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Forums :: Blog World :: Ryan Wilson: Damned if you do damned if you don't: The Jack Johnson saga
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Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 23 @ 10:35 AM ET
So...Johnson is our new Scuderi?
- Reverend Killtaker


Worse. Much much worse.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 23 @ 11:17 AM ET
It’s a completely different league today.
- Rinosaur


Yep.

That said, even with the better goaltending and defensive schemes, I'd like to see what a healthy Lemieux and Gretzky could do with no red line, bigger offensive zones, more space behind the net, composite sticks, modern training, gloves that allow you to stickhandle, and the crackdown (relative to the 80s) on obstruction fouls.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

May 23 @ 11:32 AM ET
So...Johnson is our new Scuderi?
- Reverend Killtaker

You clearly haven't been around much the past year. 😉
Reverend Killtaker
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 07.02.2008

May 23 @ 11:35 AM ET
You clearly haven't been around much the past year. 😉
- Tojo.


No, I relocated to DC and my professional life has consumed me. Im just prepping myself now for a summer of Scuderi err Johnson bashing
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

May 23 @ 11:36 AM ET
Mario played with 5 defenders that in today’s puss y hockey society “couldn’t get him the puck”. Geno Sid Kessel Letang should of all been better regardless of who they played with.
- Grinder47

When I started watching, Mario (who would be ripped today for how bad he cherry-picked the first month of the season) played exclusively with Coffee for several years. Coffey>>>>>>>>>Anyone playing today at the breakout.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

May 23 @ 11:39 AM ET
No, I relocated to DC and my professional life has consumed me. Im just prepping myself now for a summer of Scuderi err Johnson bashing
- Reverend Killtaker

Stupid adulting. Well, nice to see you and yeah, he's that guy right now.

With you in DC, don't know how this board is going to get any decent takes on how WBS players are actually doing.
Reverend Killtaker
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Alexandria, VA
Joined: 07.02.2008

May 23 @ 11:45 AM ET
Stupid adulting. Well, nice to see you and yeah, he's that guy right now.

With you in DC, don't know how this board is going to get any decent takes on how WBS players are actually doing.

- Tojo.


I didnt get to one game up there last year, and luckily they didnt penalize me when I cancelled my ticket package.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

May 23 @ 12:10 PM ET
Rumor is Brock Nelson just got 6x6. He likely just set the standard. This likely bumps Hayes up to 6.5, Zucc to 6+, Dzingel surely gets in the 5’s now
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

May 23 @ 12:10 PM ET
Rumor is Brock Nelson just got 6x6. He likely just set the standard. This likely bumps Hayes up to 6.5, Zucc to 6+, Dzingel surely gets in the 5’s now
- WSCTeton17

https://twitter.com/ineff.../1131592654070980608?s=21
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

May 23 @ 12:25 PM ET
Safe to say Guentzel > Nelson?
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

May 23 @ 12:32 PM ET
You mean like Shea Weber and Carey Price?
- Rinosaur

Those guys too lol
PghPens668771
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.26.2013

May 23 @ 12:36 PM ET
Hard to find a worse contract than PERRY’s and SEABROOK’s. Reminds me of Scott Gomez’ contract a few years ago..
- Barnaby36


The Parise/Suter contracts with the Wild look even worse to me - $7.5M until 2025. So much for a hometown discount . That is more than Letang and Kessel in terms of dollars and three more years then the Letang and Kessel contracts, which end in 2022. These contracts are really going to burn the Wild in the years leading up to their ends. Both players already look washed up. Suter is nowhere near as good as Letang (despite Letang being frustrating sometimes).
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 23 @ 12:40 PM ET
Those guys too lol
- Barnaby36


I think those are the worst in the league
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

May 23 @ 12:51 PM ET
The Parise/Suter contracts with the Wild look even worse to me - $7.5M until 2025. So much for a hometown discount . That is more than Letang and Kessel in terms of dollars and three more years then the Letang and Kessel contracts, which end in 2022. These contracts are really going to burn the Wild in the years leading up to their ends. Both players already look washed up. Suter is nowhere near as good as Letang (despite Letang being frustrating sometimes).
- PghPens668771

IMO: Perry’s is up there for the worst, then that of the Wild’s, and Montreal’s is much further down the list. Weber faces the hardest competition of all MTL defenders. He was on a 47 point pace which is obviously top pairing figures. Is judgement fair on his contract? Sure, but so far he’s been living up to it, imo

Carey Price.. he wasn’t good in 18 but neither was the team in front of him. If you look at his quality starts there’s a direct correlation with Shea Weber. Before Weber got hurt in 18 Price found his game in the 2nd quarter before falling apart. This past year he was solid when Weber returned. He had 23 quality starts in 34 games while still playing behind an average D corps. His sv% the last few years (league average was 910 this year): 918, 900, 923, 934, 933, 927
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

May 23 @ 1:10 PM ET
Carey Price has the worst contract in the league. Great goalie but was too much AAV and way too long of term for a goalie.

Perry's contract is exactly why signing 8 year deals with guys in their late 20s is a mistake. He was still a really good player when he signed but injuries speed up regression.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

May 23 @ 1:29 PM ET
Carey Price has the worst contract in the league. Great goalie but was too much AAV and way too long of term for a goalie.

Perry's contract is exactly why signing 8 year deals with guys in their late 20s is a mistake. He was still a really good player when he signed but injuries speed up regression.

- MacPatty

We disagree and that’s fine. Price obviously isn’t living up to his cap hit but he’s still providing value. It’s also possible that he has a 930 for the next 5 seasons and maybe wins a cup. JJ is at $3.25MM and provides negative value.. then you have cap hits like Alzner which are large and provide no value. If you include all the facts including usage I think JJ has to be one of the worst
Za Warudo
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 04.20.2019

May 23 @ 1:39 PM ET
The Parise/Suter contracts with the Wild look even worse to me - $7.5M until 2025. So much for a hometown discount . That is more than Letang and Kessel in terms of dollars and three more years then the Letang and Kessel contracts, which end in 2022. These contracts are really going to burn the Wild in the years leading up to their ends. Both players already look washed up. Suter is nowhere near as good as Letang (despite Letang being frustrating sometimes).
- PghPens668771


I’m sure we’ll find out that both Parise and Suter had a mysterious, unverified allergy as soon as their production dips...
jso97
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.23.2017

May 23 @ 1:47 PM ET
Ruhwedel just signed 2 year deal 700k AAV
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 23 @ 1:51 PM ET
Ruhwedel just signed 2 year deal 700k AAV
- jso97


I think he’s better than JJ
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

May 23 @ 1:54 PM ET
I think he’s better than JJ
- Rinosaur


He is better than JJ and at that price he's alot better haha.

I'm glad they resigned him.... Now follow it up with a JJ dump...too many D signed now.
Za Warudo
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 04.20.2019

May 23 @ 1:59 PM ET
Ruhwedel just signed 2 year deal 700k AAV
- jso97


Maybe he learned to just skate it out of the corner?
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

May 23 @ 1:59 PM ET
He is better than JJ and at that price he's alot better haha.

I'm glad they resigned him.... Now follow it up with a JJ dump...too many D signed now.

- MattStrat


Letang, Dumo, Schultz, Maatta, JJ, Gudbranson, Petterson and Ruhwedel make eight dmen.

Sadly, it will likely be Maatta getting dumped.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

May 23 @ 2:10 PM ET
No, I relocated to DC and my professional life has consumed me. Im just prepping myself now for a summer of Scuderi err Johnson bashing
- Reverend Killtaker

What do you do in DC? I know you used to travel there a lot. I’m here now too.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

May 23 @ 2:10 PM ET
Ruhwedel just signed 2 year deal 700k AAV
- jso97

With us? That’s good value. I’m happy with that.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

May 23 @ 2:16 PM ET
I think those are the worst in the league
- Rinosaur

IMO Perry is just garbage right now and he’s getting what? $10M? Geez
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