I don’t really think Hornqvist is that difficult to replace but I also don’t think he has to be traded either. He can find a place on the roster still. But the other guys have to be the right fit. Right now I don’t think Gudbranson, JJ, Cullen, etc. are really the right fit for an uptempo system.

Try to trade Maatta for Kassian from EDM
Target Jordie Benn for the left side.
Look for a lower tier right handed defenseman for the right side.
Try to bring back Hagelin.

Jake-Sid-McCann
Simon-Geno-Phil
Rust-Bjugstad-Horny
Hags-Blueger/Johnson-Kassian

Dumo-Letang
Benn-Schultz
Peterson-RHD

or if you really want to trade Phil, swap out Phil and Schultz for Subban and sign a RW for the second/third line.
- j.boyd919

EDM has like 8 dman signed.

I’d look to move Maatta to Dallas for someone like Shore or maybe even a return for Comeau.

EDM has like 8 dman signed.

I’d look to move Maatta to Dallas for someone like Shore or maybe even a return for Comeau.
- Rinosaur

Ken Holland is not a good GM.

Ken Holland is not a good GM.
- j.boyd919

I think Dallas is a good partner for Maatta. They need dmen and they have some good fourth line players the Pens could use.

Hell, I’d take Tyler Pitlick and a prospect for Maatta.

Well thats the kiss of death to anyone who wanted to see Subban on the Pens.
- stackthepads

Hopefully Phil and Schultz for Subban+ can happen sooner so we can commence further speculation. I’ll jump on board and agree with some that Guds, JJ, and Hornqvist likely aren’t going anywhere although I think Nashville MIGHT welcome a Granlund for Hornqvist swap. 72 is exactly what their PP is missing and he would be a large improvement their over Brian Boyle
- WSCTeton17

We were discussing this exact thing at work this morning. My friend and coworker is a huge Nashville fan. The only issue with Subban is he is much like Letang he gets caught biting up too many times on offense and will allow breakaways on goal which honestly I think wouldn't be too big of a problem if he or Letang were bumped to the second D pairing. I would assume it is based on the talent he is playing. He also stated Granlund, Turris and Simmonds were all duds. He wanted Hornqvist back and so does a lot of Preds fans. He thinks Kessel brings a lot more to the table than Subban overall which is why he could see Nashville retaining some cap or taking someone like Johnson which he isnt the biggest fan of. Even though the defense position has a lot more value Kessel being a point per game player holds a lot of value.

Anyway we both agreed we could see Granlund in there to help Pittsburgh add some speed to our second line. He thinks a trade would look like this.

Subban, granlund, 4th
For
Kessel, Johnson, Hornqvist.

Jarry isn’t an NHL talent.

But I am not opposed to exploring a Murray trade if the return is great and then go buy a UFA starter.
- Victoro311

Who would you target though? I agree on Jarry and I'm not eager to play goalie roulette. Even when you win that, it usually just lasts a year. Maybe Lehner, but I'd be surprised if he made it to UFA.

We were discussing this exact thing at work this morning. My friend and coworker is a huge Nashville fan. The only issue with Subban is he is much like Letang he gets caught biting up too many times on offense and will allow breakaways on goal which honestly I think wouldn't be too big of a problem if he or Letang were bumped to the second D pairing. I would assume it is based on the talent he is playing. He also stated Granlund, Turris and Simmonds were all duds. He wanted Hornqvist back and so does a lot of Preds fans. He thinks Kessel brings a lot more to the table than Subban overall which is why he could see Nashville retaining some cap or taking someone like Johnson which he isnt the biggest fan of. Even though the defense position has a lot more value Kessel being a point per game player holds a lot of value.

Anyway we both agreed we could see Granlund in there to help Pittsburgh add some speed to our second line. He thinks a trade would look like this.

Subban, granlund, 4th
For
Kessel, Johnson, Hornqvist.
- 123Kid

LOL

Who would you target though? I agree on Jarry and I'm not eager to play goalie roulette. Even when you win that, it usually just lasts a year. Maybe Lehner, but I'd be surprised if he made it to UFA.
- Tojo.

Mrazek. Whoever the Isles don't keep between Lehner and Greiss. Perhaps swing a cost effective trade for an undervalued starting caliber goalie that's currently backing someone up aka this year's Carter Hutton. There are usually a decent amount of non-sexy options on the goalie market every offseason that slip through the cracks.

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1174721

I feel I took a slightly more realistic approach to the situation.

We were discussing this exact thing at work this morning. My friend and coworker is a huge Nashville fan. The only issue with Subban is he is much like Letang he gets caught biting up too many times on offense and will allow breakaways on goal which honestly I think wouldn't be too big of a problem if he or Letang were bumped to the second D pairing. I would assume it is based on the talent he is playing. He also stated Granlund, Turris and Simmonds were all duds. He wanted Hornqvist back and so does a lot of Preds fans. He thinks Kessel brings a lot more to the table than Subban overall which is why he could see Nashville retaining some cap or taking someone like Johnson which he isnt the biggest fan of. Even though the defense position has a lot more value Kessel being a point per game player holds a lot of value.

Anyway we both agreed we could see Granlund in there to help Pittsburgh add some speed to our second line. He thinks a trade would look like this.

Subban, granlund, 4th
For
Kessel, Johnson, Hornqvist.
- 123Kid

Neat. I’ve got a friend in NSH and she goes to the games. Like your friend and I say, Hornqvist is the exact thing they’re missing up front (although Duchene would go a long way as well) but you forgot to add Schultz to the deal swap Schultz and add a depth forward on nashville’s side and it makes more sense. This could open the door for Nashville to move out a guy like Smith who only has 1 year remaining

EDM has like 8 dman signed.

I’d look to move Maatta to Dallas for someone like Shore or maybe even a return for Comeau.
- Rinosaur

Canucks will take Maatta every day of the week they have no puck moving dmen except Quinn Hughes who is a rookie. I can almost guarantee you that they'll take Hornqvist too after watching him play with their golden boy at the worlds.

TSN had an interview with Poile where he said he wont be staying pat this summer and most everyone on TSN read that as Subban was on the block. Maybe Kessel for Subban could happen.

Canucks will take Maatta every day of the week they have no puck moving dmen except Quinn Hughes who is a rookie. I can almost guarantee you that they'll take Hornqvist too after watching him play with their golden boy at the worlds.

TSN had an interview with Poile where he said he wont be staying pat this summer and most everyone on TSN read that as Subban was on the block. Maybe Kessel for Subban could happen.
- stackthepads

I do think a deal revolving around Kessel and Subban is entirely possible. I'm not saying this is even in the realm of reality, but if I'm JR, I'm starting off by offering Hornqvist, Schultz and either a 1st, Hallander or Addison before offering up Kessel.

Now, if there was a way they could do a swap sending Kessel for Subban straight up, keeping Schultz and moving out Gudbranson? That would be pretty great.

Mrazek. Whoever the Isles don't keep between Lehner and Greiss. Perhaps swing a cost effective trade for an undervalued starting caliber goalie that's currently backing someone up aka this year's Carter Hutton. There are usually a decent amount of non-sexy options on the goalie market every offseason that slip through the cracks.
- Victoro311

How much do you think you'd save with Mrazek as a UFA v Murray as a RFA?

Greiss I'd personally guess as a regression guy. Maybe Mrazek too. Goalies can be volatile. With Lehner, there's a good chance him beating his substance abuse demons turns the corner.

I can respect trying to save some money any way you can, but I'd probably rather play it safe at goalie since I don't think Murray is getting in the top tier money even with his raise, and still has another year left on his bridge.

Ken Holland is not a good GM.
- j.boyd919

This is also why I want to target Zucker in Minnesota. They're making bad moves and almost traded him for Frolik and a pick.

Neat. I’ve got a friend in NSH and she goes to the games. Like your friend and I say, Hornqvist is the exact thing they’re missing up front (although Duchene would go a long way as well) but you forgot to add Schultz to the deal swap Schultz and add a depth forward on nashville’s side and it makes more sense. This could open the door for Nashville to move out a guy like Smith who only has 1 year remaining
- WSCTeton17

Smith would be a nice pick up. That would be am intriguing trade. I could see that helping to bring some needed speed to this team

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1174721

I feel I took a slightly more realistic approach to the situation.
- Rinosaur

It would be hard to fit a that in the salary cap. I think Dzingel and Pettersson each get at least 500k more and you only have 500k space and 6 D as it is. Maybe drop the expensive 4th liner or only go for one top 6 wing around 5M?

How much do you think you'd save with Mrazek as a UFA v Murray as a RFA?

Greiss I'd personally guess as a regression guy. Maybe Mrazek too. Goalies can be volatile. With Lehner, there's a good chance him beating his substance abuse demons turns the corner.

I can respect trying to save some money any way you can, but I'd probably rather play it safe at goalie since I don't think Murray is getting in the top tier money even with his raise, and still has another year left on his bridge.
- Tojo.

TBH I'm not trying to save money with a Murray trade. I'm trying to bring back good skaters that will improve the team while taking a hit in goaltending. I am well aware that below average goaltending can sink a team, but I think you can be just fine with average goaltending if the team in front is really good, where as elite goaltending only rarely carries mediocre teams to the Cup.

It could well be that there's no Murray trade out there that makes the team better. I'm certainly not suggesting we dump him. But if there's a really good return out there that improves our group of skaters, I'd be pretty interested.

This is also why I want to target Zucker in Minnesota. They're making bad moves and almost traded him for Frolik and a pick.
- Tojo.

Yeah, but Granlund for Fiala was a steaaaaal

The thing with the Preds is they seem focused on a center, particularly Duchene, right now. But if they don't get him, and who knows what he wants, Kessel might sound really good. Plus, that would really jam them at center if they can't move Turris.

A wing, especially a PP producer like Kessel seems easier, just not apparently their first option.

TBH I'm not trying to save money with a Murray trade. I'm trying to bring back good skaters that will improve the team while taking a hit in goaltending. I am well aware that below average goaltending can sink a team, but I think you can be just fine with average goaltending if the team in front is really good, where as elite goaltending only rarely carries mediocre teams to the Cup.

It could well be that there's no Murray trade out there that makes the team better. I'm certainly not suggesting we dump him. But if there's a really good return out there that improves our group of skaters, I'd be pretty interested.
- Victoro311

Ok, I misunderstood what you were trying to accomplish. I'm more risk averse there, but I might change my tune if they got a top end defender somehow.

Yeah, but Granlund for Fiala was a steaaaaal
- WSCTeton17

I actually like Granlund better, He broke 50 the past 4 years (averaged about 60) and Fiala hasn't gotten there yet. The Neiderreiter/Rask trade was terrible.

I actually like Granlund better, He broke 50 the past 4 years (averaged about 60) and Fiala hasn't gotten there yet. The Neiderreiter/Rask trade was terrible.
- Tojo.

Granlund had fallen out of favor is what I read. No doubt they lost the Nieds trade, it was so bad. I made the mistake of telling a Swedish goalie I know that it was a bad trade.. turns out he’s good friends with Rask! He told me you won’t be able to judge a winner on this trade for a few years to which I said it’s entirely possible.

is still just 22. Minnesota strikes me as a team like Ottawa that will have a quick turnaround and then fall apart and that’s when they’ll fully rebuild. So much potential this offseason. It’s possible they get Duchene and trade for Phil. It’s possible NJD take Kappo and sign Duchene.

Where's Chiarelli when you need him? I have a feeling the Pens could have pulled off a JJ trade to Edmonton if he were still there. Maybe the Florida GM will take him.

Granlund had fallen out of favor is what I read. No doubt they lost the Nieds trade, it was so bad. I made the mistake of telling a Swedish goalie I know that it was a bad trade.. turns out he’s good friends with Rask! He told me you won’t be able to judge a winner on this trade for a few years to which I said it’s entirely possible.

is still just 22. Minnesota strikes me as a team like Ottawa that will have a quick turnaround and then fall apart and that’s when they’ll fully rebuild. So much potential this offseason. It’s possible they get Duchene and trade for Phil. It’s possible NJD take Kappo and sign Duchene.
- WSCTeton17

Fiala can still get better for sure. I think that Granlund was just over-hyped as a possible top talent so they soured. He's not that, but he's a good secondary scorer.

Where's Chiarelli when you need him? I have a feeling the Pens could have pulled off a JJ trade to Edmonton if he were still there. Maybe the Florida GM will take him.
- PghPens668771

For the money the Pens are paying JJ and Maatta, they could actually sign a guy like Gardiner to fill out the top 4. You put a Gardiner-Schultz pair behind Malkin and get a couple wings some skill who are willing to work and you'd dominate second pairings.