J35Bacher
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 04.03.2014
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Ask yourself one simple question. If the Flyers had a good season last year and made the playoffs, would Hextall still be the GM? It's not about a passion to defend Hextall. It's about I don't believe there is anything he needs to regret. He got screwed in my opinion. - MJL
If the Flyers were playing well and leading the division I think he would have been here. I do believe that.
But they were very inconsistent,i didn't look good and looked like a team that had no push back.
And they didn't look like a team that were going to really do anything to fix it or play there way out of it.
But if they were humming along and playing good hockey I do feel he would still be here.
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MBFlyerfan
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Location: Be nice from now on, NJ Joined: 03.17.2006
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Ask yourself one simple question. If the Flyers had a good season last year and made the playoffs, would Hextall still be the GM? It's not about a passion to defend Hextall. It's about I don't believe there is anything he needs to regret. He got screwed in my opinion. - MJL
Key word here is YOU don't believe he has anything to regret. And yes he did get screwed.
The point trying to be made is that of course Hexy probably has some regrets about things. Either in the way he handled people, or in a move he wanted to make maybe he thought he should have.
It would be natural for him if for no other reason he no longer has a job.
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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i think everyone has regrets, i think its human nature. Im sure he regrets Weise, maybe not immediately, but on the whole, yea. Probably regrets not fixing the goaltending situation 3 years ago than to rely on aging vets/injury prone players. then again, hindsight is 20/20 - sjk540
I think going in as a GM you know that not every move you make is going to pan out. It comes with the territory. I think a GM looks at his overall body of work and realizes the many variables to player acquisitions and how they work out. I've talked about the goaltending situation previously. He was left in a tight spot by the team who had zero goaltender depth. Once Mason imploded and it was clear that they had to move on from him, Hextall didn't want to risk going into the off season without a single NHL caliber goaltender. So he signed Neuvirth. He could've waived or tried to trade Neuvirth and make another move but he rolled the dice and lost on that one.
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Key word here is YOU don't believe he has anything to regret. And yes he did get screwed.
The point trying to be made is that of course Hexy probably has some regrets about things. Either in the way he handled people, or in a move he wanted to make maybe he thought he should have.
It would be natural for him if for no other reason he no longer has a job. - MBFlyerfan
Well I am offering my opinion on it and not stating it as a fact that Hextall doesn't have any regrets. I don't think it's smart to look at in a general sense and say of course he has regrets. That's just not fool proof. He had his way of doing it and I believe that he was on his way to succeeding but the team panicked. I also think that a strong and confident GM doesn't look back and second guess himself. The key here is the repeated mantra that Hextall stated over and over in what he was going to do and how he was going to build the team. He did exactly that and never wavered from his philosophy and for what he was hired to do. I think if had, that is what would've triggered regrets. That's how I see it. |
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SuperSchennBros
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Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot! Joined: 09.01.2012
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If the Flyers were playing well and leading the division I think he would have been here. I do believe that.
But they were very inconsistent,i didn't look good and looked like a team that had no push back.
And they didn't look like a team that were going to really do anything to fix it or play there way out of it.
But if they were humming along and playing good hockey I do feel he would still be here. - J35Bacher
Agreed. |
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SuperSchennBros
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Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot! Joined: 09.01.2012
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I have to say, I don't give a rats ass if a coach is a jerk if they do a good job - nastyflyergirl
Berube was the Flyers coach four or five years ago. Bringing up how great a coach he is now with another team shouldn’t mean anything to you or anyone else who is a fan of the Flyers.
Berube didn’t do a good job here. Sorry. |
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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Brock Nelson 6 x 6. Pretty Happy that’s not us - Just5
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This couldn't be more weaker on your part. If you want to come at me, you're going to need to do a lot better. Nothing simply means nothing. There is no semantics there and to suggest that's what I did, is asinine. What I did is call out a statement that was not accurate.
Your question was a bad one because you are assuming something that is not there. I did not ignore it, I dismissed it as a silly question. - MJL
Arrogance is not fitting for a fool.
I can profile you in a second
With Darth Vadar as your avatar, you are either stuck in childhood fantasies, or that's when life peaked for you and you long for those days again.
You have entirely too much time to post here, which suggests you are either a social recluse, an awkward DH, or unemployed in your mommas basement (as over used as that one is, it may fit)
You're far to technical to be any good with people, so successful entrepreneur is out.
You must be the guy they keep in the closet at work until they can't figure out a computer problem at which time they let you out long enough to fix the problem without being seen. Did I miss any?
For all the fun that was, the most real and sad part of this is that you have enough posts on this site to conclude that this IS your social life. That my friend is the saddest part of all this... |
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opeth_pa
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Location: The Implication Joined: 12.13.2011
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Ask yourself one simple question. If the Flyers had a good season last year and made the playoffs, would Hextall still be the GM? It's not about a passion to defend Hextall. It's about I don't believe there is anything he needs to regret. He got screwed in my opinion. - MJL
I just can't agree with the he got screwed part.
Business is a results driven endeavor and the facts are the Flyers regressed last season.
You can list a million reasons why , some of which Im sure we would all agree with , but he still , as a leader, didn't lead the team to the ultimate goal. |
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ClaudeFather
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Location: west haven, CT Joined: 08.14.2015
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Well I am offering my opinion on it and not stating it as a fact that Hextall doesn't have any regrets. I don't think it's smart to look at in a general sense and say of course he has regrets. That's just not fool proof. He had his way of doing it and I believe that he was on his way to succeeding but the team panicked. I also think that a strong and confident GM doesn't look back and second guess himself. The key here is the repeated mantra that Hextall stated over and over in what he was going to do and how he was going to build the team. He did exactly that and never wavered from his philosophy and for what he was hired to do. I think if had, that is what would've triggered regrets. That's how I see it. - MJL
Soo how long was the philosophy going to take, 6-8 years??? I'm sure he regrets going into the season with an Elliot and Neuvy combo, and if he doesn't he is a fool and i'm happy he's gone. |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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I just can't agree with the he got screwed part.
Business is a results driven endeavor and the facts are the Flyers regressed last season.
You can list a million reasons why , some of which Im sure we would all agree with , but he still , as a leader, didn't lead the team to the ultimate goal. - opeth_pa
He wasn't given a legitimate chance to see it through and was fired prematurely. It took 2-3 years just to correct the situation from the previous GM. They the organization panicked and wanted to go back to doing it the old way instead of letting Hextall finish what he started.
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Soo how long was the philosophy going to take, 6-8 years??? I'm sure he regrets going into the season with an Elliot and Neuvy combo, and if he doesn't he is a fool and i'm happy he's gone. - ClaudeFather
Realistically, yes. I still think we're a couple of years away. I think a GM can look back in hindsight and say a move was a mistake and learn from but that doesn't necessarily mean he regrets the reason why the decision was made. You have to learn and grow as a GM but regrets are a different animal.
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ClaudeFather
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Location: west haven, CT Joined: 08.14.2015
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Realistically, yes. I still think we're a couple of years away. I think a GM can look back in hindsight and say a move was a mistake and learn from but that doesn't necessarily mean he regrets the reason why the decision was made. You have to learn and grow as a GM but regrets are a different animal. - MJL
That's just to long to take, he failed. Ron Hextall has been around the NHL how long? There is no way his vision of the philosophy would be taking 6+ years because he knows damn well that no organization would allow you to keep your job (in a big market like Philadelphia) just making or missing the playoffs. The bottom line is he failed to make the moves necessary for the team to progress. Idc, and neither did management, that in 2022 we MIGHT have good players from our prospect pool, they want to win. |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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That's just to long to take, he failed. Ron Hextall has been around the NHL how long? There is no way his vision of the philosophy would be taking 6+ years because he knows damn well that no organization would allow you to keep your job (in a big market like Philadelphia) just making or missing the playoffs. The bottom line is he failed to make the moves necessary for the team to progress. Idc, and neither did management, that in 2022 we MIGHT have good players from our prospect pool, they want to win. - ClaudeFather
You have to take 3 years right off of the top just to improve the cap and build up the farm system. We're still looking at having to wait until the young defenseman get to the point of being able to be the defense of a contending team and they aren't there yet. A good two years away from that. Their starting goalie is 20 years old. So much youth still on the way.
If you wanted to continue to wheel and deal and remain a cap team to try and win every year, they hired the wrong GM. They knew and agreed to Hextall's plan and then bailed on it.
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He wasn't given a legitimate chance to see it through and was fired prematurely. It took 2-3 years just to correct the situation from the previous GM. They the organization panicked and wanted to go back to doing it the old way instead of letting Hextall finish what he started. - MJL
This (bold) is where I think you are mistaken. Also, this is the part where we once again speak in hushed tones of admiration of a mystical “middle ground.” At any rate, it does exist, and I am watchfully waiting to see if Fletcher’s got this.
I don’t want to speak of Hextall’s personal reflections as I really don’t know. |
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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This (bold) is where I think you are mistaken. Also, this is the part where we once again speak in hushed tones of admiration of a mystical “middle ground.” At any rate, it does exist, and I am watchfully waiting to see if Fletcher’s got this.
I don’t want to speak of Hextall’s personal reflections as I really don’t know. - NC Flyers Fan
As soon as Fletcher takes over, he is going to trade all of our picks/prospects to save the season. |
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As soon as Fletcher takes over, he is going to trade all of our picks/prospects to save the season. - jmatchett383
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2Real
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Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA Joined: 07.14.2007
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Arrogance is not fitting for a fool.
You're far to technical to be any good with people, so successful entrepreneur is out.
- BadCowboyDan
Zuckerberg is awful with people and look at him
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StepfordSam
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 02.06.2017
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It's true. Hextall did get screwed and it really grinds me that we won't get to see the penultimate result of his plan.
Personally, I think he erred in not blowing up the core of the team at the start. May have bought him some more time due to lowered expectations and growing excitement.
But his overall strategy of team building was sound and management knew what they were getting. They got scared. Plain and simple. |
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ClaudeFather
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Location: west haven, CT Joined: 08.14.2015
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You have to take 3 years right off of the top just to improve the cap and build up the farm system. We're still looking at having to wait until the young defenseman get to the point of being able to be the defense of a contending team and they aren't there yet. A good two years away from that. Their starting goalie is 20 years old. So much youth still on the way.
If you wanted to continue to wheel and deal and remain a cap team to try and win every year, they hired the wrong GM. They knew and agreed to Hextall's plan and then bailed on it. - MJL
They were not waiting 6 years. All of us know the Flyers organization would not accept that, he failed, get over it. |
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goenzoy
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Joined: 04.11.2014
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Berube was the Flyers coach four or five years ago. Bringing up how great a coach he is now with another team shouldn’t mean anything to you or anyone else who is a fan of the Flyers.
Berube didn’t do a good job here. Sorry. - SuperSchennBros
True in a way.Without the way the Blues are built it would be also a different story for Chief.But trusting Binnington was clearly him |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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This (bold) is where I think you are mistaken. Also, this is the part where we once again speak in hushed tones of admiration of a mystical “middle ground.” At any rate, it does exist, and I am watchfully waiting to see if Fletcher’s got this.
I don’t want to speak of Hextall’s personal reflections as I really don’t know. - NC Flyers Fan
I don't think I am mistaken. Of course there is nuance to it and different levels of it. We're at the point where Fletcher has to make some moves rather than looking for the right moves to make. He has to find the best deal he can make rather than being able to pass and remain patient.
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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They were not waiting 6 years. All of us know the Flyers organization would not accept that, he failed, get over it. - ClaudeFather
We all know they weren't willing to wait that long which is why they fired Hextall. That's a different conversation. Stating that he failed is nonsense.
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jmatchett383
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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Berube was the Flyers coach four or five years ago. Bringing up how great a coach he is now with another team shouldn’t mean anything to you or anyone else who is a fan of the Flyers.
Berube didn’t do a good job here. Sorry. - SuperSchennBros
Berube took over a team with no direction (prior to the Washingtoin brawl) and led them to within 1 goal in Game 7 of the team that won the conference that year.
Hakstol was given a team that has had (in my opinion) a much better team, talent-wise, and did not have near the same success.
It might not be a high bar, but given the choice between the two, give me Berube. |
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goenzoy
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Joined: 04.11.2014
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Berube took over a team with no direction (prior to the Washingtoin brawl) and led them to within 1 goal in Game 7 of the team that won the conference that year.
Hakstol was given a team that has had (in my opinion) a much better team, talent-wise, and did not have near the same success.
It might not be a high bar, but given the choice between the two, give me Berube. - jmatchett383
They are very different as coaches.First year of Hakstol was great.
Much better neutral zone plays and miles more one goal games |
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