Jimbo, if they signed EK, they would need to get rid of Cernak or Foote. No room for both. Cernak would be a RFA next year where as Foote would have 3 years on an ELC on the 3rd pair. I definitely see a fit there.
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May 23 @ 3:01 PM ET
What, why? - eichiefs9
Cause you know Foote is automatically 3rd pair for... reasons. Not like you could move him up the lineup because he improves, balances your pairs out, or McD loses another step.
best thing is that Columbus is a division rival and they are pretty barren with draft picks right now
them and San Jose, traded a hell of a lot of picks lately - jimbro83
After years of defending a team who did exactly that, I'm not sure I'll ever be down with it again. Mortgaging the future can really be a kick in the nuts some times. If it works out, totally worth it. But if it doesn't work out, it makes it worse by tenfold.
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May 23 @ 3:12 PM ET
After years of defending a team who did exactly that, I'm not sure I'll ever be down with it again. Mortgaging the future can really be a kick in the nuts some times. If it works out, totally worth it. But if it doesn't work out, it makes it worse by tenfold. - Bean_Dip
Yeah, but there has to be a time you go for it. I think the Rangers did it pretty much right. They just couldn't win the cup. But would I trade those playoffs for late 1sts, not a chance in hell.
Yeah, but there has to be a time you go for it. I think the Rangers did it pretty much right. They just couldn't win the cup. But would I trade those playoffs for late 1sts, not a chance in hell. - mdw7413
Yeah, you're probably right. But going years and years and years without a first probably wasn't the best move. Should have more of a balanced approach, or at least a better scouting department
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May 23 @ 3:16 PM ET
After years of defending a team who did exactly that, I'm not sure I'll ever be down with it again. Mortgaging the future can really be a kick in the nuts some times. If it works out, totally worth it. But if it doesn't work out, it makes it worse by tenfold. - Bean_Dip
We have tanked our future pretty bad doing this, but I'd argue what they did was way worse. They have to potential if they resign Duchene to have exactly 1 pick in the first 3 rounds the next two drafts. We had no pics before the 3rd twice, but we always seemed to have a decent amount of later round picks. They only have a couple picks the entire draft! They pick in the 2nd and don't have another until the 7th. That's really bad.
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May 23 @ 3:19 PM ET
Yeah, but there has to be a time you go for it. I think the Rangers did it pretty much right. They just couldn't win the cup. But would I trade those playoffs for late 1sts, not a chance in hell. - mdw7413
I mostly agree what you said, but we also knew we had a leg up on the college UFA market. Getting Hayes and Vesey was huge, and really Erixon was too considering he helped lynchpin the Nash trade. We also have a better drafting record than people give us credit for. We turned no 1st and 2nd in 2013 effectively into Buch and 18 months of Keith Yandle.
Cause you know Foote is automatically 3rd pair for... reasons. Not like you could move him up the lineup because he improves, balances your pairs out, or McD loses another step. - 2sticks1puck
I just don't get the reasoning behind "they're going to be tight against the cap so they need to trade two dirt-cheap defenseman"
They could dump Jan Rutta for nothing and gain almost as much cap space as they would losing Cernak AND Foote
This is if they sign EK. I said they’d have to get rid of Foote or Cernak, both righties. Could they keep them? Ya, but would they be better off getting a nice return?
Hedman EK
McD Cernak
Sergachev Foote
Could work but is Sergachev worth more on the 3rd pair or getting a nice return for one of Foote/Cernak and putting Sergachev with McD.
We have tanked our future pretty bad doing this, but I'd argue what they did was way worse. They have to potential if they resign Duchene to have exactly 1 pick in the first 3 rounds the next two drafts. We had no pics before the 3rd twice, but we always seemed to have a decent amount of later round picks. They only have a couple picks the entire draft! They pick in the 2nd and don't have another until the 7th. That's really bad. - 2sticks1puck
Oh yeah, not making a comparison between either. Just trading it all away in general. I do agree, there does have to be a time to go for it. I think there is a better way to do it than giving up two seconds and a prospect for (frank)ing E.Staal
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May 23 @ 3:25 PM ET
Yeah, you're probably right. But going years and years and years without a first probably wasn't the best move. Should have more of a balanced approach, or at least a better scouting department - Bean_Dip
I get what you are thinking, cause it is pretty awesome having all these picks and then getting the 2nd was almost as exciting as winning a playoff round
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May 23 @ 3:28 PM ET
Oh yeah, not making a comparison between either. Just trading it all away in general. I do agree, there does have to be a time to go for it. I think there is a better way to do it than giving up two seconds and a prospect for (frank)ing E.Staal - Bean_Dip
Well that was awful and my thoughts when announced are well known Especially because that year they really weren't a good team. I think like Jimbo pointed out, they went on a good run got themselves into playoff position and decided to be buyers. I think that should have been the year of the rebuild.
Well that was awful and my thoughts when announced are well known Especially because that year they really weren't a good team. I think like Jimbo pointed out, they went on a good run got themselves into playoff position and decided to be buyers. I think that should have been the year of the rebuild. - mdw7413
I think I was excited they were still going for it, but knew it was a bad idea. It's those sort of trades that can really be painful to the org. Making deals to get guys like Yandle and St. Louis, definitely worth it.
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What I'm hearing: Kessel at the moment is not leaning towards waiving his NTC to go to Minnesota but that doesn't mean it ultimately couldn't happen eventually. However, there are a few clubs on his 8-team YES list that have contacted Pittsburgh so we'll see where that goes...
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May 23 @ 3:36 PM ET
This is if they sign EK. I said they’d have to get rid of Foote or Cernak, both righties. Could they keep them? Ya, but would they be better off getting a nice return?
Hedman EK
McD Cernak
Sergachev Foote
Could work but is Sergachev worth more on the 3rd pair or getting a nice return for one of Foote/Cernak and putting Sergachev with McD. - nyrangers9479
Drop McD o the third pair? He's getting wear on his tires so to speak, could help limit his minutes. Plus, Sergachev might already be better than McD right now
This is if they sign EK. I said they’d have to get rid of Foote or Cernak, both righties. Could they keep them? Ya, but would they be better off getting a nice return?
Hedman EK
McD Cernak
Sergachev Foote
Could work but is Sergachev worth more on the 3rd pair or getting a nice return for one of Foote/Cernak and putting Sergachev with McD. - nyrangers9479
Don't get so hung up on handedness. They could just as easily switch one to play the left side. Is it 100% ideal? No. But it's 100,000x more ideal than trading a talented young defenseman on an ELC
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May 23 @ 3:38 PM ET
Oh yeah, not making a comparison between either. Just trading it all away in general. I do agree, there does have to be a time to go for it. I think there is a better way to do it than giving up two seconds and a prospect for (frank)ing E.Staal - Bean_Dip
The Staal trade was bad, but the reasoning was OK. Like I said with SJ earlier, that was thought as one of our last best shots considering we had gone to the final and ECF the two years prior. I'm OK with that gamble in general.
Dallas team media personalities weigh in on bringing back Zuccarello:
On a scale of 1-10, what would you say are the chances Mats Zuccarello signs a long-term deal to remain with the Stars? Do you believe a Zuccarello deal is the team's top priority entering the summer?
Mike Heika, DallasStars.com senior staff writer: I'm going to give it a 6 right now.
Everything I have heard is that the Stars' main priority in the offseason is to get Mats Zuccarello signed to a contract extension, but then the questions come up on how long and if Zuccarello wants to play the rest of his career in Dallas. Zuccarello will turn 32 on Sept. 1, so a five-year extension would take him through age 37. That's pretty late in a player's career, so the guess is the Stars would want a four-year extension.
If Zuccarello feels that he can get a five-year deal, that could make negotiations a little bit tougher. Because Zuccarello has played his entire career in New York, he might want to see what the interest is on the East Coast, and that might mean he would want to test unrestricted free agency on July 1. He's earned the right, and he might just tell the Stars he wants to wait. The Stars could be patient and allow Zuccarello to study the market in hopes he would still find his best fit back in Dallas, but there are other factors here.
If the Stars re-sign Zuccarello, they give up their first-round pick in 2020. If they do not, they yield their third-round pick. As such, the team might want a sign of reciprocation on the cost of investment in Zuccarello, and might want to get a deal done before July 1. It's an intriguing dance.
I believe the Stars believe that losing the first-round pick is fine because there is a chance it is a pick in the late 20s. My guess is they would rather not lose the first-round pick and overpay for Zuccarello in contract, too. That could mean they face a tough decision if Zuccarello wants to hit it out of the park this summer.
Brien Rea, host of 'Stars Live' on FOX Sports Southwest: Do I think re-signing Mats Zuccarello is a top priority? Absolutely, yes.
Even though the cost will be the length of the contract and a 2020 first-round pick, I think it's worth it. The Stars are in a window right now to win, Zuccarello is a proven commodity with this team as good as any other top-six forward option that Jim Nill could find on the free agent market. A 2020 first-round pick won't potentially start producing value for at least three years. Key players are locked in for the next few seasons, and Zuccarello's playmaking can round out this team's offense.
I'll sidestep the 1-10 scale and say I'm 50/50 on whether or not Mats Zuccarello will wear a Stars jersey next season. The main reason? I don't know enough about Zuccarello's motivations for what likely will be the last big contract of his career. What is he looking for? Length? Money? Chances to win? No state taxes? Or something else entirely? I'm confident in Jim Nill's ability to navigate the waters of the free agent market to keep him, but I am curious to see how Zuccarello navigates through free agency for the first time in his career.
Owen Newkirk, Dallas Stars radio host: I am an optimist by nature, so I'm going to say a solid seven.
To be blunt, Mats Zuccarello makes the Stars a better team. We have heard this fact from Jim Nill, Jim Montgomery -- basically the entire 2018-19 Stars roster and pretty much all of the Stars fans with which I have had the pleasure of interacting. Every aspect of the player received rave reviews; from his speed and tenacity, to his world-class passing ability and his seemingly instant chemistry with the roster both on and off ice. Of course, as a pending UFA, the ball is entirely in Zuccarello's court. Understandably, he kept his cards very close to his chest when addressing the media after the playoff run came to an end. But I think the short stint he had in Texas showed that he's not only a good fit, but that he can come in and have a chance to win with this group right now.
To answer the second part, Nill made it abundantly clear that getting Zuccarello re-signed was a main order of his offseason business this summer. I am completely fine with the inherent cost; the team's 2020 first-round pick plus a contract, which I am guessing would look similar to what Alexander Radulov signed two seasons ago.
Zuccarello had nothing but glowing comments to the press about his brief time in Dallas (aside from his frustration at being injured and missing so many regular season games). That's a good sign for the Stars, but not a guarantee. If for some reason, Zuccarello decides to sign elsewhere, then Nill's priority will be filling the top-six slot vacated by the electrifying Norwegian
