I absolutely agree. I’m just saying for those suggesting we couldn’t package him up with Kessel that it’s a pretty ridiculous statement. Would the return be great? Of course not, but it is possible
- WSCTeton17

No, it’s not and it is ridiculous, and while Im not great at trade ideas, I can tell you for certain that it’s not possible.

No, it’s not and it is ridiculous, and while Im not great at trade ideas, I can tell you for certain that it’s not possible.
- Rinosaur

You’re trying to tell us that JJ’s $1MM AAV buyout is so putrid that negates all of Phil’s value? Sorry man, that’s laughable. He’s a point per game player who’s good on the peeper. There are plenty of teams who need a guy like that and would buyout JJ in a heartbeat to do it. It’s not going to happen because we’re keeping JJ, but the idea that it isn’t possible is laughable. Wait, does Letang fall under the same category too?

You’re trying to tell us that JJ’s $1MM AAV buyout is so putrid that negates all of Phil’s value? Sorry man, that’s laughable. He’s a point per game player who’s good on the peeper. There are plenty of teams who need a guy like that and would buyout JJ in a heartbeat to do it. It’s not going to happen because we’re keeping JJ, but the idea that it isn’t possible is laughable. Wait, does Letang fall under the same category too?
- WSCTeton17

Letang? What the poop are you even talking about? You couldn’t make less sense.

You think teams would take on a salary and just buy out so easily? They still have to pay them out of their pocket!

A team might do it if they’re getting someone like Geno, but not Phil.

Letang? What the poop are you even talking about? You couldn’t make less sense.

You think teams would take on a salary and just buy out so easily? They still have to pay them out of their pocket!

A team might do it if they’re getting someone like Geno, but not Phil.
- Rinosaur

I’m saying is Letang’s value fully negated by JJ in a trade too or is it just Phil and people less valuable than him. Literally within the realm of the same convo

The Avs just took Orpik and bought him out for the Caps and the Habs did the same for Steve Mason. Sure the players money due was a lot less but so was their returns. The Coyotes still pay part of Hossa’s contract, same goes for guys like Horton, Pronger etc.

The discussion is moot because GMJR doesn’t want to move JJ. The idea that you need to trade a generational talent to unload JJ is astronomically stupid imo. Didn’t you just have JJ going to Ottawa on your armchair GM? Wasn’t it like JJ, a 2nd and a 4th for a late pick? Are you then saying Kessel isn’t worth that other stuff? Hmmm...

I’m saying is Letang’s value fully negated by JJ in a trade too or is it just Phil and people less valuable than him. Literally within the realm of the same convo

The Avs just took Orpik and bought him out for the Caps and the Habs did the same for Steve Mason. Sure the players money due was a lot less but so was their returns. The Coyotes still pay part of Hossa’s contract, same goes for guys like Horton, Pronger etc.

The discussion is moot because GMJR doesn’t want to move JJ. The idea that you need to trade a generational talent to unload JJ is astronomically stupid imo. Didn’t you just have JJ going to Ottawa on your armchair GM? Wasn’t it like JJ, a 2nd and a 4th for a late pick? Are you then saying Kessel isn’t worth that other stuff? Hmmm...
- WSCTeton17

You realize the buyouts you mentioned were for like two years, right? Buying out JJ puts any team on the hook for eight years with a bump in the 22/23 season.

JJ Buyout Caphit:
2019-20 $270,833
2020-21 $1,270,833
2021-22 $1,270,833
2022-23 $2,020,833
2023-24 $1,020,833
2024-25 $1,020,833
2025-26 $1,020,833
2026-27 $1,020,833

EDIT: And no, my armchair included a pick, ZAR and retained salary. Nice try though!

You realize the buyouts you mentioned were for like two years, right? Buying out JJ puts any team on the hook for eight years with a bump in the 22/23 season.

JJ Buyout Caphit:
2019-20 $270,833
2020-21 $1,270,833
2021-22 $1,270,833
2022-23 $2,020,833
2023-24 $1,020,833
2024-25 $1,020,833
2025-26 $1,020,833
2026-27 $1,020,833

EDIT: And no, my armchair included a pick, ZAR and retained salary. Nice try though!
- Rinosaur

The next 3 years is the only thing that matters. Not to mention the fact the immediate help of not having JJ suck. Find a 2 mil bottom pairing D and you probably get a better player at the same cost.

It won't happen however. Rutherford has been completely defiant on the JJ issue.

You realize the buyouts you mentioned were for like two years, right? Buying out JJ puts any team on the hook for eight years with a bump in the 22/23 season.

EDIT: And no, my armchair included a pick, ZAR and retained salary.
- Rinosaur

So we’re still retaining $750,000 of JJ? The buyout averages just over $1MM. So you’re trading ZAR and a 2nd for a 4th, a 5th and $257,000 AAV cap space. For all the complaining we talk about from GMJR that just doesn’t make sense. Not to mention it’s still going to take a 1st to unload him

Going back to what you said: it would take Geno to unload JJ straight up. So Kessel, Letang or Murray on their own aren’t enough... but somehow ZAR and a 2nd is worth JJ at $2.5MM to Ottawa. Very curious

So we agree that players with more term require more incentive to take on than players with shorter terms. To take on Steve Mason at $4.1MM it cost Armia (33 point pace in a middle 6 role) a 7th and a 4th. To take on Orpik at $5.5 for a year the Avs got Grubauer (923 sv% at the time) and the 47th pick.

Ryan Callahan has far more value than JJ. For someone like him you could get away with a ZAR type and a 2nd. If your offer is Kessel and JJ for a 3rd round pick I bet you a dozen teams or more make that trade and they trade Phil for more and either bury JJ or buy him out after a year.

What’s Phil worth to you? In relative terms I’ll say Phil is worth two late firsts and a third rounder. Even if you say Phil is worth one first rounder, you’re saying a first rounder isn’t enough to unload JJ but ZAR and a 2nd is? I just don’t see it

The next 3 years is the only thing that matters. Not to mention the fact the immediate help of not having JJ suck. Find a 2 mil bottom pairing D and you probably get a better player at the same cost.

It won't happen however. Rutherford has been completely defiant on the JJ issue.
- madmike71

YOU STAY OUTTA THIS, MIKE!


Lol jk

Sometimes players just leave because they want more. It wouldn’t surprise me, and I’ve said this before, that Schultz would want to play on a team with a better D partner and where he has a shot at PP1. If he goes to NSH maybe he gets both opportunities and re-signs.

There will a line of teams wanting him next offseason likely including Vegas, Nashville (if they want to move on from PK), Colorado if Barrie prices himself out (Hi Cole!), St.Louis if they move Pietrangelo (let’s not pretend like these rumors ever went away), Winnipeg, etc etc. Point is there are more ideal fits for him if he wants out
- WSCTeton17

If Kessel is traded, he might be on the top PP here.

I think that would be a fantastic pole: what are some of our players worth. If Kessel and Schultz get you let’s say subban and a 3rd. What’s Schultz worth as a rental rn? I would say it has to be a first and a third, right? Maybe even including a prospect. So what’s Phil worth? A first and two seconds? Two firsts and a third? And what is Subban worth.. is he worth three first rounders? Or to put it another way, is he worth maybe Hallander and two firsts? But Schultz has to go out.. so without Phil is Subban worth Schultz, a 1st and a 2nd (or equivalents)?

If Kessel is traded, he might be on the top PP here.
- Tojo.

True, entirely possible. But if Subban comes back then he certainly gets that spot over Schultz

If all it cost to get Phil in AZ was Crouse and a 1st I would do it in a heartbeat. Problem is, that’s not fair value for a PPG player

To all of you who read a long post of mine and say to yourself “this is a lot to take in” I say unto thee... that’s what she said

I've often said that you have to have luck to win the cup and that part of the luck is injuries. Blues got really lucky for tonight. Thats 3 big time major role players out.

So we’re still retaining $750,000 of JJ? The buyout averages just over $1MM. So you’re trading ZAR and a 2nd for a 4th, a 5th and $257,000 AAV cap space. For all the complaining we talk about from GMJR that just doesn’t make sense. Not to mention it’s still going to take a 1st to unload him

Going back to what you said: it would take Geno to unload JJ straight up. So Kessel, Letang or Murray on their own aren’t enough... but somehow ZAR and a 2nd is worth JJ at $2.5MM to Ottawa. Very curious

So we agree that players with more term require more incentive to take on than players with shorter terms. To take on Steve Mason at $4.1MM it cost Armia (33 point pace in a middle 6 role) a 7th and a 4th. To take on Orpik at $5.5 for a year the Avs got Grubauer (923 sv% at the time) and the 47th pick.

Ryan Callahan has far more value than JJ. For someone like him you could get away with a ZAR type and a 2nd. If your offer is Kessel and JJ for a 3rd round pick I bet you a dozen teams or more make that trade and they trade Phil for more and either bury JJ or buy him out after a year.

What’s Phil worth to you? In relative terms I’ll say Phil is worth two late firsts and a third rounder. Even if you say Phil is worth one first rounder, you’re saying a first rounder isn’t enough to unload JJ but ZAR and a 2nd is? I just don’t see it
- WSCTeton17

I'm sorry, can you repeat that?

The next 3 years is the only thing that matters. Not to mention the fact the immediate help of not having JJ suck. Find a 2 mil bottom pairing D and you probably get a better player at the same cost.

It won't happen however. Rutherford has been completely defiant on the JJ issue.
- madmike71

The next three years only matter for the Pens. He's talking about moving him to another team so they buy him out. They likely won't feel the same.

The next three years only matter for the Pens. He's talking about moving him to another team so they buy him out. They likely won't feel the same.
- Rinosaur

I am. My opinion has not changed.

Btw, Mr.Gadorki, proof that you’re biased against me on here: you appreciated my post on capfriendly lol. But on here I’m “too wordy.. don’t make sense.. add no value” You even went as far as to call me “a normal person”

I've often said that you have to have luck to win the cup and that part of the luck is injuries. Blues got really lucky for tonight. Thats 3 big time major role players out.
- MattStrat

What a sport this is that a team that was in dead last midway through the season is in the SCF.

Go Blues, I guess? I don’t think I hate Boston’s guts like a lot of people on here but I’m certainly not gonna root for them. But the Blues are just damn boring. I don’t think there’s a team in the league that I have less opinions about than the Blues. Maybe the Coyotes?

I am. My opinion has not changed.

Btw, Mr.Gadorki, proof that you’re biased against me on here: you appreciated my post on capfriendly lol. But on here I’m “too wordy.. don’t make sense.. add no value” You even went as far as to call me “a normal person”
- WSCTeton17

Congratulations, you made sense somewhere. Maybe try and do it again.

What a sport this is that a team that was in dead last midway through the season is in the SCF.

Go Blues, I guess? I don’t think I hate Boston’s guts like a lot of people on here but I’m certainly not gonna root for them. But the Blues are just damn boring. I don’t think there’s a team in the league that I have less opinions about than the Blues. Maybe the Coyotes?
- Victoro311

I don’t hate Boston, I hate Marchand. I’m pulling for the Blues, but I think they’re going to get stomped.

I don’t hate Boston, I hate Marchand. I’m pulling for the Blues, but I think they’re going to get stomped.
- Rinosaur

I agree. Boston in 5. I guess it’ll be cool to see Chara retire on a Cup. Dude is an all time great.

Congratulations, you made sense somewhere. Maybe try and do it again.
- Rinosaur

Made sense? You’re quite the hypocrite, thanking me for not putting “LOL” and other stuff while piecing together a meaningful post (same as I do here) but you did that to some other guy this very blog. You’re kinda just being a lame bully so I don’t mind bringing up again how you thought Bobby Ryan had good footspeed, that Oleksiak had more points than Petts, that Florida would want Hornqvist when their top 6 is jammed and they’re possibly looking at Panarin, your 20-man Penguins roster that’s pushing an $83MM cap to name a few off the top of my head

I may be nitpicky and provide more info than needed, but at least I’m consistent and don’t shame others for doing something and then do the exact same thing

Made sense? You’re quite the hypocrite, thanking me for not putting “LOL” and other stuff while piecing together a meaningful post (same as I do here) but you did that to some other guy this very blog. You’re kinda just being a lame bully so I don’t mind bringing up again how you thought Bobby Ryan had good footspeed, that Oleksiak had more points than Petts, that Florida would want Hornqvist when their top 6 is jammed and they’re possibly looking at Panarin, your 20-man Penguins roster that’s pushing an $83MM cap to name a few off the top of my head

I may be nitpicky and provide more info than needed, but at least I’m consistent and don’t shame others for doing something and then do the exact same thing
- WSCTeton17

Could you go into a little more detail?

I agree. Boston in 5. I guess it’ll be cool to see Chara retire on a Cup. Dude is an all time great.
- Victoro311

Chakra is signed for next year. He’d be sticking g the Bruins with his full cap hit of he were to retire.

LMAO

For the football guys here. Ron Cook about Roethlisberger.

At least that’s what I expect him to say. Here’s what I wish he would say:

• On Brown’s claim that Roethlisberger has an “owner’s mentality, like he can call out anybody including coaches”:

“What A.B. won’t tell you is how many times I covered for him by not calling him out. Do you know how many times he ran the wrong routes? Or pouted when the ball wasn’t thrown his way enough? I constantly was trying to keep him happy. I’m glad he’s gone. Best of luck to Derek Carr in Oakland.”

• On Bell, who said Roethlisberger wants to win his way, freezes out teammates he’s not happy with and is tough to play with:

“We won two Super Bowls and played in a third before Le’Veon got here. We’ve won more games than any team but New England. We must be doing something right. And we would have won a lot more if Le’Veon wasn’t hurt so much or suspended twice for weed. Talk about a good teammate. By the way, ask Le’Veon how things are going for him so far with the Jets. Ask him if his new coach is kissing his behind the way Mike Tomlin did here.”

• On former teammate Hines Ward criticizing Roethlisberger for calling out teammates on his 93.7 The Fan radio show, saying “Keep my name out of your mouth” when talking to the media:

“This one tickles me. Didn’t Hines go on national television and call me out for not playing in a game in Baltimore when I had a concussion? I’m not perfect, but I’ve taken a beating over the years and played through just about everything. Hines can kiss my …”

• On former teammate Josh Harris accusing Roethlisberger of fumbling intentionally because he didn’t like the play call from Todd Haley:

“Josh Who? Tell me again why a nobody like him was playing? Oh, that’s right. Le’Veon was hurt again.”

• On former teammate Rashard Mendenhall calling Roethlisberger a racist:

“Consider the source. Mendenhall is the guy who supported Osama bin Laden. You think I care about his opinion?”

Now, that would be fun.

I don’t know how Roethlisberger will be able to control himself.

I know I couldn’t.

Ron Cook: [email][email protected][/email] and Twitter @RonCookPG. Ron Cook can be heard on the “Cook and Joe” show weekdays from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. on 93.7 The Fan.

LMAO

For the football guys here. Ron Cook about Roethlisberger.

At least that’s what I expect him to say. Here’s what I wish he would say:

• On Brown’s claim that Roethlisberger has an “owner’s mentality, like he can call out anybody including coaches”:

“What A.B. won’t tell you is how many times I covered for him by not calling him out. Do you know how many times he ran the wrong routes? Or pouted when the ball wasn’t thrown his way enough? I constantly was trying to keep him happy. I’m glad he’s gone. Best of luck to Derek Carr in Oakland.”

• On Bell, who said Roethlisberger wants to win his way, freezes out teammates he’s not happy with and is tough to play with:

“We won two Super Bowls and played in a third before Le’Veon got here. We’ve won more games than any team but New England. We must be doing something right. And we would have won a lot more if Le’Veon wasn’t hurt so much or suspended twice for weed. Talk about a good teammate. By the way, ask Le’Veon how things are going for him so far with the Jets. Ask him if his new coach is kissing his behind the way Mike Tomlin did here.”

• On former teammate Hines Ward criticizing Roethlisberger for calling out teammates on his 93.7 The Fan radio show, saying “Keep my name out of your mouth” when talking to the media:

“This one tickles me. Didn’t Hines go on national television and call me out for not playing in a game in Baltimore when I had a concussion? I’m not perfect, but I’ve taken a beating over the years and played through just about everything. Hines can kiss my …”

• On former teammate Josh Harris accusing Roethlisberger of fumbling intentionally because he didn’t like the play call from Todd Haley:

“Josh Who? Tell me again why a nobody like him was playing? Oh, that’s right. Le’Veon was hurt again.”

• On former teammate Rashard Mendenhall calling Roethlisberger a racist:

“Consider the source. Mendenhall is the guy who supported Osama bin Laden. You think I care about his opinion?”

Now, that would be fun.

I don’t know how Roethlisberger will be able to control himself.

I know I couldn’t.

Ron Cook:
- Barnaby36[email][email protected][/email] and Twitter @RonCookPG. Ron Cook can be heard on the “Cook and Joe” show weekdays from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. on 93.7 The Fan.

That’s funny. I enjoy watching the Steelers and have friends from Pittsburgh which makes it fun. Having said that, CFL starts here shortly for my football fix