Do we all agree that the lucic or Ladd deals are horrible?
Well guess what, giving Myers 6x6 or anything close to that is equally as bad or worse!!!!!

So... you’re saying the problems on this team are Laine (generational goal scorer), Ehlers (arguably our 2nd best forward, and close to Scheifele), Trouba (a #1 dman), and Buff (another #1 dman)? That’s like saying the Oilers problems are Draisaitl, Klefbom, and Connor McDavid
- Rexypoo

Exactly what I am saying Rexy. If you think Laine and Ehlers played good enough to be top-6 forwards you are wrong. I am not saying they are terrible, and trade them. I am saying that this season's shortcomings could be attributed by their inability to play up to expectations. I am a big fan of Ehlers. He has the ability to create space, making his reaming 4 line-mates lethal. This talent is similar to what Kane/Marner can do when they are on the ice. But this season he was just out-of-whack. Not sure if it was injury related, or what, but hopefully he puts this season in the past and comes out like I expect him too in October.

Laine was easily the most ineffective player in the NHL 5v5. If he is not shooting the puck, he is simply irrelevant, and the Jets may as well be short handed. You are correct in calling him a generational goal-scorer, but how many goals did this generational player score since the all-star break???? It was something like 6 goals in the second half of the season. Yikes!

Trouba IS over-rated. A good athletic D worth 6M per season, yes, but he is not the franchise player you think he is. His IQ, discipline, remain a dividing factor that I just don't see him improving.

The article questioned why the Jets came up short this season, and I pointed out their "studs" that did not produce like we would have hoped, and their lacking LD depth paired with Buff not quite hitting his true form this season due to injury. Cheers Rexy

Do we all agree that the lucic or Ladd deals are horrible?
Well guess what, giving Myers 6x6 or anything close to that is equally as bad or worse!!!!!
- Ross77

You are correct Ross. I like Meyers, but that is too much term. I was thinking he would be something with less risk, such as 2 years 5.5 AAV. Anything beyond that and you may just want to part ways depending on the Trouba situation.

You are correct Ross. I like Meyers, but that is too much term. I was thinking he would be something with less risk, such as 2 years 5.5 AAV. Anything beyond that and you may just want to part ways depending on the Trouba situation.
- bikeguy99

that's the thing, it shouldn't depend on Trouba at all. Can not under any circumstances hand out bad contracts, in todays cap NHL, just cant do it.

Hello everyone, LONG time lurker and first time poster. So if I've read all these comments correctly I have learned:

1. Our top R winger and team captain Wheeler produces like a top R winger because he's played on the top line. So therefore he is overrated and his contract is an albatross. Trade him now.
2. Byfuglien an elite defenseman any team would cover is going to regress rapidly and become useless because other D-men at his age have regressed before, so his contract is an albatross. Trade him now.
3. Laine only scored 30 goals and 50 points while failing to find chemistry up and down the line-up but was one if our best players in the playoffs while playing injured. He's obviously a bust so trade him now or make sure not to pay him market value.
4. Our best players will net solid, but perhaps not equal returns, so trade them now.
5. Despite a tough first month Myers played perhaps the best hockey of his career, don't resign him.
6. The Jets regressed this season but still finished well within the playoff rankings and lost a hard fought series against a team currently in the semi's so fire all the coaches.

Let me know if I missed anything!

Hello everyone, LONG time lurker and first time poster. So if I've read all these comments correctly I have learned:

1. Our top R winger and team captain Wheeler produces like a top R winger because he's played on the top line. So therefore he is overrated and his contract is an albatross. Trade him now.
2. Byfuglien an elite defenseman any team would cover is going to regress rapidly and become useless because other D-men at his age have regressed before, so his contract is an albatross. Trade him now.
3. Laine only scored 30 goals and 50 points while failing to find chemistry up and down the line-up but was one if our best players in the playoffs while playing injured. He's obviously a bust so trade him now or make sure not to pay him market value.
4. Our best players will net solid, but perhaps not equal returns, so trade them now.
5. Despite a tough first month Myers played perhaps the best hockey of his career, don't resign him.
6. The Jets regressed this season but still finished well within the playoff rankings and lost a hard fought series against a team currently in the semi's so fire all the coaches.

Let me know if I missed anything!


- MikeDedly

The one's in bold are bang on. I am glad you have been paying attention. The Jets were the 17th best team after January 1, 2019. Hellebyuck and goalies before him on this team seem to regress once Wade Flaherty begins working with them, so yes fire them.

We are a draft and develop team, yet have done a poor job of developing players outside the first round. One thing I have observed on other teams is, is that they let their young talented guys play to see what they got prior to putting them on the fourth line to collect only 8 minutes a game. Coach Maurice is synonymous with overplaying his top players. They were bagged when the playoffs came.

On the Byfuglien topic, why the heck would you want to hold onto an asset that is past its expiry point? This could be the only time the Jets get a great return for him.

That 6th game the Jets played against St. Louis was not hard fought, it seemed like we were sending lambs to a slaughter. And, as far as saying that Laine played great for 5 games, many flops have played great for 5 games in the playoffs. See Devante Smith-Pelley from last year. No way am I advocating trading the guy, I am saying he is not a "generational talent" as some have lamented.

that's the thing, it shouldn't depend on Trouba at all. Can not under any circumstances hand out bad contracts, in todays cap NHL, just cant do it.
- Ross77

I agree. And that is not quite what I intended to mean. I just know they will be more likely to keep Meyers if a trade is in place for Trouba that doesn't see a 1-for-1 RD trade. If he is swapped for a guy like Hamilton, then Meyers could certainly walk. But if Trouba is moved for any other position, Meyers may just be our #2 RD (hopefully Niku makes the big step!!!). Either way, if chev can keep this team intact while keeping Meyers on a short term deal, its a win.

Hello everyone, LONG time lurker and first time poster. So if I've read all these comments correctly I have learned:

1. Our top R winger and team captain Wheeler produces like a top R winger because he's played on the top line. So therefore he is overrated and his contract is an albatross. Trade him now.
2. Byfuglien an elite defenseman any team would cover is going to regress rapidly and become useless because other D-men at his age have regressed before, so his contract is an albatross. Trade him now.
3. Laine only scored 30 goals and 50 points while failing to find chemistry up and down the line-up but was one if our best players in the playoffs while playing injured. He's obviously a bust so trade him now or make sure not to pay him market value.
4. Our best players will net solid, but perhaps not equal returns, so trade them now.
5. Despite a tough first month Myers played perhaps the best hockey of his career, don't resign him.
6. The Jets regressed this season but still finished well within the playoff rankings and lost a hard fought series against a team currently in the semi's so fire all the coaches.

Let me know if I missed anything!


- MikeDedly

you got some things right and some things wrong so seems you fit right in.

for the record,
-wheelers contract is fine for the next 2 years and an albatross for the rest of it, so pick your poison.
-buff is good, his contract is fine, keep him
-laine will be fine, sign the man
-no one has said trade all our players, bit of a reach there for ya on that one
-myers is a bottom pair D who will be paid like a top 4 D, a contract that will be 4 years too long, I'm bang on when I compare what it will to Lucic or Ladd's
-this team sucked after Christmas, was a below 500 team for the last 35 games, I give more credit to the franchise for the players drafted than the coach for getting them into the playoffs. we will not win the cup with Maurice, you want to keep him, fine, no cup. and what exactly have the other coaches done to warrant keeping them?

we cool?

Back to the Myers debate again Ross.
Let me just start by saying I wouldn't pay Myers 6 million dollars but

From 2017-2019 at 5v5

Morrissey-Trouba CF% 51.26 xGF% 51.59 SCF% 51.25 OZ faceoff % 51.18
Morrissey-Myers CF% 52.69 xGF% 52.88 SCF% 56.61 OZ faceoff % 50.00

Seems the Jets wouldn't see much of a drop off if the Jets ran a Morrissey-Myers pairing next year.

Back to the Myers debate again Ross.
Let me just start by saying I wouldn't pay Myers 6 million dollars but

From 2017-2019 at 5v5

Morrissey-Trouba CF% 51.26 xGF% 51.59 SCF% 51.25 OZ faceoff % 51.18
Morrissey-Myers CF% 52.69 xGF% 52.88 SCF% 56.61 OZ faceoff % 50.00

Seems the Jets wouldn't see much of a drop off if the Jets ran a Morrissey-Myers pairing next year.
- BWJumper

now just for fun do;
Chairot/Myers
Chairot/Niku

I'm honestly curious

Come on Ross, just look at that face. There is definitely something magical there.
- TheUltimateJet

This is an excellent point

Hello everyone, LONG time lurker and first time poster. So if I've read all these comments correctly I have learned:

1. Our top R winger and team captain Wheeler produces like a top R winger because he's played on the top line. So therefore he is overrated and his contract is an albatross. Trade him now.
2. Byfuglien an elite defenseman any team would cover is going to regress rapidly and become useless because other D-men at his age have regressed before, so his contract is an albatross. Trade him now.
3. Laine only scored 30 goals and 50 points while failing to find chemistry up and down the line-up but was one if our best players in the playoffs while playing injured. He's obviously a bust so trade him now or make sure not to pay him market value.
4. Our best players will net solid, but perhaps not equal returns, so trade them now.
5. Despite a tough first month Myers played perhaps the best hockey of his career, don't resign him.
6. The Jets regressed this season but still finished well within the playoff rankings and lost a hard fought series against a team currently in the semi's so fire all the coaches.

Let me know if I missed anything!


- MikeDedly

1. This may actually be true. Wheeler’s numbers went down across the board for the 2nd season in a row. Combine that with his being slow and injured until Finland, his being visibly disengaged for the last 25 games, and all the murmuring around his potentially being a problematic captain... were probably better off moving Wheeler, and I still love the guy.
2. This one is stupid. Keep Buff until he actually shows cracks, and pray the injury riddled season was a fluke.
3. If you can’t find chemistry and offensive opportunities with noted playmakers *checks notes* Bryan Little and Adam Lowry? Nevermind, Laine must be a bust, trade him.
4. Always trade down. Especially when you’re emotional after a bad season.
5. Myers was one of the worst defencemen in the NHL this season. He trended up slowly all season, but it was still a career low for him in most every measurable way.
6. I wanted the Blues to get bounced immediately after our series so nobody could use their success as an excuse for our failure. The 17-18 Jets stomp a mud hole in all 4 remaining teams.

Do we all agree that the lucic or Ladd deals are horrible?
Well guess what, giving Myers 6x6 or anything close to that is equally as bad or worse!!!!!
- Ross77

6 x 6 is a bit overboard, I will agree. Too much and too long. But will he sign for 3 or 4 years at 5.5?

As bad as Ladd or Lucic contracts are, what about Little? I mean he is still serviceable at this time but the cliff is on the horizon.

Come on Ross, just look at that face. There is definitely something magical there.
- TheUltimateJet

Please tell us that you don't have a Oel Armia shrine at your house???

Please tell us that you don't have a Oel Armia shrine at your house???
- CharlieDog

Is that weird? I’m asking for a friend

Is that weird? I’m asking for a friend
- Rexypoo

One of my friends had a Bobby Hull shrine at his house............ I thought it was a bit weird but, hey, what ever floats your boat I guess....

now just for fun do;
Chairot/Myers
Chairot/Niku

I'm honestly curious
- Ross77

Not a couple of pairings I would want to ice

Chiarot-Myers CF 44.73% xGF 44.90% SCF 45.17% OZF 58.38%
Chiarot-Niku CF 44.19% xGF 40.81% SCF 44.24% OZF 57.46%

6 x 6 is a bit overboard, I will agree. Too much and too long. But will he sign for 3 or 4 years at 5.5?

As bad as Ladd or Lucic contracts are, what about Little? I mean he is still serviceable at this time but the cliff is on the horizon.
- CharlieDog

I think 5.5 for Myers is way too much, to me he is worth at most, 3 years at 4.5 per, at most! there have been reports ( rumours ) teams will offer 6x6. This is his last contract and as he should, take the most for his future and family

Centers around the league get paid a lot, I'm not as worried about little's deal as I will be about Wheelers in 2 years, honestly. Look at Little this way, he is an underpaid but underperforming 2nd line center and he is a slightly over paid but over performing 3rd line center.

Not a couple of pairings I would want to ice

Chiarot-Myers CF 44.73% xGF 44.90% SCF 45.17% OZF 58.38%
Chiarot-Niku CF 44.19% xGF 40.81% SCF 44.24% OZF 57.46%
- BWJumper

thanks for doing this. Chairot like Myers will get over paid this summer, I really hope it isn't us. there will be cheaper options that can produce the exact same.

One of my friends had a Bobby Hull shrine at his house............ I thought it was a bit weird but, hey, what ever floats your boat I guess....
- CharlieDog

I too enshrine wife-beating nazi sympathizers in my home

thanks for doing this. Chairot like Myers will get over paid this summer, I really hope it isn't us. there will be cheaper options that can produce the exact same.
- Ross77

It’s weird that people want to sign Myers at all, regardless of what level of player you think he is.

He’s a big, tall boi with a chapters long injury history, approaching the 30 cliff, coming off a career worst season, and not showing any of the hockey IQ that allowed ex-Jets like Hainsey and Enstrom to make the career-lengthening shift to shutdown mode.

I too enshrine wife-beating nazi sympathizers in my home
- Rexypoo

Well you should then seek help then for your mis-direction.

Well you should then seek help then for your mis-direction.
- CharlieDog

There needs to be a sarcasm font

It’s weird that people want to sign Myers at all, regardless of what level of player you think he is.

He’s a big, tall boi with a chapters long injury history, approaching the 30 cliff, coming off a career worst season, and not showing any of the hockey IQ that allowed ex-Jets like Hainsey and Enstrom to make the career-lengthening shift to shutdown mode.
- Rexypoo

Are you sure you are not speaking about Byfuglien?

I too enshrine wife-beating nazi sympathizers in my home
- Rexypoo

sarcasm noted, we (most of us) will not drag this tidbit up when you run for political office. Good luck to the Honorable Rexypoo, MP from charleswood.