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Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

May 23 @ 2:18 PM ET
IMO: Perry’s is up there for the worst, then that of the Wild’s, and Montreal’s is much further down the list. Weber faces the hardest competition of all MTL defenders. He was on a 47 point pace which is obviously top pairing figures. Is judgement fair on his contract? Sure, but so far he’s been living up to it, imo

Carey Price.. he wasn’t good in 18 but neither was the team in front of him. If you look at his quality starts there’s a direct correlation with Shea Weber. Before Weber got hurt in 18 Price found his game in the 2nd quarter before falling apart. This past year he was solid when Weber returned. He had 23 quality starts in 34 games while still playing behind an average D corps. His sv% the last few years (league average was 910 this year): 918, 900, 923, 934, 933, 927

- WSCTeton17

Perry’s contract is terrible. Who would’ve thought he would fall this far from his better days. Him and Getzlaf were the face of the Ducks.
Reverend Killtaker
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 07.02.2008

May 23 @ 2:19 PM ET
What do you do in DC? I know you used to travel there a lot. I’m here now too.
- Victoro311


I work for a certain employer doing certain things.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 23 @ 2:19 PM ET
I work for a certain employer doing certain things.
- Reverend Killtaker


Produce the tax returns! Lol
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

May 23 @ 2:20 PM ET
The Parise/Suter contracts with the Wild look even worse to me - $7.5M until 2025. So much for a hometown discount . That is more than Letang and Kessel in terms of dollars and three more years then the Letang and Kessel contracts, which end in 2022. These contracts are really going to burn the Wild in the years leading up to their ends. Both players already look washed up. Suter is nowhere near as good as Letang (despite Letang being frustrating sometimes).
- PghPens668771

And Parise was supposed to sign with us. Remember that feeling after we lost the Parise Watch to MinneFnsota? Thank god.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 23 @ 2:22 PM ET
Can anyone provide the bullet points from Yohe’s article on Kessel and the Wild?
Reverend Killtaker
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 07.02.2008

May 23 @ 2:23 PM ET
Produce the tax returns! Lol
- Rinosaur


cant, im undergoing an audit.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

May 23 @ 2:25 PM ET
Ruhwedel just signed 2 year deal 700k AAV
- jso97

I don’t know what to think about the signing. I guess it was good since he’s a 7th D-man with good foot speed and can move the puck a bit. The term is good too.
Za Warudo
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 04.20.2019

May 23 @ 2:29 PM ET
Can anyone provide the bullet points from Yohe’s article on Kessel and the Wild?
- Rinosaur


I let my Athletic subscription lapse because of Yohe’s complete lack of objectivity.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

May 23 @ 2:52 PM ET
Can anyone provide the bullet points from Yohe’s article on Kessel and the Wild?
- Rinosaur

Rino it’s Kessel/Jacko for Zucker/Rask.

Would you take it and run?
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 23 @ 3:02 PM ET
Can anyone provide the bullet points from Yohe’s article on Kessel and the Wild?
- Rinosaur


Pens and Wild are in discussions...

"It is believed Jason Zucker, the speedy Wild forward who scored 76 goals the past three seasons, would be part of the deal. Minnesota made it clear to other franchises that Zucker, 27, is available.

The Penguins and Wild also discussed a couple of players with long-term contracts in Jack Johnson and Victor Rask."

"The deal has been on the table for days. It is believed the only holdup at this time is Kessel, who has the right to veto the trade."
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 23 @ 3:09 PM ET
Honestly, I like Ruhwedel as a depth player. I was kind of pissed he didn't get more opportunity last year when absolutely none of the LD could handle switching sides. I think Sully pretty much butchered that.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 23 @ 3:09 PM ET
Pens and Wild are in discussions...

"It is believed Jason Zucker, the speedy Wild forward who scored 76 goals the past three seasons, would be part of the deal. Minnesota made it clear to other franchises that Zucker, 27, is available.

The Penguins and Wild also discussed a couple of players with long-term contracts in Jack Johnson and Victor Rask."

"The deal has been on the table for days. It is believed the only holdup at this time is Kessel, who has the right to veto the trade."

- madmike71


Wow. That’s a tough one.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 23 @ 3:11 PM ET
Honestly, I like Ruhwedel as a depth player. I was kind of pissed he didn't get more opportunity last year when absolutely none of the LD could handle switching sides. I think Sully pretty much butchered that.
- madmike71


If the Pens had a high-end 3rd pairing RD then I’d be totally find with Ruh as the LD.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 23 @ 3:12 PM ET
Rino it’s Kessel/Jacko for Zucker/Rask.

Would you take it and run?

- Barnaby36


I dunno... I’m so against moving Kessel, but if it’s inevitable then yes, if it gets Johnson out if here I would do it.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 23 @ 3:13 PM ET
I work for a certain employer doing certain things.
- Reverend Killtaker


Is your username a Fugazi reference?
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 23 @ 3:15 PM ET
I dunno... I’m so against moving Kessel, but if it’s inevitable then yes, if it gets Johnson out if here I would do it.
- Rinosaur


It was inevitable the minute the season ended.
acdc1206
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Fire Sullivan, PA
Joined: 06.13.2007

May 23 @ 3:17 PM ET
Rino it’s Kessel/Jacko for Zucker/Rask.

Would you take it and run?

- Barnaby36


I would. I love Phil too.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 23 @ 3:18 PM ET
It was inevitable the minute the season ended.
- madmike71


Zucker is a solid player with good attributes, but he’s no Kessel. His speed is welcome though and JJ would be gone.

Pens would save a little space, which could definitely be useful in shoring up other pieces.
kfinl170
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.05.2010

May 23 @ 3:27 PM ET
Zucker is a solid player with good attributes, but he’s no Kessel. His speed is welcome though and JJ would be gone.

Pens would save a little space, which could definitely be useful in shoring up other pieces.

- Rinosaur


I’ve always liked Zucker, brings a lot to the table but he obviously is no Phil. Rask really concerns me, he flat out stinks.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 23 @ 3:29 PM ET
I’ve always liked Zucker, brings a lot to the table but he obviously is no Phil. Rask really concerns me, he flat out stinks.
- kfinl170


From a basic standpoint he could can put up respectable points, but I know his analytics are rough.

That being said, it’s easier to limit someone like him as a forward and not hamper the top six from creating offense.
Za Warudo
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 04.20.2019

May 23 @ 3:36 PM ET
I’ve always liked Zucker, brings a lot to the table but he obviously is no Phil. Rask really concerns me, he flat out stinks.
- kfinl170


If Option II is keep Phil and buy out JMFJ, I’d prefer to do that.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

May 23 @ 3:36 PM ET
I would. I love Phil too.
- acdc1206


Since I've accepted Phil was leaving a while ago, I'd do this deal. They can hide Rask easier than JJ.


Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 23 @ 3:39 PM ET
Since I've accepted Phil was leaving a while ago, I'd do this deal. They can hide Rask easier than JJ.
- madmike71


While grossly overpaid, I don’t think he’d be a bad fourth line option.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 23 @ 3:40 PM ET
If Option II is keep Phil and buy out JMFJ, I’d prefer to do that.
- Za Warudo


Pens have a self-imposed no buyout policy.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 23 @ 3:52 PM ET
Pens have a self-imposed no buyout policy.
- Rinosaur


Well Mario played for a half decade without getting paid, seems like paying players to not play would be fair turn.
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