Zegras will probably be a 70 point forward in the NHL for years to come but you will need a team with a totally different make up to support him. It could take a number of years to change that.

Brackett has said they look for players that will fit into their organization.
- manvanfan

im sure they can fit a 70 point forward into the organization

I see most of these dmen ranked at around #10 being closer to Woo than Hughes as prospects
- Nucker101

I had Woo at 26th on my board last season. I was so sure that he wouldn't make it to Van that I bet against him getting to Van. Cost my a six pack to buddy but well worth it IMO.

im sure they can fit a 70 point forward into the organization
- Codes1087

im sure they can fit a 70 point forward into the organization
- Codes1087

(frank) ya! Van's going to be the new Leafs. Who's going to be Boston in the West? CGY? VGK?

I see most of these dmen ranked at around #10 being closer to Woo than Hughes as prospects
- Nucker101

Hughes is a special talent. If he was 6" he would have challenged Dahlin for 1OA I think. I see several Dmen in this draft with a 2nd pairing floor and 1st pairing ceiling. Something that is worth taking a chance on at 10OA, Just like I see guys like Newhook and Lavoie being more of a 2nd liner in the NHL. A second pairing Dman is more valuable than a 2nd line winger. For all we know Newhook could turn out to be the best player in this draft 10 years from now, or some Dman taken in the 3rd round ended up being the best. At 10 you look at the kids with the highest ceiling, and then look at the highest floor.

If a kid looks like he could put up 90 points a year, but could also be an AHL plug, do you take him over a guy who looks like he could be an 80 point guy or could also be a 40 point guy?

(frank) ya! Van's going to be the new Leafs. Who's going to be Boston in the West? CGY? VGK?
- manvanfan

How much toughness did Pittsburgh have when they won 2 in a row? You don't need a team of guys who hit in the playoffs. You need guys who aren't scared of being hit, aren't scared to battle for the puck. I would take a guy who can put up 70 points and battles in the corners and is willing to take a hit to make a pass or get in a scoring lane rather than a guy who puts up 40 points, battles in the corners and puts up 200+ hits a year.

Hughes is a special talent. If he was 6" he would have challenged Dahlin for 1OA I think. I see several Dmen in this draft with a 2nd pairing floor and 1st pairing ceiling. Something that is worth taking a chance on at 10OA, Just like I see guys like Newhook and Lavoie being more of a 2nd liner in the NHL. A second pairing Dman is more valuable than a 2nd line winger. For all we know Newhook could turn out to be the best player in this draft 10 years from now, or some Dman taken in the 3rd round ended up being the best. At 10 you look at the kids with the highest ceiling, and then look at the highest floor.

If a kid looks like he could put up 90 points a year, but could also be an AHL plug, do you take him over a guy who looks like he could be an 80 point guy or could also be a 40 point guy?
- Retinalz

That's why around 10 is kind of a hard spot to draft in the first round. You don't want to take a huge swing at someone who may not turn out but don't want to draft someone who has a higher floor with less potential.

If someone falls great. If not that's why I would trade down to get someone with a higher floor. Pick up another asset later on where you can then grab someone that you feel might have a higher boom or bust.

That's why around 10 is kind of a hard spot to draft in the first round. You don't want to take a huge swing at someone who may not turn out but don't want to draft someone who has a higher floor with less potential.

If someone falls great. If not that's why I would trade down to get someone with a higher floor. Pick up another asset later on where you can then grab someone that you feel might have a higher boom or bust.
- manvanfan

I just think that the only reason to trade down is if guys like Dach, Zegras, Boldy, Pod, Turcotte, Krebs are all gone. If any one of them are there at 10, you take them. Even Cozens I would have a hard time passing up at 10 TBH.

Hughes is a special talent. If he was 6" he would have challenged Dahlin for 1OA I think. I see several Dmen in this draft with a 2nd pairing floor and 1st pairing ceiling. Something that is worth taking a chance on at 10OA, Just like I see guys like Newhook and Lavoie being more of a 2nd liner in the NHL. A second pairing Dman is more valuable than a 2nd line winger. For all we know Newhook could turn out to be the best player in this draft 10 years from now, or some Dman taken in the 3rd round ended up being the best. At 10 you look at the kids with the highest ceiling, and then look at the highest floor.

If a kid looks like he could put up 90 points a year, but could also be an AHL plug, do you take him over a guy who looks like he could be an 80 point guy or could also be a 40 point guy?
- Retinalz

This is not always true. I would say Marchessault is more valuable than Schmidt or Merrill for example, or that Lee is more valuable than Mayfield/Pelech

It's too nebulous to generically say that a 2nd line winger is less valuable

How much toughness did Pittsburgh have when they won 2 in a row? You don't need a team of guys who hit in the playoffs. You need guys who aren't scared of being hit, aren't scared to battle for the puck. I would take a guy who can put up 70 points and battles in the corners and is willing to take a hit to make a pass or get in a scoring lane rather than a guy who puts up 40 points, battles in the corners and puts up 200+ hits a year.
- Retinalz

Pittsburgh over the 2 years they won cups were 8th in hits in the regular season. Toughness isn't just hitting.

Nobody would pass up a player that can do all of that for a 40 point player who hits 200+ times a year. I wouldn't pass that up.

We are talking about a perimeter player who scores 75 points a season vs a guy who does all that who is a 60 point player.

I would love for Pearson to have a decent season next year and get flipped at the TDL
- Nucker101

Very possible but unlikely IMO. I have us at 17-20 next season and if we are flirting with the WC spot doubtful guys like Pearson are moved after an 18 goals season last year. I think they wanna give him the full season here to see if he's for real.

I just think that the only reason to trade down is if guys like Dach, Zegras, Boldy, Pod, Turcotte, Krebs are all gone. If any one of them are there at 10, you take them. Even Cozens I would have a hard time passing up at 10 TBH.
- Retinalz

I would take 4 out of those 6 players at 10. If the other 3 players are there at 10 and someone else is high on them, you could walk away with another asset for a player you may feel has the same amount of upside.

Same as with JB talking to VGK knowing they wanted Glass and as JB said they might have even traded down to Buffalo but with NYR moving up, they were worried about NYR.

I would take 4 out of those 6 players at 10. If the other 3 players are there at 10 and someone else is high on them, you could walk away with another asset for a player you may feel has the same amount of upside.

Same as with JB talking to VGK knowing they wanted Glass and as JB said they might have even traded down to Buffalo but with NYR moving up, they were worried about NYR.
- manvanfan

Which 3? Who are you targeting over them? Why do you like your targets more? Is an extra 3rd worth the drop? Or are we falling down enough to get an extra 2nd or 1st?

I would take 4 out of those 6 players at 10. If the other 3 players are there at 10 and someone else is high on them, you could walk away with another asset for a player you may feel has the same amount of upside.

Same as with JB talking to VGK knowing they wanted Glass and as JB said they might have even traded down to Buffalo but with NYR moving up, they were worried about NYR.
- manvanfan

Trading down isn’t worth it. Value of picks declines rapidly after 12-13. 10 is a great spot for JB to do his thing. No need to assume who other teams will pick. There’s a lot of guys to like at 10.

IMac yesterday: 5 things that will get the Canucks into the playoffs next year

1) Development
2) Better PP
3) Trades
4)Free Agency
5) Luck/Injury

IMac yesterday: 5 things that will get the Canucks into the playoffs next year

1) Development
2) Better PP
3) Trades
4)Free Agency
5) Luck/Injury
- VANTEL

Number 5 is my favourite! !!

Number 5 is my favourite! !!
- CanuckDon

Two big things needed for that . Get rid of the often injured and play more in the other teams end.

Two big things needed for that . Get rid of the often injured and play more in the other teams end.
- VANTEL

As much as people don't want him here. I would be perfectly fine with trading Tanev and giving Myers a 4-5 year deal. Aside from a major injury taking him out for a season 3 years ago, he played 80 and 82 games the last couple season. He would be a good partner to have with Quinn Hughes. Probably costs around 6.5-7m though.

As much as people don't want him here. I would be perfectly fine with trading Tanev and giving Myers a 4-5 year deal. Aside from a major injury taking him out for a season 3 years ago, he played 80 and 82 games the last couple season. He would be a good partner to have with Quinn Hughes. Probably costs around 6.5-7m though.
- Retinalz

Hutton and Tanev need to go. Don’t care about the return

As much as people don't want him here. I would be perfectly fine with trading Tanev and giving Myers a 4-5 year deal. Aside from a major injury taking him out for a season 3 years ago, he played 80 and 82 games the last couple season. He would be a good partner to have with Quinn Hughes. Probably costs around 6.5-7m though.
- Retinalz

No matter what they do it will piss off half the people/fans

Term and cost would be the deciding vote

If you can move out Tanev and bring in Myers the difference is really only 2 mil

No matter what they do it will piss off half the people/fans

Term and cost would be the deciding vote

If you can move out Tanev and bring in Myers the difference is really only 2 mil
- VANTEL

The org needs to stop worrying about the fans 🤬🤬🤬run the (frank)ing team and stop worrying about feelings

Two big things needed for that . Get rid of the often injured and play more in the other teams end.
- VANTEL

Nowhere near as likely to get injured when they get hit with shots from their own defencemen.

Holland said today we have a great young core and top priority would be a new coach , a goalie and get rid of bad contracts.

My first thought was Marky Eriksson and for Lucic and 8 th OA. Both teams retain 2.5 mil on Loui and Milan for future trading purpose.

Nowhere near as likely to get injured when they get hit with shots from their own defencemen.
- YeOldTimer

Holland said today we have a great young core and top priority would be a new coach , a goalie and get rid of bad contracts.

My first thought was Marky Eriksson and for Lucic and 8 th OA. Both teams retain 2.5 mil on Loui and Milan for future trading purpose.
- VANTEL

The oilers signed their goalie of the future 6 months ago. I suspect he is looking for a backup. Yes, I know their goalie sucks