Wonder what would go to pitt defense or forward?
- Scott1977

maybe they start a rebuild by sending Spurgeon and the rights to Kiril Ka what's his name, and Rask...

I didn't know as posted this that there were reports with Zucker Rask names.

I dunno why the Wild try to do this because I gotta think it iF this talk continues the Pens want a pick or two or more than Zucker and Rask.

It looks like an odd sort of get for Minnesota.
They have the big cap guys Suter / Parise and you add another?
Is it a rebuild around them?

Zucker lots of past concussions and Rask just not a good foot speed for a centre, it just seems like an odd Cap relief deal dump Johnson & Kessel) , but the Sharp deal was such, and the Bickell deal too, so I guess I understand, but maybe this was just the first feeleres and they send him elsewhere and do better in a return?

An EU influence on the bench may not be a bad thing. The Hawks could have 10+ players on their opening night roster that are not Americans or Canadians.

AA
Kahun
Kurashev
Kubalik
Kampf
Joki
Perlini
Gus
Forsling
Koekkoeck
Lankinen
Wedin
Soderlund

All of these guys will be on the opening night roster. There could be additions and subtractions through trades.
- -Doh-

You missed Forsberg - next year's backup goaltender. He will be good because he knows Colliton likes Swedes whereas Q doesn't.

maybe they start a rebuild by sending Spurgeon and the rights to Kiril Ka what's his name, and Rask...
- wiz1901

Kessel has a NTC, supposedly Minnesota is not one of the 8 teams he has on his OK list.

Nice take by Ray Ferraro:


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Copycat means a step behind. 3 years ago you would be building like the Penguins, last year like the Caps, now like the Blues. How would anyone keep up? My opinion is build around what your strengths are, not somebody else’s roster
- LAHawk

This. This. This. This. This.


This x1000. Can’t reiterate this enough.

I LAUGH at people that point out teams like Bruins and Blues are “heavy” and “big” and that’s why they’re the last teams standing. It makes me want to spit out what I’m drinking.

In sports - regardless of sport - you win because you have a system or roster catered to the strengths of your organization. The players buy in, and it works.

Teams that play copycat NEVER win because by then, it’s too late.

The Hawks are fortunate enough to have two superstars in Kane and Toews, two budding talents in Cat and Strome, and good young forwards in Saad and Kahun that round out the forward nucleus. They’ve got a “still” useful Keith, a surprising, yet quite useful chess piece in Gus, and when healthy world-class goalie in Crawford.

The responsibly therein lies with both Bowman and Colliton, who are now tied at the hip, in rebuilding a winner here in Chicago. Bowman finally has cap space, and Colliton finally has a summer to implement HIS system, so finding players that will cater to the strengths of that system is clearly paramount.

Find the right players, and boom (obviously easier said than done).

But the absolute LAST THING that the Hawks should be doing is finding pieces to fit a certain style of play that is trending around the league, or fitting a certain cliche.

Being unique, finding new ways to win with the pieces you do have, and continuing to build continuity is how winners operate. Not by trying to fit a certain narrative that other teams create.

Kessel has a NTC, supposedly Minnesota is not one of the 8 teams he has on his OK list.
- LAHawk

Kessel for Seabrook.

the jets are looking for a 1st rounder plus for Trouba should the Hawks peruse? or just an over payment.
- Count Caggula

I wouldn't pursue it at all. He isn't a bad player but I don't think he gives us anything we are missing and we already have puck moving Dmen who excel at giving it away.

Really, why go there?

In an interview with Sports Illustrated, Cherry was asked if he regretted questioning the fortitude of Swedish hockey players by calling them “chicken Swedes.” He replied, “I never called a Swede a chicken because I have nothing against chickens.”
- walleyeb1

I was being facetious

This. This. This. This. This.


This x1000. Can’t reiterate this enough.

I LAUGH at people that point out teams like Bruins and Blues are “heavy” and “big” and that’s why they’re the last teams standing. It makes me want to spit out what I’m drinking.

In sports - regardless of sport - you win because you have a system or roster catered to the strengths of your organization. The players buy in, and it works.

Teams that play copycat NEVER win because by then, it’s too late.

The Hawks are fortunate enough to have two superstars in Kane and Toews, two budding talents in Cat and Strome, and good young forwards in Saad and Kahun that round out the forward nucleus. They’ve got a “still” useful Keith, a surprising, yet quite useful chess piece in Gus, and when healthy world-class goalie in Crawford.

The responsibly therein lies with both Bowman and Colliton, who are now tied at the hip, in rebuilding a winner here in Chicago. Bowman finally has cap space, and Colliton finally has a summer to implement HIS system, so finding players that will cater to the strengths of that system is clearly paramount.

Find the right players, and boom (obviously easier said than done).

But the absolute LAST THING that the Hawks should be doing is finding pieces to fit a certain style of play that is trending around the league, or fitting a certain cliche.

Being unique, finding new ways to win with the pieces you do have, and continuing to build continuity is how winners operate. Not by trying to fit a certain narrative that other teams create.
- TommyHawk

IMO, It is true that there isn't a formula or one way to build a team and win and you are right about playing to your strengths. On the flip side I do think that the team can't have too many weaknesses and that is where depth comes in. Some of the best Hawks teams we've seen could play to their strengths but could also adapt and play the other team's play style and survive without getting sunk. I think the team lately has lacked some of that versatility. Basically, I'm saying they should have a style and systems that work, but also the ability to counter the other team's tactics a bit better. Right now, it feels like some teams can take advantage of the weak areas for the Hawks too easily. Hawks need to fill in some holes to shore up, but stick with what works for them otherwise.

IMO, It is true that there isn't a formula or one way to build a team and win and you are right about playing to your strengths. On the flip side I do think that the team can't have too many weaknesses and that is where depth comes in. Some of the best Hawks teams we've seen could play to their strengths but could also adapt and play the other team's play style and survive without getting sunk. I think the team lately has lacked some of that versatility. Basically, I'm saying they should have a style and systems that work, but also the ability to counter the other team's tactics a bit better. Right now, it feels like some teams can take advantage of the weak areas for the Hawks too easily. Hawks need to fill in some holes to shore up, but stick with what works for them otherwise.
- breadbag

Generous (bad) refereeing doesn't hurt either ... you will go very far. Haha, jk.

I wonder if the idea is to continue to draw late blooming Swedish talent and having a competent guy to work with the kids.
- wiz1901

It means the Hawks will draft Broberg, obviously.

Who are we kidding, they’ll be drafting Cole Caufield.

It means the Hawks will draft Broberg, obviously.

Who are we kidding, they’ll be drafting Cole Caufield.
- DarthKane

Caufieldberg

If the hawks miss by a hair they could 2in the lottery again!
- wiz1901

Or fail to 7th like Bulls did

IMO, It is true that there isn't a formula or one way to build a team and win and you are right about playing to your strengths. On the flip side I do think that the team can't have too many weaknesses and that is where depth comes in. Some of the best Hawks teams we've seen could play to their strengths but could also adapt and play the other team's play style and survive without getting sunk. I think the team lately has lacked some of that versatility. Basically, I'm saying they should have a style and systems that work, but also the ability to counter the other team's tactics a bit better. Right now, it feels like some teams can take advantage of the weak areas for the Hawks too easily. Hawks need to fill in some holes to shore up, but stick with what works for them otherwise.
- breadbag

No doubt the Hawks have holes to patch up, but ultimately the deciding factor of how this team fares isn't dependent on how they adjust to the rest of the league, it's how they can use what they currently have, coupled with whatever additions they make to fit the style of play they want to play, and implementing a system that the players all buy into that will breed success.

Playing their own game the way the Colliton envisions (with the roster he envisions) is how this team can return to relevancy.

You missed Forsberg - next year's backup goaltender. He will be good because he knows Colliton likes Swedes whereas Q doesn't.
- RickJ

He will be good because he a good goalie .That idiot show of goalie management to start last year is behind him .Hopefully he will sign a decent contract and take over the back-up role . Q missed a lot along the way ,good Scotty was their to keep him up to speed .

Kessel has a NTC, supposedly Minnesota is not one of the 8 teams he has on his OK list.
- LAHawk

Anderson Ek? Was a first round choice. Has bounced back and forth AHL NHL. Has scored in AHL.

I think it looks like Stan Bowman is building this team to look similar to those of his dad's Detroit redwings teams. Let's just hope there's another Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Federov, Franzen, Holmstrom and Datsyuk in the bunch.

I think it looks like Stan Bowman is building this team to look similar to those of his dad's Detroit redwings teams. Let's just hope there's another Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Federov, Franzen, Holmstrom and Datsyuk in the bunch.
- wonthecup10

I think that Bowman and Kelly are looking to add players first and foremost who can play fast with ability. More and more they want to add size, but they won't knock themselves out trying to mandate it. But they desire that combination: size and can play (make plays)at speed You can believe that they know they need more size and grit on top two lines, which is why Cozens is certainly in their discussion at their roundtable. That being said, of course.they cannot pass on Hughes if available.

And i know that wiz says this too. Specifically about the size and playing at speed

OMG I remember watching Moose Cholak. They used to announce him as being from Moosehead, Maine (I don't remember a Yukon reference). For a kid in Ontario we were totally fascinated by wrestling from Chicago - supposedly it was from Merrigold Arena in Chicago. Probably a fictious place but we believed it.
- RickJ

Moose was my fathers best friend. They were golf partners and on occasion I would join them. Moose was an excellent athlete who in the navy was the boxing and wrestling heavy weight champion. He had a bar on the southest side

I loved Moose Choilak too, he was the character that -peaked my wrestling interest more than any others. My friends told me years ago, he opened a bar in Indiana and was at the bar a lot.
- wiz1901

Bar was on Ewing avenue in the southwest side of Chicago close to calument park

So, JC continues to put his 'stamp' on the team by hiring his buddy from Mora as assistant coach? A guy with ZERO North American coaching experience. This is sure to work.

Next up, the Blackhawks announce they're hiring a podiatrist as team doctor, in order to gain a different 'perspective' on sports medicine.

Then, they insist on a pilot for the team charter who has only flown props. They figure he can learn the whole jet engine thing on the first few team flights.

6 year deal for Brock Nelson.
- Sn1362

I would be remiss not to mention the multiple Bowman fails associate with Brock Nelson.

1. The pick used to draft Nelson was #30 in 2010 which originally belonged to the Blackhawks. Stan traded it for picks #35 and #58
2. At #35 Stan drafted Ludwig Rensfeltd (0 NHL games)
3. At #58 Stan drafted Kent Simpson (played 1 NHL period)
4. Stan passed on Justin Faulk who went at #37
5. Stan passed on Jon Merrill (#38)
6. Stan passed on Tyler Toffoli (#47)
7. Stan passed on Called Jarnkrok (#51)
8. Stan passed (twice) on Jason Zucker (#59)

Stan passed on 6 NHLers for one period of NHL hockey.

So, JC continues to put his 'stamp' on the team by hiring his buddy from Mora as assistant coach? A guy with ZERO North American coaching experience. This is sure to work.

Next up, the Blackhawks announce they're hiring a podiatrist as team doctor, in order to gain a different 'perspective' on sports medicine.

Then, they insist on a pilot for the team charter who has only flown props. They figure he can learn the whole jet engine thing on the first few team flights.



- scottak

Just as much as you're sure it's "sure to work", I'm equally sure it'll never work.

In other words I have no idea and maybe you do from their relative lack of NHL coaching experience, but I'm willing give it more than a partial season where the coach hasn't been able to install what he wants during a camp.

Who knows, but I think the anger seems a bit misplaced. At least he didn't rehire Kitch.

Moose was my fathers best friend. They were golf partners and on occasion I would join them. Moose was an excellent athlete who in the navy was the boxing and wrestling heavy weight champion. He had a bar on the southest side
- molly2522

Mr. Cholak’s obituary from 11/3/2002 in the Tribune.

https://www.chicagotribun...-03-0211030062-story.html

Marigold was an arena on a Broadway and Grace (Uptown neighborhood I think - North Side). I can’t find when it was torn down, but it was.

Jack Brickhouse did the TV play by play of the wrestling. I never went to the Marigold but would watch on TV.

No doubt the Hawks have holes to patch up, but ultimately the deciding factor of how this team fares isn't dependent on how they adjust to the rest of the league, it's how they can use what they currently have, coupled with whatever additions they make to fit the style of play they want to play, and implementing a system that the players all buy into that will breed success.

Playing their own game the way the Colliton envisions (with the roster he envisions) is how this team can return to relevancy.
- TommyHawk

I wouldn't discount the game within the game that we've seen many times, especially in the playoffs. The team can try to play their game, but they absolutely MUST be able to make adjustments to what the opponent throws at them. I'm not disagreeing that they need to all buy into the their system and play their style, they already do that quite well IMO. The issue for me is when the opposition disrupts their game plan they struggle, just like round 1 vs Nashville in 2017. I think we've seen it lately in how the team can be wildly inconsistent and how they seem to just outright fail to match up well at all against some teams. Sometimes the opposition will dictate the play and impose their style on the game, and the Hawks can't fold up shop in that situation. IMO, the need to be better at making adjustments and they need a few more guys who can offer that versatility. I just think that is where we melt down too often, coverage gets blown, etc.. Some Hawks players have the ability and smarts to adjust their game, but maybe their partner or line mate doesn't and all of a sudden the goalie has to bail them out. I just don't think they can have one system and say this is our game plan 100% of the time, because a smart opponent will break that system down.

Just as much as you're sure it's
- HawkintheD"sure to work", I'm equally sure it'll never work.

In other words I have no idea and maybe you do from their relative lack of NHL coaching experience, but I'm willing give it more than a partial season where the coach hasn't been able to install what he wants during a camp.

Who knows, but I think the anger seems a bit misplaced. At least he didn't rehire Kitch.

I'm not angry, just disappointed.