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Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

May 16 @ 7:56 PM ET
Another problem is that it increases the chances of a ref's skate deflecting a puck and thus having an influence on the game.

As far as "good hockey goal" reviews go, I am in favor of reviewing all goals in the situation room but giving refs the discretion on whether to hold up the game for the results of the review (although they would obviously have to wait for game deciding OT goals). So if the ref decides not to wait, which would be the most typical case, especially for obviously good goals, then play could resume while the situation room reviews. The situation room would then have a time limit of 90 seconds from the time they receive the video to overrule the goal. If they overrule the goal then they notify the refs and the refs blow the play dead immediately and reset the clock. The refs should also be able to submit audio comments to the situation room people, which should be taken into account during the review. And yes, the people in the situation room doing the reviews should be identified along with the refs and linesmen.

I wouldn't be surprised if the league throw this crew under the bus like it did to the game 7 SJ/LVK crew.

- PghPens668771


The NFL has no problem with getting the calls in on time on scoring plays. It's the challenges that are the problem. The referee has to make an announcement about the challenge, he has to trot over to the sideline, spend 2 minutes looking at the video, trot back out to mid-field and then make another announcement, usually making a hash of it.

Rarely do they have to wait more than 10 seconds or so once the PAT team gets onto the field. It would be the same with the NHL, there's the celebration, then the milling around, then the away team puts out their line, then the home team puts out there line, then they line up. There's more than enough time there to not have to worry about a time limit on reviews.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

May 16 @ 8:53 PM ET
Officials while they were conferring could have easily glanced up at the jumbotron to see that was a hand pass and correct the play on the spot.

Each crew should have a crew chief and should have to be available to the media after the game.

Next year the rule will be like the NFL. Every scoring play is quickly reviewed.

- bcallaway


I don't think they are allowed to look up at the video replay to make a call or reverse a call. They do or don't make the call in real time; a challenge or toronto review allows for the replay review
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

May 16 @ 8:56 PM ET
Paul the refs missed this right before the pass.

https://www.reddit.com/r/...=share&utm_medium=ios_app

- 2Real


they have been doing that the playoffs; not calling pens esp in the 3rd and OT.

There are two sets of officiating rules one for the regular season and one for the playoffs...

these games are an officiating mess
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

May 16 @ 8:59 PM ET
refs missed this call too
https://streamable.com/s/188cb/lszmwh

- 2Real


thats a tough call...braun was leaning into the play; a vulnerable position for sure

but ole reffy was looking right at it and said play on
Thorny
Location: OH
Joined: 10.15.2011

May 17 @ 7:02 AM ET
they have been doing that the playoffs; not calling pens esp in the 3rd and OT.

There are two sets of officiating rules one for the regular season and one for the playoffs...

these games are an officiating mess

- bogiedoc


NHL officiating has been a mess for years, they always ref the score not the game. the NHL always punishes the result, not the intent. The refs 100% have an agenda in games sometimes and its fairly obvious. They do make up calls, if a team complains, they will get like 1 PP in the next 6 games combined. It amazes me how a ref can be looking directly at the play, see an obvious board, let it go and then call an interference penalty 2 minutes later that is questionable at best. They obviously have an agenda there.
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

May 17 @ 8:46 AM ET
NHL officiating has been a mess for years, they always ref the score not the game. the NHL always punishes the result, not the intent. The refs 100% have an agenda in games sometimes and its fairly obvious. They do make up calls, if a team complains, they will get like 1 PP in the next 6 games combined. It amazes me how a ref can be looking directly at the play, see an obvious board, let it go and then call an interference penalty 2 minutes later that is questionable at best. They obviously have an agenda there.
- Thorny


THIS

Factor in the unnamed "Situation Room" that clearly has an agenda, whether it be to make games closer, extend a series (more games, more revenue) or just plain have certain teams advance

They can't make it too blatant, but watch enough games and you can see which way the NHL leans. The fact they are anonymous isn't a bug, it's the feature
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

May 17 @ 12:48 PM ET
THIS

Factor in the unnamed "Situation Room" that clearly has an agenda, whether it be to make games closer, extend a series (more games, more revenue) or just plain have certain teams advance

They can't make it too blatant, but watch enough games and you can see which way the NHL leans. The fact they are anonymous isn't a bug, it's the feature

- RoloTahmasee


No.

Everyone thinks the NHL has it out for their team.

They don't.
OrrFour
Joined: 11.04.2013

May 17 @ 3:23 PM ET
If the job of the 'Situation Room" is to review plays then it should be staffed with retired referees... not a bunch of suits.
FoxMulder
Nashville Predators
Location: Christiana, TN
Joined: 02.26.2018

May 17 @ 3:28 PM ET
THIS

Factor in the unnamed "Situation Room" that clearly has an agenda, whether it be to make games closer, extend a series (more games, more revenue) or just plain have certain teams advance

They can't make it too blatant, but watch enough games and you can see which way the NHL leans. The fact they are anonymous isn't a bug, it's the feature

- RoloTahmasee



Thorny
Location: OH
Joined: 10.15.2011

May 18 @ 4:04 AM ET
No.

Everyone thinks the NHL has it out for their team.

They don't.

- prock



There are certain refs who have it out for certain players and teams, this has always been the case in the NHL.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

May 18 @ 8:05 AM ET
There are certain refs who have it out for certain players and teams, this has always been the case in the NHL.
- Thorny



There are players that refs "have it out for". For sure.

But those players deserve it.

Its like burrows complaining about the ref giving him poop a few years ago. When the refs go back and see video of whats going on, they know more than likely hes diving, buting, whatever. So he loses the benefit of the doubt.

Yiu dont wabt the refs to "have it out for you"? Dont be a moron like burrows.
Thorny
Location: OH
Joined: 10.15.2011

May 18 @ 1:05 PM ET
There are players that refs "have it out for". For sure.

But those players deserve it.

Its like burrows complaining about the ref giving him poop a few years ago. When the refs go back and see video of whats going on, they know more than likely hes diving, buting, whatever. So he loses the benefit of the doubt.

Yiu dont wabt the refs to "have it out for you"? Dont be a moron like burrows.

- prock



Of course players like that are marked, kind of like Tom Wilson. There are also refs who just hold grudges against coaches and teams, there are sites out there, who show you how its uncanny that when ref x is doing the game that team only gets like 1.5 pp per game with them. While they are on the PK 3 times. If you don't think refs have bias or agendas than there is zero point in discussing this further.
DeuceNine
St Louis Blues
Location: STL, MO
Joined: 08.11.2006

May 18 @ 5:43 PM ET
Specific to last night's play, I have seen a lot of bad information out there. First of all, it does not matter if the puck glanced off a Blues player (I do not think it did, but it doesn't matter either which way). Only when there is a chance of possession and control of the puck does it negate a hand pass. Plain and simple, play should have been blown dead.

Tard after tard from SJ insisted that the slightest glance off Bouwmeester meant it was a good goal. Of course most of those people barely spoke English natively, so I wasn't too worried about it.

As for the "four refs" thing... Let's be real. These guys talk.
birdie03
Columbus Blue Jackets
Joined: 07.01.2011

May 20 @ 8:39 PM ET
Hello Paul,

Always like reading your opinion on edgy topics. I want to reference you comparison to the Tarzan movies, and slingshot between two trees launching referees who make ruinous calls. You stated if that were the case the NHL would run out of refs/linesmen.
You probably didn't intend this - but I read that to mean the NHL would burn through all of them because they all make really egregiously bad calls.
That's a statement on the competency of them - and if that were true, maybe there should be "clean house" attitude - make them accountable.
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