What a joke. That’s 5 and a suspension

Marner is a franchise level star. If you’re a contender your firsts are going to be low-ish, and the likelihood that you’ll hit on a franchise level star is super low. Furthermore, they’ll take about three years since the draft to develop. So if you’re a contender, the instant injection of a franchise level star is well worth four lotto tickets that in best case scenario will only have a major impact when your core is 3-4 years older than they are right now.
- Victoro311

Lol obviously. How about 4 1sts in the 5-10 range? Funny how you didn’t mention this. Marner could go for the money instead. It happens ALL the time.

My point is I find 4 1sts very valuable IF you’re picking Top 10 for the next 4 years.

The Pittsburgh Penguins (colloquially known as the Pens) are a professional ice hockey team based in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. They are members of the Metropolitan Division of the Eastern Conference of the National Hockey League (NHL). The Penguins are one of two NHL franchises in Pennsylvania, the other being the Philadelphia Flyers. The cities' proximity has led to a rivalry known as the "Battle of Pennsylvania". The club is owned by Mario Lemieux and Ronald Burkle, who purchased the Penguins in 1999 and brought the club out of bankruptcy.

The franchise was founded in 1967 as one of the first expansion teams during the league's original expansion from six to twelve teams. The Penguins played in the Civic Arena, also known as The Igloo, from the time of their inception through the end of the 2009–10 season, when they moved to the Consol Energy Center, which was later renamed PPG Paints Arena. The 1992–93 Penguins won the franchise's first-ever Presidents' Trophy for being the team with the most points at the end of the regular season. In addition to their eight division titles, they have qualified for six Stanley Cup Finals, winning the Stanley Cup five times – in 1991, 1992, 2009, 2016, and 2017. Along with the Edmonton Oilers, the Penguins are tied for the most Stanley Cup championships among non-Original Six teams and sixth overall. With their Stanley Cup wins in 2016 and 2017, the Penguins became the first back-to-back champions in 19 years (since the 1997–98 Detroit Red Wings) and the first team to do so since the introduction of the NHL salary cap. They also became the fifth team to accomplish this feat multiple times.

Before the Penguins, Pittsburgh had been the home of the NHL's Pirates from 1925 to 1930 and of the American Hockey League Hornets franchise from 1936 to 1967 (with a short break from 1956 to 1961). In the spring of 1965, Jack McGregor, a state senator from Kittanning, began lobbying campaign contributors and community leaders to bring an NHL franchise back to Pittsburgh. The group focused on leveraging the NHL as an urban renewal tool for Pittsburgh. The senator formed a group of local investors that included H. J. Heinz Company heir H. J. Heinz III, Pittsburgh Steelers owner Art Rooney, and the Mellon family's Richard Mellon Scaife. The projected league expansion depended on securing votes from the then-current NHL owners; to ensure that Pittsburgh would be selected as one of the expansion cities, McGregor enlisted Rooney to petition votes from James D. Norris, owner of the Chicago Black Hawks, and his brother Bruce Norris, owner of the Detroit Red Wings. The effort was successful, and on February 8, 1966, the National Hockey League awarded an expansion team to Pittsburgh for the 1967–68 season. The Penguins paid $2.5 million ($19.5 million today) for their entry and $750,000 ($5.6 million today) more for start-up costs. The Civic Arena's capacity was then boosted from 10,732 to 12,500 to meet the NHL requirements for expansion. The Pens also paid an indemnification bill to settle with the Detroit Red Wings, which owned the Pittsburgh Hornets franchise. The investor group named McGregor president and chief executive officer, and he represented Pittsburgh on the NHL's Board of Governors.

A contest was held where 700 of 26,000 entries picked "Penguins" as the nickname for the team. Mark Peters had the winning entry (which was inspired by the fact that the team was to play in the "Igloo", the nickname of the Pittsburgh Civic Arena),
- jmatchett383[4][5] a logo was chosen that had a penguin in front of a triangle, which symbolized the "Golden Triangle" of downtown Pittsburgh."[4][6] The Penguins' first general manager, Jack Riley, opened the first pre-season camp for the franchise in Brantford, Ontario,[7] on September 13, 1967, playing the franchise's first exhibition match in Brantford against the Philadelphia Flyers on September 23, 1967. The Pens, along with the rest of the expansion teams, were hampered by restrictive rules which kept most major talent with the existing "Original Six" teams. Beyond aging sniper Andy Bathgate, All-Star defenseman Leo Boivin (who had begun his professional career with the Hornets) and Ranger veteran Earl Ingarfield, the first Penguins team was largely manned by a cast of former minor leaguers. A number of the players had played for the Hornets the previous season: Bathgate, wingers Val Fonteyne and Ab McDonald, and goaltenders Hank Bassen and Joe Daley. George Sullivan was named the head coach for the club's first two seasons, and McDonald was named the team's first captain.

On October 11, 1967, league president Clarence Campbell and McGregor jointly dropped the ceremonial first puck of the Penguins' opening home game against the Montreal Canadiens.[3] On October 21, 1967, they became the first team from the expansion class to defeat an Original Six team, as they defeated the Chicago Black Hawks 4–2. However, the Penguins went 27–34–13 and finished in fifth place in the West Division, missing the playoffs and ending with the third worst record in the league. The team's best player proved to be longtime Cleveland Barons AHL goaltender Les Binkley, who recorded a 2.88 goals against average and was second in the league in shutouts with six. Defensive winger Ken Schinkel won the team's sole league honor, being named to represent the Penguins in the NHL All-Star Game. Bathgate led the team in scoring with 59 points, but retired at season's end. McDonald, who led the team in goals and was second in team scoring, was also gone at season's end, traded to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for center Lou Angotti.

The next season, 1968–69, saw the team slip in the standings in the midst of a sharp drop in form by Binkley, into sixth place and with the league's worst record. Several changes were made to try to improve the team, resulting in Boivin and several others being traded, and new players—including longtime future Pens star Jean Pronovost—making their debuts. No captain was named to replace McDonald, and the team went with four alternate captains. Schinkel was again the team's lone All-Star.

F that. Hahaha not reading it

Yeah I am moving in just under a month but it isn't for work. It's to get the F out of Florida.
- Feds91Stammer

What’s up with Florida Feds? Hard to find a job? Do you live close to the Panthers arena?

Why does this not surprise me.
- Grinder47

Hahah indeed

Agreed. Therrien 375-284 record. Missed the playoffs three times in 9 full seasons, one was his first in Pitt.

AV is 648-435 finishing 1st in his division 7 times in 12 seasons with VAN/NYR. He went to the cup final twice

Wasn’t Yeo our assistant when we won in 2009? Maybe he’s just a better assistant and a HC. Yeo’s GM (Cliff Fletchers son) also got canned from MN and clearly was ok bringing him onboard in Philly
- WSCTeton17

We have a lot of accomplished GMs and coaches on this board. If you disagree with anything they say you’ll be scrutinized. Who’s Alain Vigneault and Michel Therrien close to these guys? lol

Ps. I thought Philly did well with the hiring of both. Yeo could help too.

I bet Torts wishes he didn't open his big fat stupid mouth

I bet Torts wishes he didn't open his big fat stupid mouth
- Rinosaur

That was very dumb

Lol obviously. How about 4 1sts in the 5-10 range? Funny how you didn’t mention this. Marner could go for the money instead. It happens ALL the time.

My point is I find 4 1sts very valuable IF you’re picking Top 10 for the next 4 years.
- Barnaby36

A non-contender is probably not going to extend an offer sheet for that exact reason though. We’re talking specifically contenders here. And honestly even then, it’d be pretty smart for a non contender to do it too. With the parity in the league, you can’t count on your pick falling anywhere for multiple years unless you’re specifically the Oilers or Senators. The odds are better with Marner

Jordan Staal deserves another cup so yeah, Go Canes indeed!

That hit was so bad...

If you haven’t seen the CBC interview with Marchand before and after the game you should look it up. Guy acts like a scumbag constantly and then skates off in a fit when he’s called out on it, then pouts after the big win. Great role model for kids

That hit was so bad...

If you haven’t seen the CBC interview with Marchand before and after the game you should look it up. Guy acts like a scumbag constantly and then skates off in a fit when he’s called out on it, then pouts after the big win. Great role model for kids
- WSCTeton17

Guys making hits like that in such a close and important game tells you that these players know full well they will get away with that.

Have to think the refs/linesmen didnt get a good look at it and didnt want to make the 5 vs 2 minute decision and risk happening what happened between SJ/VGK.

Bruins are garbage. Marchand is a little punk. I'm good with Carolina or any team in the West winning it. I really like San Jose/Colorado.

A non-contender is probably not going to extend an offer sheet for that exact reason though. We’re talking specifically contenders here. And honestly even then, it’d be pretty smart for a non contender to do it too. With the parity in the league, you can’t count on your pick falling anywhere for multiple years unless you’re specifically the Oilers or Senators. The odds are better with Marner
- Victoro311

Fair point

Guys making hits like that in such a close and important game tells you that these players know full well they will get away with that.

Have to think the refs/linesmen didnt get a good look at it and didnt want to make the 5 vs 2 minute decision and risk happening what happened between SJ/VGK.

Bruins are garbage. Marchand is a little punk. I'm good with Carolina or any team in the West winning it. I really like San Jose/Colorado.
- SuperHenderson13

I hate the Bruins tbh.

I hate the Bruins tbh.
- Barnaby36

The “I hate Bruins” house is a strong, noble one

What a joke. That’s 5 and a suspension
- Thorny87

Kinda sickening how often Boston sports teams have their hands held all the way to championships. Any player on any other team hitting a bruin like that and it's not even up for debate...5, and multiple game suspension (kadri last season for example).

The fact that no one in the league has bent Marchands knee the wrong way, or caved his head in proves my point that hockey has fallen far from the beautiful game it once was.

The fact that no one in the league has bent Marchands knee the wrong way, or caved his head in proves my point that hockey has fallen far from the beautiful game it once was.
- Grinder47

Yup and there was no retribution on the dude that took out the CBJ guy. In the old days he was forced to fight and also take some runs. But hey zone entry stats!

Yup and there was no retribution on the dude that took out the CBJ guy. In the old days he was forced to fight and also take some runs. But hey zone entry stats!
- sammy87

Was it McCavoy? Anderson took a big hit to the chin.

What happened after the game? I heard Marchand acted like an idiot

You arm your bench with 3 NHL failures. Can't be feeling too good about that.
- Feds91Stammer

Aside from Yeo, I'm actually fine with it.

Yup and there was no retribution on the dude that took out the CBJ guy. In the old days he was forced to fight and also take some runs. But hey zone entry stats!
- sammy87

I doubt you'd want to pick up a 5-minute major in a potential elimination game (see Lemieux on Draper). Take care of that next season.

I doubt you'd want to pick up a 5-minute major in a potential elimination game (see Lemieux on Draper). Take care of that next season.
- jmatchett383

I remember that hit Lindros gave to Dackell's head. Nasty stuff!

What’s up with Florida Feds? Hard to find a job? Do you live close to the Panthers arena?
- Barnaby36

God you guys are stupid. Tampa is not close to the Panthers arena. I need a job because I am quitting my current one and moving...

I remember that hit Lindros gave to Dackell's head. Nasty stuff!
- Barnaby36

That was one of the hardest hits ever. Back then, hits like that, as well as the Stevens hit on Lindros, were legal.

God you guys are stupid. Tampa is not close to the Panthers arena. I need a job because I am quitting my current one and moving...
- Feds91Stammer

Where you moving to? Alabama? Wyoming? Montana? Republic of Congo?