If he did, who knows lol. Definitely the squirrels demonstrated the ability to learn. Unlike me, who keeps eating the things.
- Zezel

I couldn't eat them, no thank you

Your wording. I said if not traded he counts against the cap on opening day. Leaves 77.7m cap space for 23 players if i read the CBA LTIR correctly. Am i right or wrong or will you continue on about offseason 10% overage is allowed which has nothing to do with the real season? There is not enough cap left to sign all of Marner Kap & Johnsson til something gives. Do you not understand this crux point? To answer your question it has nothing to do with the price of weed in BC 🤪🌬🌬

Eh if i am wrong i’ve no problem if corrected on the CBA. Thx
- Nighthawk

I already posted it in th nucks thread. Horton can be put on ltir in the summer, don't have to wait till last day of training camp.


https://www.sportsnet.ca/...-matt-duchene-still-open/

2. I thought Toronto was vulnerable with Connor Brown, a really good player who wouldn’t cost four first-rounders, but the Maple Leafs’ use of “Summer LTIR” gave them room. Admittedly, that wrinkle caught me by surprise, but after doing some digging, this is not a move Lou Lamoriello is unfamiliar with. In 2005, right out of that lockout and the new CBA, the Devils became the first team to use this option, when Patrik Elias came down with Hepatitis after spending that season in Russia. (I believe Philadelphia also used it. The Flyers were on LTIR for about a decade.)

He corrected you in the Nucks thread.
- TrashPanda

Nope. So you also claim LTIR’s are freebies & have no cap consequences at seasons start? If yes then why does any team trade them & give a sweetener to do so?

Nope. So you also claim LTIR’s are freebies & have no cap consequences at seasons start? If yes then why does any team trade them & give a sweetener to do so?
- Nighthawk

Yes I did. You didn't read it did you?

Here we go

Yes I did. You didn't read it did you?
- burn

Then summarized it is Horton is a freebie all the time according to you. Cap space is also accrued during the season. There is zero impact on the cap being smaller than $83m.

Gotcha 👍

Nope. So you also claim LTIR’s are freebies & have no cap consequences at seasons start? If yes then why does any team trade them & give a sweetener to do so?
- Nighthawk

Lou decided he didn't like the rule so he changed it.

LTIR can be applied in the off-season now.

Then summarized it is Horton is a freebie all the time according to you. Cap space is also accrued during the season. There is zero impact on the cap being smaller than $83m.

Gotcha 👍
- Nighthawk

From CapFriendly

Can LTIR be used in the off-season?
Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.

At the start of the season the teams LTIR relief & ACSL is recalculated when the 10% cushion is removed.

Nope. So you also claim LTIR’s are freebies & have no cap consequences at seasons start? If yes then why does any team trade them & give a sweetener to do so?
- Nighthawk

Sigh...

I would argue with you, but why ruin a perfectly good uninformed position with facts?

Lou decided he didn't like the rule so he changed it.

LTIR can be applied in the off-season now.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Sounds like what Lou would do 😂😂

Then summarized it is Horton is a freebie all the time according to you. Cap space is also accrued during the season. There is zero impact on the cap being smaller than $83m.

Gotcha 👍
- Nighthawk

The nhl cba is wrong.

Elliot Friedman is wrong

Nhl teams who have done it before are wrong.

Because you said so.


I thought you said you had no problem admitting you were wrong?

Sigh...

I would argue with you, but why ruin a perfectly good uninformed position with facts?
- TrashPanda

Cuz idgaf about offseason 10% overages.
Golf season isn’t hockey season.

From CapFriendly
- Steven_Seagull

I've posted the Friedman article 2x today for him, and yet still in denial.

But he has no problem if corrected by the cba.

Your wording. I said if not traded he counts against the cap on opening day. Leaves 77.7m cap space for 23 players if i read the CBA LTIR correctly. Am i right or wrong or will you continue on about offseason 10% overage is allowed which has nothing to do with the real season? There is not enough cap left to sign all of Marner Kap & Johnsson til something gives. Do you not understand this crux point? To answer your question it has nothing to do with the price of weed in BC 🤪🌬🌬

Eh if i am wrong i’ve no problem if corrected on the CBA. Thx
- Nighthawk

Cuz idgaf about offseason 10% overages.
Golf season isn’t hockey season.
- Nighthawk

Psst, the proof that was provided wasn't about 10% summer overage

The nhl cba is wrong.

Elliot Friedman is wrong

Nhl teams who have done it before are wrong.

Because you said so.


I thought you said you had no problem admitting you were wrong?
- burn

The Leafs can have a 88.3m cap with Horton on LTIR bringing it to the 83m. If your claim is correct how does ACSL get calculated?

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq

I earlier posted the entire LTIR from the CBA not a snippet.

Psst, the proof that was provided wasn't about 10% summer overage
- burn

They don’t play NHL hockey in the summer. Next?

Current cap situation

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs

Why is Horton currently counting?

They don’t play NHL hockey in the summer. Next?
- Nighthawk

Irrelevant.

Current cap situation

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs

Why is Horton counting?
- Nighthawk

The Leafs are still under the cap, they don’t have to place him on LTIR yet.

They don’t play NHL hockey in the summer. Next?
- Nighthawk

Horton will be on ltir before training camp starts, which is in contrast to what you specifically said that they must keep him in cap until game one. It has been proven false multiple times.

Friedman article says so, and a couple teams have done so in the past

Capgeek says so.


But they're all wrong cause you said so.




"But if I'm wrong I have no problem with that"

The Leafs are still under the cap, they don’t have to place him on LTIR yet.
- Steven_Seagull

The Leafs are still under the cap, they don’t have to place him on LTIR yet.
- Steven_Seagull

I understand that. To end all of this guess we will wait & see come Day 1 of next season. So far it’s been 50/50 on which way it works. Like i said right or wrong i’m cool but til then i maintain LTIR doesn’t come free & the claw back is the ACSL.

The Leafs are still under the cap, they don’t have to place him on LTIR yet.
- Steven_Seagull

This makes too much sense - next...

I’ll try returning here once the season starts. I’ll either eat massive crow or simply read the posts here. No gloating if right & eating crow could be on the menu. Til then i’ll look up some crow dishes just in case.

😂👍🍺

On that note I’ll leave you with this...

https://theleafsnation.co...-be-cautious-in-using-it/