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CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

May 18 @ 10:16 PM ET
It's not a blank canvas like that.

The draft dictates wether or not you're even willing to trade the 10th pick.

- golfingsince

Trading the 10th for Nylander? #bathsalts#shortcuts
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

May 18 @ 10:20 PM ET
Trading the 10th for Nylander? #bathsalts#shortcuts
- CanuckDon


Agreed.
Non starter.

golfingsince
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May 18 @ 10:21 PM ET
Trading the 10th for Nylander? #bathsalts#shortcuts
- CanuckDon


Do you think that there will be 10 players in the draft that will be as good or better than him?
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 18 @ 10:21 PM ET
Trading the 10th for Nylander? #bathsalts#shortcuts
- CanuckDon


1 question...will 10oa ever likely be better than getting a proven player? Ty
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 18 @ 10:22 PM ET
A big draft day trade will be a huge buzz.
Question is in what form it takes.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

May 18 @ 10:22 PM ET
Do you think that there will be 10 players in the draft that will be as good or better than him?
- golfingsince


Not necessarily.
But we still can't afford to take that risk at this point.
The 10th oa could be another Boesser (who I wouldn't trade for Willy)
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

May 18 @ 10:23 PM ET
Trading the 10th for Nylander? #bathsalts#shortcuts
- CanuckDon

#goalsscored#presidenttrophy🏆

dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

May 18 @ 10:24 PM ET
#goalsscored#presidenttrophy🏆
- Makita


#swedishtwins
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 18 @ 10:25 PM ET
Not necessarily.
But we still can't afford to take that risk at this point.
The 10th oa could be another Boesser (who I wouldn't trade for Willy)

- dbot


It’s a very low risk trade imo.
Cost certainty & he gets prime time ice.
It’s not a stand alone shortcut til more pieces are added. Upside or downside depends on your view is if Willy helps us make the PO’s
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

May 18 @ 10:27 PM ET
Do you think that there will be 10 players in the draft that will be as good or better than him?
- golfingsince

That’s not really the point. His contract devalues him. We need a young stud on an entry level contract. Do I think there will be 10 players better than him selected in the first round? Probably
golfingsince
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May 18 @ 10:28 PM ET
Not necessarily.
But we still can't afford to take that risk at this point.
The 10th oa could be another Boesser (who I wouldn't trade for Willy)

- dbot


Well, we've picked Juolevi and JV with higher draft picks. Just saying.

I haven't seen enough of the draft eligible players to have a draft board, but if I did there would come a point where maybe I had 6-7 maybe 8 players that if they fell to that spot I'd keep the pick.

Risk vs reward.

If Nylander were in this draft I think he'd be chosen well before 10th, but you don't get the rookie deal.
golfingsince
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May 18 @ 10:31 PM ET
That’s not really the point. His contract devalues him. We need a young stud on an entry level contract. Do I think there will be 10 players better than him selected in the first round? Probably
- CanuckDon


I agree with both of these points, but if a stud D isn't available and you're meh on a forward that's when a deal becomes possible.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 18 @ 10:31 PM ET
Well, we've picked Juolevi and JV with higher draft picks. Just saying.

I haven't seen enough of the draft eligible players to have a draft board, but if I did there would come a point where maybe I had 6-7 maybe 8 players that if they fell to that spot I'd keep the pick.

Risk vs reward.

If Nylander were in this draft I think he'd be chosen well before 10th, but you don't get the rookie deal.

- golfingsince


Well said. I’ll add we can take on his 7m & still have cap control.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 18 @ 10:33 PM ET
I agree with both of these points, but if a stud D isn't available and you're meh on a forward that's when a deal becomes possible.
- golfingsince

A lot hinges on who falls to 10th. We are meh on who we can choose make the call to Dubas.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

May 18 @ 10:42 PM ET
I agree with both of these points, but if a stud D isn't available and you're meh on a forward that's when a deal becomes possible.
- golfingsince

It will be Judd's decision.
golfingsince
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May 18 @ 10:46 PM ET
It will be Judd's decision.
- A_SteamingLombardi

belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

May 18 @ 10:47 PM ET
That’s not really the point. His contract devalues him. We need a young stud on an entry level contract. Do I think there will be 10 players better than him selected in the first round? Probably
- CanuckDon


What's a 22 year old 20 G 60 pt winger worth paying?

Pasta, Tarasenko, Forsberg, Draisaitl, Gaudeau put up comparable numbers and signed between 6 and 8.5. That also doesn't take the cap rising each year into consideration.

Whether you like Will Ny (props to you NH) or not his salary is pretty in line with other wingers who showed they could produce in the top 6.

People better get used to the idea that Boeser is going to be signed for 7.5-8.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 18 @ 10:48 PM ET
What's a 22 year old 20 G 60 pt winger worth paying?

Pasta, Tarasenko, Forsberg, Draisaitl, Gaudeau put up comparable numbers and signed between 6 and 8.5. That also doesn't take the cap rising each year into consideration.

Whether you like Will Ny (props to you NH) or not his salary is pretty in line with other wingers who showed they could produce in the top 6.

People better get used to the idea that Boeser is going to be signed for 7.5-8.

- belcherbd


My guess is 7m term not so sure.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

May 18 @ 10:55 PM ET
My guess is 7m term not so sure.
- Nighthawk


Harman Dayal has a really good piece on the athletic breaking down what he thinks it will be. He takes cap rising, comparable's and whether he thinks the Canucks would be willing to have Brock sit out for half the year to save a couple 100K into consideration and figures it's between 7.4-76.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

May 18 @ 11:05 PM ET
It’s a very low risk trade imo.
Cost certainty & he gets prime time ice.
It’s not a stand alone shortcut til more pieces are added. Upside or downside depends on your view is if Willy helps us make the PO’s

- Nighthawk


Part of the risk is what the 10oa could turn into.
The other part of the risk is, given his poor performance this year, if he is indeed worth his salary.

For a rebuilding team like Vancouver, we can't afford to take those risks for those pieces.
golfingsince
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May 18 @ 11:15 PM ET
Part of the risk is what the 10oa could turn into.
The other part of the risk is, given his poor performance this year, if he is indeed worth his salary.

For a rebuilding team like Vancouver, we can't afford to take those risks for those pieces.

- dbot

I think he played better than his 27 points suggest, especially during his 2nd half of the season.

During the playoffs, Kadri’s suspension forced him to take on a different role.

Aside from that, didn’t his point totals eclipse Jake’s career high?
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

May 18 @ 11:29 PM ET
I think he played better than his 27 points suggest, especially during his 2nd half of the season.

During the playoffs, Kadri’s suspension forced him to take on a different role.

Aside from that, didn’t his point totals eclipse Jake’s career high?

- golfingsince

You want to revisit the Jake v Nylander debate?
golfingsince
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May 18 @ 11:37 PM ET
You want to revisit the Jake v Nylander debate?
- CanuckDon


Not at all, just saying that's a 6oa pick. No guarantees we get anything better. Juolevi at 5th overall has yet to play an NHL game.

The kid just turned 23, it's not like he's 26.

Again, do you see anything surefire that's guaranteed to be there at 10oa ? If not, then why not consider it?

It's one pick, maybe a larger deal gets you a later one back.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

May 18 @ 11:37 PM ET
You want to revisit the Jake v Nylander debate?
- CanuckDon


You'd have to be pretty far removed from reality to think there is still a debate.

Climate change denier level of ignorance....

CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

May 18 @ 11:39 PM ET
You'd have to be pretty far removed from reality to think there is still a debate.

Climate change denier level of ignorance....


- belcherbd

One could make the argument that the Canucks won when you factor in their contracts. It’s hard to argue. I’m a Jake hater FYI
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