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opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

May 6 @ 9:31 PM ET
Damn Bruins just pulling away.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 6 @ 9:39 PM ET
IMO 99% coaches are about the same. You do get the occasional visionary like Bowman or Shero... but mostly they're a product of their player quality, and mostly at the mercy of their goaltending.

Trotz, Berube, etc haven't really made an appreciable difference to their teams. Isles are still bad in almost every defensive measure. The Blues shot-share and scoring chance balance have decreased under Chief. But the common thread is that they're getting astronomically good goaltending.

A full season of Hart is gonna make AV look great.

- Tomahawk


Trotz came in and the team went from the worst defensive team in the league to the best defensive team in the league but you state he didnt make an appreciable difference? This is poor statistical analysis on your part at it's finest. The players deserve most of the credit but he does also for getting the buy in from the team. Shot data and scoring chance data is overrated.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 6 @ 9:47 PM ET
IMO 99% coaches are about the same. You do get the occasional visionary like Bowman or Shero... but mostly they're a product of their player quality, and mostly at the mercy of their goaltending.

Trotz, Berube, etc haven't really made an appreciable difference to their teams. Isles are still bad in almost every defensive measure. The Blues shot-share and scoring chance balance have decreased under Chief. But the common thread is that they're getting astronomically good goaltending.

A full season of Hart is gonna make AV look great.

- Tomahawk


Was it a coincidence that lehner and Greiss had career years for the isles together? The truth may lie somewhere in between our statements. I think strategy wise there aren’t many differences around the league, but there seems to be a lot more to it
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

May 6 @ 9:49 PM ET
Playoff Bob..
- opeth_pa

but Plind told us that he ate the Bruins lunch that one game.....they also beat him cleanly three times and hit the post...but who cares about that
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

May 6 @ 9:52 PM ET
I hate the Bruins.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 6 @ 9:57 PM ET
I hate the Bruins.
- FlyerFan16

goenzoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.11.2014

May 6 @ 10:22 PM ET
Hate the thought of Yeo as a head coach but I'm willing to give him a chance as an assistant. Knoblach didn't seem to bring much to the table so I don't think it's a loss by any means.
- hereticpride


Not so sure.Yeo did things different and he lost players quicker then other coaches
But as AV will be headcoach I hope he knows what he is doing
Like AV a lot as he is a offensive coach but I still don't think he is the right man for the Flyers.Particularly the contract he got is wrong.
But let's hope that Carter Hart is great in first 30 games and they can play offensive fun hockey and still got time to grow defence.
GM still need to do some homework.
Expect big trade with Oilers never understood why they got Talbot and saved money for Edmonton
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 6 @ 10:27 PM ET
Not so sure.Yeo did things different and he lost players quicker then other coaches
But as AV will be headcoach I hope he knows what he is doing
Like AV a lot as he is a offensive coach but I still don't think he is the right man for the Flyers.Particularly the contract he got is wrong.
But let's hope that Carter Hart is great in first 30 games and they can play offensive fun hockey and still got time to grow defence.
GM still need to do some homework.
Expect big trade with Oilers never understood why they got Talbot and saved money for Edmonton

- goenzoy

What’s wrong with Alain Vigneault’s contract? Does it count against the cap?
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

May 6 @ 11:09 PM ET
If Columbus loses all there F/A and goes full rebuild go after Seth Jones ...one can always hope
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

May 6 @ 11:10 PM ET

Another good night for Ratcliffe, 2 goals +3 and his team won 7 to 2. He has had a really terrific playoff performance.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 6 @ 11:29 PM ET
Another good night for Ratcliffe, 2 goals +3 and his team won 7 to 2. He has had a really terrific playoff performance.
- NC Flyers Fan

Giroux, Voracek, JvR, Konecny, Lindblom, Hartman, Raffl, Frost. If Giroux plays wing from here on out within his career, Ratcliffe will have to beat Frost for the last wing spot. Not that I’m actually expecting Ratcliffe to make the team.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 6 @ 11:38 PM ET
Giroux, Voracek, JvR, Konecny, Lindblom, Hartman, Raffl, Frost. If Giroux plays wing from here on out within his career, Ratcliffe will have to beat Frost for the last wing spot. Not that I’m actually expecting Ratcliffe to make the team.
- SuperSchennBros

Both players won’t be hurt by playing for the phantoms for a year or two.
jaws1955
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blairstown, NJ
Joined: 12.30.2015

May 6 @ 11:42 PM ET
Both players won’t be hurt by playing for the phantoms for a year or two.
- coffee junkie

Let's not forget we have Farabee in that mix too.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 6 @ 11:53 PM ET
Let's not forget we have Farabee in that mix too.
- jaws1955

So many want Giroux at wing and a second line center. Couturier is clearly a top six center. In my opinion, Patrick should be allowed to continue to grow within the second line center role. I would be more so looking into bottom six depth. I’m gonna be calling for Brian Boyle the next two months. With this said, Giroux playing wing or center should strictly depend on what the future holds and I think we’re over flowing at wing now.

JvR-Giroux-Voracek
Lindblom-Couturier-Konecny
Frost-Patrick-Raffl
Laughton-Boyle-Hartman

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
JvR-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Laughton-Frost
Raffl-Boyle-Hartman

I don’t know. You make it work.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 7 @ 2:52 AM ET
Trotz came in and the team went from the worst defensive team in the league to the best defensive team in the league but you state he didnt make an appreciable difference? This is poor statistical analysis on your part at it's finest. The players deserve most of the credit but he does also for getting the buy in from the team. Shot data and scoring chance data is overrated.
- MJL


Do you really think a .928 team SV% is sustainable?

(We're not talking about Dominik Hasek here. Lehner (or whoever)/Greiss)
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 7 @ 3:01 AM ET
Was it a coincidence that lehner and Greiss had career years for the isles together? The truth may lie somewhere in between our statements. I think strategy wise there aren’t many differences around the league, but there seems to be a lot more to it
- Just5


If the Isles were somehow shutting it down around the net or something, I might buy that Trotz had something to do w/ the goalies. But they bled chances in close.

The narrative that Trotz came in turned them into this defensive juggernaut is lazy national broadcast fluff. It was all goaltending.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

May 7 @ 5:23 AM ET
I hate the Bruins.
- FlyerFan16

They look like the flyers decades ago! Skill, grit, mean and nasty. And great goaltending 😜
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 7 @ 6:35 AM ET
If Therrien couldn’t stand P.K.....he’s gonna love ghost. I see multiple norrises
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 7 @ 6:37 AM ET
If the Isles were somehow shutting it down around the net or something, I might buy that Trotz had something to do w/ the goalies. But they bled chances in close.

The narrative that Trotz came in turned them into this defensive juggernaut is lazy national broadcast fluff. It was all goaltending.

- Tomahawk


Well even though they swept Pittsburgh. I wasn’t impressed and this narrative did ring true for that series. I think more credit is due to trotz. Especially if they turn back into the 1 and done capitals that we used to love
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 7 @ 7:27 AM ET
I'm really starting to think hits to the head should automatically go to the war room for review/penalization. The refs have no continuity whatsoever. At least in theory a hub making the calls should be more consistent.
- hereticpride



don't worry they will suspend him for the rest of the series
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 7 @ 7:30 AM ET
So many want Giroux at wing and a second line center. Couturier is clearly a top six center. In my opinion, Patrick should be allowed to continue to grow within the second line center role. I would be more so looking into bottom six depth. I’m gonna be calling for Brian Boyle the next two months. With this said, Giroux playing wing or center should strictly depend on what the future holds and I think we’re over flowing at wing now.

JvR-Giroux-Voracek
Lindblom-Couturier-Konecny
Frost-Patrick-Raffl
Laughton-Boyle-Hartman

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
JvR-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Laughton-Frost



Raffl-Boyle-Hartman
I don’t know. You make it work.

- SuperSchennBros




I wouldnt mind Boyle, I think he can play some 3C. I prefer they go after a 2C or a sniper, whatever is the better deal. I dont think they can do both due to the fact they need a D
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

May 7 @ 7:43 AM ET

Really glad Gordon is staying with the organization. I think he has done a nice job with player development. Really like his thinking. The Phantoms have a lot of new kids coming this season and should be really interesting.


Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 7 @ 7:52 AM ET
but Plind told us that he ate the Bruins lunch that one game.....they also beat him cleanly three times and hit the post...but who cares about that
- KINGKENZO


You think playoff Bob is bad? Get a load of playoff Ben tonight
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 7 @ 8:02 AM ET
5 years ago today Hexy was hired as the GM.

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 7 @ 8:05 AM ET
5 years ago today Hexy was hired as the GM.
- MBFlyerfan


Lol
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