I think you are right about semantics. It is hard to say where one draws the line for #1d. I feel like us fans have a tendency to only consider the very best players as "true #1" but in reality I think the bar is actually not as high. Some teams might have 2 guys who would be a #1 on most teams while others don't have anyone who should be a #1. Karlsson might not be the best defensively, but no question he would be a top 30 overall in the league during his prime. I think that would pretty much mean he is likely a #1D overall, even if his game isn't as complete as some of the other guys who are few and far between.
- breadbag

I was getting into semantics. You can't teach Boqvist's offensive talents, hopefully he can use that quick stick to learn how to play like Keith.

if the source came out of Madison its because they feel like the only overpay at #3 would be for bowen as a D. And they wanted it floated, just like everybody knew Scotty B was watching Bowen. I tend to agree. are you goin got give a huge overpay for Turcotte when you could have dach, couzins, Zeg's, Krebs, Caulfield?

would DET give up Zadina to daft Turcotte so the hawks end up with Zadina and DACH or ZEG?

if the source came out of Madison its because they feel like the only overpay at #3 would be for bowen as a D. And they wanted it floated, just like everybody knew Scotty B was watching Bowen. I tend to agree. are you goin got give a huge overpay for Turcotte when you could have dach, couzins, Zeg's, Krebs, Caulfield?

would DET give up Zadina to daft Turcotte so the hawks end up with Zadina and DACH or ZEG?
- kmw4631

Believe it or not Detroit has cap problems also, they might want to include a roster player to draft up.

if the source came out of Madison its because they feel like the only overpay at #3 would be for bowen as a D. And they wanted it floated, just like everybody knew Scotty B was watching Bowen. I tend to agree. are you goin got give a huge overpay for Turcotte when you could have dach, couzins, Zeg's, Krebs, Caulfield?

would DET give up Zadina to daft Turcotte so the hawks end up with Zadina and DACH or ZEG?
- kmw4631

Believe it or not Detroit has cap problems also, they might want to include a roster player to draft up.

Germany leading France 3-1 with the 3rd goal coming on a sweet feed from Kahun from behind the net to Draisitl for a tap in. Kahun now playing RW on Draisitl's line.

I'm looking for Kahun to have a nice season and better his scoring from 37 to maybe close to 50.

Since there isn’t a whole lot to talk about substance-wise, I guess we can talk about rumors.

Barstool Chief (from barstool sports) apparently has a source with the Hawks hockey ops that said that if the draft was today, the team would be taking Byram.

Take it for what you will (a rumor). Not saying he’s a very credible source, but it’s still a fun convo starter.
- TommyHawk

I believe it.

And if the draft were next week - they’d be taking Turcotte.

And the following week - Cuzins.

And the next week - a trade.

And after that - still two weeks until the actual draft.

I would consider them in a trade too, but not when it is just another similarly slotted draft pick. They just took him at #8 last year he has that year of experience. The are more certain of what they have in him than taking another pick at a similar spot this year, because they've had Boqvist in camp and in the organization (Signed) already.
- breadbag

Not to mention Boqvist showed well in camp last year and was amongst the last cuts. Although I would prefer he play in either London again or start pro in Rockford, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that management and the coaching staff thinks he can play in the NHL in 2019-20.

IIRC, wasn't Boqvist also ranked as high as #3 last year before "falling" to the Hawks at #8?

Germany leading France 3-1 with the 3rd goal coming on a sweet feed from Kahun from behind the net to Draisitl for a tap in. Kahun now playing RW on Draisitl's line.

I'm looking for Kahun to have a nice season and better his scoring from 37 to maybe close to 50.
- EbonyRaptor

50? I see closer to 55-60. Kahun is exceptionally skilled, and he looked really, really good playing with skilled players. What he needs to work on is his finishing, but his speed, creativity, and willingness to drive the puck to the net are all great signs.
I hope Stan extends him before he gets priced out.

As I said earlier in another thread, he’s my pick to be most improved next season. He’s got the complete package.

Pre-ASB - (51 games; 20 points)
Post-ASB - (31 games; 17 points)

Not to mention Boqvist showed well in camp last year and was amongst the last cuts. Although I would prefer he play in either London again or start pro in Rockford, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that management and the coaching staff thinks he can play in the NHL in 2019-20.

IIRC, wasn't Boqvist also ranked as high as #3 last year before "falling" to the Hawks at #8?
- AEL_Fox

Yes, and in that behind the scenes documentary, once Vancouver picked Quinn Hughes, Mark Kelley was smiling from ear to ear and said to Stan Boqvist. Kelley couldn't believe he dropped into the Hawks lap. A lot of posters thought before the draft that the pick was going to be Oliver Wahlstrom

Not to mention Boqvist showed well in camp last year and was amongst the last cuts. Although I would prefer he play in either London again or start pro in Rockford, it isn't out of the realm of possibility that management and the coaching staff thinks he can play in the NHL in 2019-20.

IIRC, wasn't Boqvist also ranked as high as #3 last year before "falling" to the Hawks at #8?
- AEL_Fox

It always fluctuates through the year but I think Dahlin was #1 all year with Svechnikov and Zadina bouncing back and forth at 2/3. I think Hughes, Boqvist, Bouchard and Dobson were sprayed around between 4-12 but that was in the March/April time period - so maybe Boqvist was projected at #3 earlier than that.

Yes, and in that behind the scenes documentary, once Vancouver picked Quinn Hughes, Mark Kelley was smiling from ear to ear and said to Stan Boqvist. Kelley couldn't believe he dropped into the Hawks lap. A lot of posters thought before the draft that the pick was going to be Oliver Wahlstrom
- LAHawk

I think his concussion history may have been a factor (still is a concern - knock on wood).

Does anyone know how the expansion draft of players for Seattle will work. In particular in regards to Joker , and say Boqvist both play next year and the year after, would Chicago have to protect them both?

The good news is that no matter what, the Hawks are going to either get a really good Center or Dman with the #3 pick!
- frafra

There ya go:

The best big centre-forward, the best defenseman, or the best little man scorer, or the fastest 200 foot player....
hear
the
good news

Since there isn’t a whole lot to talk about substance-wise, I guess we can talk about rumors.

Barstool Chief (from barstool sports) apparently has a source with the Hawks hockey ops that said that if the draft was today, the team would be taking Byram.

Take it for what you will (a rumor). Not saying he’s a very credible source, but it’s still a fun convo starter.
- TommyHawk[/quote

Wonder if the Hawks "source" saying this is just putting up a smoke screen to see if another team that wants Byram, LA or DET for example, would want to trade picks with the Hawks.

Here is Byram setting up the first Vancouver goal last night.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1128118781149007872

Does anyone know how the expansion draft of players for Seattle will work. In particular in regards to Joker , and say Boqvist both play next year and the year after, would Chicago have to protect them both?
- HamiltonHawk

Joki yes Boquist no since he did not play in the NHL or AHL last year. 2 years or less Prof EXP you do not not have to protect. guys like Kahun, Sikura, perlini, Cagg would be some guys we would need to make decisions on. assuming seabs waives we would be in good shape on D.

Joki yes Boquist no since he did not play in the NHL or AHL last year. 2 years or less Prof EXP you do not not have to protect. guys like Kahun, Sikura, perlini, Cagg would be some guys we would need to make decisions on. assuming seabs waives we would be in good shape on D.
- kmw4631

Why would Seabrook waive his NMC?

Does anyone know how the expansion draft of players for Seattle will work. In particular in regards to Joker , and say Boqvist both play next year and the year after, would Chicago have to protect them both?
- HamiltonHawk

The JUNE 2021 NHL Expansion Draft will be under the same rules for Seattle as the Vegas Golden Knights in 2017. Seattle will select one player from each team excluding the Golden Knights for a total of 30 (14 forwards, nine defensemen and three goalies) not including additional players who may be acquired as the result of violations of the Expansion Draft rules.
Current NHL teams can protect seven forwards, three defensemen and one goalie, or eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goalie, under the following conditions.

* All players with no movement clauses at the time of the draft, and who decline to waive those clauses, must be protected and will be counted toward their team's applicable protection limits.

* All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits.
So is Jokiharju a 2nd year player at the end of next season? How many games did he play? Boqvist and any defenders drafted this June or in first year in AHL are first year players...if they play in Chicago.

In addition, all NHL teams must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the draft:

* One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played in at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.

* Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.

* One goalie who is under contract in 2021-22 or will be a restricted free agent at the end of his current contract immediately prior to 2021-22. If a team elects to make a restricted free agent goalie available to meet this requirement, that goalie must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the team's protected list.

* Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed more than the previous 60 consecutive games (or who otherwise have been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury) may not be used to satisfy a team's player exposure requirements unless approval is received from the NHL. Such players also may be deemed exempt from selection.

Here is Byram setting up the first Vancouver goal last night.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1128118781149007872
- EbonyRaptor

where's the tripping penalty in the first period where he was unable too pivot into position?

yeah got an assist on a nice fly around and pin point pass, but need up a ZERO in the plus minus column ...
I raised him to LA at slot five on my board.

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2019/

where's the tripping penalty in the first period where he was unable too pivot into position?

yeah got an assist on a nice fly around and pin point pass, but need up a ZERO in the plus minus column ...
I raised him to LA at slot five on my board.

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2019/
- wiz1901

Hey wiz - serious question ... How much do you factor in opinions of others in raising/lowering players on your board? By "others" - I don't mean message board slugs like me - I mean other guys in the industry who you know and respect their opinion. The reason I'm asking is because you had Byram ranked 12th or there abouts a couple weeks ago and now you have him ranked 5th. As far as I know, he hasn't played perceptively better or worse over the last couple weeks but you still moved him up to 5th. I'm assuming that your own personal assessment of him hasn't changed so is the move to 5th more a reflection of how you think others have him ranked and therefore you believe he will get selected closer to 5th than 12th? How do you factor in other opinions with your own assessment of the player?

The JUNE 2021 NHL Expansion Draft will be under the same rules for Seattle as the Vegas Golden Knights in 2017. Seattle will select one player from each team excluding the Golden Knights for a total of 30 (14 forwards, nine defensemen and three goalies) not including additional players who may be acquired as the result of violations of the Expansion Draft rules.
Current NHL teams can protect seven forwards, three defensemen and one goalie, or eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goalie, under the following conditions.

* All players with no movement clauses at the time of the draft, and who decline to waive those clauses, must be protected and will be counted toward their team's applicable protection limits.

* All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits.
So is Jokiharju a 2nd year player at the end of next season? How many games did he play? Boqvist and any defenders drafted this June or in first year in AHL are first year players...if they play in Chicago.

In addition, all NHL teams must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the draft:

* One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played in at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.

* Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.

* One goalie who is under contract in 2021-22 or will be a restricted free agent at the end of his current contract immediately prior to 2021-22. If a team elects to make a restricted free agent goalie available to meet this requirement, that goalie must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the team's protected list.

* Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed more than the previous 60 consecutive games (or who otherwise have been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury) may not be used to satisfy a team's player exposure requirements unless approval is received from the NHL. Such players also may be deemed exempt from selection.
- wiz1901

I don't think it matters how many games Jokiharju plays next year, they don't include a definition of what is a first year or second year player, but if they are burning a year on their contract, I think it counts, vs guys who are on ELC but slide because they haven't gone pro.

Further down the game requirements just seems to be that the team must expose enough players with a certain level of experience, but doesn't apply to the exempt status. It is a minimum requirement but doesn't state that the exposed players all much meet those # of games played.

I don't think it matters how many games Jokiharju plays next year, they don't include a definition of what is a first year or second year player, but if they are burning a year on their contract, I think it counts, vs guys who are on ELC but slide because they haven't gone pro.

Further down the game requirements just seems to be that the team must expose enough players with a certain level of experience, but doesn't apply to the exempt status. It is a minimum requirement but doesn't state that the exposed players all much meet those # of games played.
- breadbag

Let's use Trevor van Riemsdyk as an example. He was exposed in the Vegas draft. He had 3 years of experience playing 18, 82 and 58 games. So Joki playing 38 games? last season surely counts as his 1st season. If he meet the 70 and 40 games plateau the next two years, he would be eligible.

Let's use Trevor van Riemsdyk as an example. He was exposed in the Vegas draft. He had 3 years of experience playing 18, 82 and 58 games. So Joki playing 38 games? last season surely counts as his 1st season. If he meet the 70 and 40 games plateau the next two years, he would be eligible.
- boilermaker100

I don't see the Hawks exposing him. They will figure out a way around that. He's probably a top 4 guy on the Hawks next season at the age of 20-21.

I don't see the Hawks exposing him. They will figure out a way around that. He's probably a top 4 guy on the Hawks next season at the age of 20-21.
- bhawks2241

Agree. He'll be protected, probably along with Keith and Seabrook if they are not waiving their NMC.

Let's use Trevor van Riemsdyk as an example. He was exposed in the Vegas draft. He had 3 years of experience playing 18, 82 and 58 games. So Joki playing 38 games? last season surely counts as his 1st season. If he meet the 70 and 40 games plateau the next two years, he would be eligible.
- boilermaker100

They way I read it, for exemption it only matters if you are a 1st or 2nd year pro. I don't think the 40 or 70 games mentioned below that matter at all for exempt status. I think those are only for the minimum that a team must include in their exposed players.

I think the Hawks could play Jokiharju any number of games next year or the year after and he still would not be exempt. He would not be considered a 1st or 2nd year player.