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- thechezman

If we are guessing Jersey Numbers this is a fun site:

https://www.hockey-refere...om/teams/NJD/numbers.html

Todd Cordell: On the Devils' need for another top-6 forward and avoiding Pouliot
- Todd.Cordell

Shero will sign him because that’s his boy

*Quoted from the previous blog*

Hall ain't gonna cost that much.

Best comparable to Hall would honestly be the Stone contract. As for Hall himself, let us not forget that he has had a history of injuries. Health should also be a factor involved when it comes to value.

I see him getting signed at 10m considering the cap, maybe even 10.5m. But for him to get 12-13? Not gonna happen even if Ebs signs at 7m.
- EdmHockeyMan

Hall is twice the player of ebs

Maybe not twice the money but how could you give a 50pt guy 7 and a 90pt guy 10?

Hall is twice the player of ebs

Maybe not twice the money but how could you give a 50pt guy 7 and a 90pt guy 10?
- shvingter88

You can't use that logic, although I'm sure agents would like to. Brent Burns is twice the dman Kevin Shattenkirk is, but he's only getting 8 mil compared to Shattenkirk's 6.65. And there's plenty of other examples.

You can't use that logic, although I'm sure agents would like to. Brent Burns is twice the dman Kevin Shattenkirk is, but he's only getting 8 mil compared to Shattenkirk's 6.65. And there's plenty of other examples.
- jersey1414

When did burns sign that contract, before or after shats?

When did burns sign that contract, before or after shats?
- shvingter88

3 years ago.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/brent-burns

When did burns sign that contract, before or after shats?
- shvingter88

Fair point. Substitute Phaneuf instead and the point holds true.

Are there any hard hitting, Stevens type D still play that could be available. I desperately want a crease clearer on this team. He can get 2 minors a game and I wouldnt care. I want that bad ass mofo.

Hall is twice the player of ebs

Maybe not twice the money but how could you give a 50pt guy 7 and a 90pt guy 10?
- shvingter88

* Near 60 (59) point guy if we go by career averages.

*90 point guy with a history of major injuries.

Your best contract comparison for what Hall will end up getting is gonna be the Stone contract. Even then, that's dismissing Hall's list of injuries.

9.5-10m is entirely plausible.

Fair point. Substitute Phaneuf instead and the point holds true.
- jersey1414

Actually shats left money on the table too. Apparently the devils offered more. Super humble.

Are there any hard hitting, Stevens type D still play that could be available. I desperately want a crease clearer on this team. He can get 2 minors a game and I wouldnt care. I want that bad ass mofo.
- Leniwm1

I miss that and a Clarkson

* Near 60 (59) point guy if we go by career averages.

*90 point guy with a history of major injuries.

Your best contract comparison for what Hall will end up getting is gonna be the Stone contract. Even then, that's dismissing Hall's list of injuries.

9.5-10m is entirely plausible.
- EdmHockeyMan

Fair enough

Are there any hard hitting, Stevens type D still play that could be available. I desperately want a crease clearer on this team. He can get 2 minors a game and I wouldnt care. I want that bad ass mofo.
- Leniwm1

It'll just cost you Hall.

It'll just cost you Hall.
- EdmHockeyMan

Man, he was the ONE guy I didnt want traded. But we got Hall so I won't complain. maybe Holland will want to build the team in his image so maybe we can get Larsson back for something else?

Sev + 1st for Draistl and we can sign EK65

* Near 60 (59) point guy if we go by career averages.

*90 point guy with a history of major injuries.

Your best contract comparison for what Hall will end up getting is gonna be the Stone contract. Even then, that's dismissing Hall's list of injuries.

9.5-10m is entirely plausible.
- EdmHockeyMan

Holy crap buddy!!! Look at Eberle's last 4 years & he's a 48.5 PPG average & last year he did 37. He's trending the wrong way. At best he will be in the Lindholm contract range of just under 5.0Mill per if he's lucky. He's going to be 29 next week, so he isnt about to trend over 50 points but probably be lucky to hit 40pts. Hall is easily worth 10 mill per & is going to get $10+ from Jersey.

* Near 60 (59) point guy if we go by career averages.

*90 point guy with a history of major injuries.

Your best contract comparison for what Hall will end up getting is gonna be the Stone contract. Even then, that's dismissing Hall's list of injuries.

9.5-10m is entirely plausible.
- EdmHockeyMan

Hall will get 10m. I'd be shocked if he gets lower.

Eberle's career numbers??
He'll be 29 in a week, and the past 4 years he's averaged 77.5gp, 22.25a, 26.25g. So we want to overpay for a guy averaging 48.5pts, and 11.75 of them coming on the pp. Not to mention what have you done for me lately.. 78gp, 19g, 18a, for a combined 37pts.. with 12 being on the pp. The best thing he does is stay out of the box, but even with all that ice time literally on the top line his whole career.. this is what we have. The prime of his career came and went and he averaged under 50p. You wana pay him 6-8mil to get worse with age? I'm sure he'll hit 50 with us again.. a nice improvement from 37.. but do we really want to spend 7mil on not even a guaranteed 50pts instead of 80% less on a Bratt or someone that could also hit 50pts.

"If he helps Hall re-sign!!..." I think a higher quality winger for the same price or a little more would also help Hall re-sign. I don't put much stock into "best buddies" from a few years ago, if they even were best friends. If I'm Hall, which I'm obviously not, I want to see my organization making moves to improve the team for this year and the next several that I'm signing up for. Eberle is far from that. 37ps in 78 games. 59pts and 25g in 81gp the year prior. I'd rather take my chances on Bratt, Coleman, Zacha, heck even Bo or Bastian.. not that I think half those guys will hit 50 this year, but they could at least match 37 on a budget-friendly deal.

I'd rather pony up a few more mil and obtain another game-breaker for a few mil more a year. Going from a 2nd/3rd liner on the decline at 7mil, in exchange for a top line guy for just 2-3mil more a year?.. math makes sense to me.

I agree with Larsson.. we may not even have to make a significant move. But if we do, it needs to be money WELL spent. We need to be efficient with the gift that is our cap space- we won't have it forever. Eberle isn't an efficient use of the overpayment he'll receive.

Holy crap buddy!!! Look at Eberle's last 4 years & he's a 48.5 PPG average & last year he did 37. He's trending the wrong way. At best he will be in the Lindholm contract range of just under 5.0Mill per if he's lucky. He's going to be 29 next week, so he isnt about to trend over 50 points but probably be lucky to hit 40pts. Hall is easily worth 10 mill per & is going to get $10+ from Jersey.
- Kevin R

The last regular season was an anomaly as in it was a down year. He isn't trending down in any manner. In fact, prior to this regular season, he had a (near) 60 point season that was higher than the previous year. He'll likely still hit 60 1-3 more times in his career, but in general, he'll be near that number.

You also seem to be ignoring his contributions in the playoffs for this year's post-season if we are looking at recent trends...

Holy crap buddy!!! Look at Eberle's last 4 years & he's a 48.5 PPG average & last year he did 37. He's trending the wrong way. At best he will be in the Lindholm contract range of just under 5.0Mill per if he's lucky. He's going to be 29 next week, so he isnt about to trend over 50 points but probably be lucky to hit 40pts. Hall is easily worth 10 mill per & is going to get $10+ from Jersey.
- Kevin R

... took the words out of my mouth. way to steal my thunder. Eberle will get more than 5mil, which is why I'm not interested.

Man, he was the ONE guy I didnt want traded. But we got Hall so I won't complain. maybe Holland will want to build the team in his image so maybe we can get Larsson back for something else?

Sev + 1st for Draistl and we can sign EK65
- Leniwm1

Gonna have to add from your side, but it's close.

Gonna have to add from your side, but it's close.
- EdmHockeyMan

+Anderson and Speers and you add a 3rd.

Hall will get 10m. I'd be shocked if he gets lower.

Eberle's career numbers??
He'll be 29 in a week, and the past 4 years he's averaged 77.5gp, 22.25a, 26.25g. So we want to overpay for a guy averaging 48.5pts, and 11.75 of them coming on the pp. Not to mention what have you done for me lately.. 78gp, 19g, 18a, for a combined 37pts.. with 12 being on the pp. The best thing he does is stay out of the box, but even with all that ice time literally on the top line his whole career.. this is what we have. The prime of his career came and went and he averaged under 50p. You wana pay him 6-8mil to get worse with age? I'm sure he'll hit 50 with us again.. a nice improvement from 37.. but do we really want to spend 7mil on not even a guaranteed 50pts instead of 80% less on a Bratt or someone that could also hit 50pts.

"If he helps Hall re-sign!!..." I think a higher quality winger for the same price or a little more would also help Hall re-sign. I don't put much stock into "best buddies" from a few years ago, if they even were best friends. If I'm Hall, which I'm obviously not, I want to see my organization making moves to improve the team for this year and the next several that I'm signing up for. Eberle is far from that. 37ps in 78 games. 59pts and 25g in 81gp the year prior. I'd rather take my chances on Bratt, Coleman, Zacha, heck even Bo or Bastian.. not that I think half those guys will hit 50 this year, but they could at least match 37 on a budget-friendly deal.

I'd rather pony up a few more mil and obtain another game-breaker for a few mil more a year. Going from a 2nd/3rd liner on the decline at 7mil, in exchange for a top line guy for just 2-3mil more a year?.. math makes sense to me.

I agree with Larsson.. we may not even have to make a significant move. But if we do, it needs to be money WELL spent. We need to be efficient with the gift that is our cap space- we won't have it forever. Eberle isn't an efficient use of the overpayment he'll receive.
- MartysBetter88

So you're just gonna ignore his very recent contributions to this year's playoffs for NYI?

Nonetheless, I see your concerns and arguments when it comes to Eberle. However, I guess it's just a subjective take by me when it comes to his trajectory when considering everything.

I guess agree to disagree?

So you're just gonna ignore his very recent contributions to this year's playoffs for NYI?
- EdmHockeyMan

He played 78 games & hit 37 points in a "contract" year where players usually over perform. He finally decided to play a little inspired in the first series. How many points did he get against Carolina? I have some real staunch Oiler buddies in my hockey pools & they were celebrating when Oilers traded him. You give that kid more than 5.0 mill per on probably a 5 or 6 year deal deal & watch him coast next year.

You also mention his almost 60 points in 2017-18 but the two years before were 47 & 51. I honestly dont see how you can say this guy at 29 is going to start hitting a point plateau he hasnt hit since the 2014-15 season. As a Flames fan I hope the Oilers resign him for a 5 year $30 mill deal & have to trade Nurse to fit him in. He may hit 60 points if you leave him on the McDavid line all year. But I think you guys already tried that didnt you?

... took the words out of my mouth. way to steal my thunder. Eberle will get more than 5mil, which is why I'm not interested.
- MartysBetter88

Other then Skinner and Panarin there really aren't any slam dunk star wingers. Guys like Eberle and Nyquist are consolation prizes for franchises like New Jersey who can't attract the big names. Sad but true.

I'd bet though that Shero will improve the top 6 via trade. That's my bet with all the picks he can dangle this year. Plus it's a good year with all the top teams taken out in the first round. You know a few are going to want to make drastic moves that can work to our benefit.