could get for brodin OR maatta....
- pens4life-66

Brodin/Zucker for Kessel/J.Johnson would be just what the doctor ordered. I hope this goes down.

Sign Hagelin in free agency and we have a very decent team.

Thanks for the info pens4life-66

Brodin/Zucker for Kessel/J.Johnson would be just what the doctor ordered. I hope this goes down.

Sign Hagelin in free agency and we have a very decent team.

Thanks for the info pens4life-66
- Barnaby36

I don’t think he’d return to the GM that traded him away unless he got a full NMC, don’t ya think? I also think he’s going to sign in the $3MM range and it just might be too rich for us

Just trade Kessel and don’t package him up with JJ how about that?

From Friedman's 31 thoughts:

1. Here’s my sense of what’s going on with Phil Kessel: he vetoed a trade to Minnesota and the story is out because both teams are unhappy. He cannot be traded to the Wild without specific approval, and, if you know Kessel, you know he will stand up for his rights no matter what anyone else thinks. The fact it got out may make it even harder to complete, because he’ll push back against pressure.

I’d heard things went badly last season between him and the organization, and this confirms it. He knows he will be traded because there’s no benefit to staying, but he’s going to make sure it is on his terms if the Penguins want to send him anywhere other than his eight-team list. My guess is Arizona would be high on his choice of destinations, but I don’t see an easy fit. The Penguins want scoring in return and the Coyotes finished 28th in goals-for. Memorial Day weekend comes at a perfect time for everyone to take a deep breath, drink some strawberry daiquiris, then search for a solution.

2. You know who else can’t be thrilled? Jason Zucker. That’s twice (Calgary at the deadline) he’s been sent somewhere, only to have it aborted. Someone is going to get a very motivated player. He must want to strangle someone.
- Tojo.

I've thought for a long time Zona would be a choice destination. In reality, the Pens could do a Kessel trade for picks and prospects and try to piece together a Zucker trade without Phil. Maybe better yet look to the free agent markets for a Phil replacement.

I've thought for a long time Zona would be a choice destination. In reality, the Pens could do a Kessel trade for picks and prospects and try to piece together a Zucker trade without Phil. Maybe better yet look to the free agent markets for a Phil replacement.
- MacPatty

It's really hard to get excited about anything Arizona might trade us though.

I like Zucker better than the guys we can afford, unless Anders Lee falls into our range after a down year. Feel like in free agency we'd overpay a guy like Ferland.

I don’t think he’d return to the GM that traded him away unless he got a full NMC, don’t ya think? I also think he’s going to sign in the $3MM range and it just might be too rich for us
- WSCTeton17

Agree, don't think we have the cap space for Hags. We need to cut about 3M just to fill a 22 man roster and keep a roughly 1M buffer for call ups, etc.