Yeah, Carolina just owned the puck all series, especially late-game/OT.

They were one of the best possession teams under Bill Peters, and that continued under Brindy. Their team is purpose-built to own the puck -- their front-office has a strong analytics bent.
- Tomahawk

Did you just disproved your argument that coaches do not matter much?

Did you just disproved your argument that coaches do not matter much?
- missingmike

I took it as him saying it was the team and the way the team was built and not so much the coaching.

Did you just disproved your argument that coaches do not matter much?
- missingmike

Nope.

Nope.
- Tomahawk

So players designed, trained, and implemented puck possession strategy by themselves?

So players designed, trained, and implemented puck possession strategy by themselves?
- missingmike

Yeah.... no.

BP put in a good strategy, but he was a consistently poor motivator. Brind'amour grabbed the team and is the one that has these guys believing they can actually get it done.

And yes, the front office leans heavily on analytics. The entire organization does at every level.

So CockKnoble is out?
- Landsbergfan

His name is Noobauch a German player on Fortnite. 🤙🥳

I’m really hoping that the Stanley Cup Final features the Blues and Canes. Rod Brind’Amour, Justin Williams, Petr Mrazek, Brayden Schenn and Craig Berube. All former Flyers. With this said, Bruins is way better than Boston.
- SuperSchennBros

But the Gay porn awards will have more viewers. 🤣🍻

5 years ago today Hexy was hired as the GM.
- MBFlyerfan

And Berube was finished! When HEX brought in his super coach 🤯🤬

But the Gay porn awards will have more viewers. 🤣🍻
- Landsbergfan

I see you're a connoisseur

Do you really think a .928 team SV% is sustainable?

(We're not talking about Dominik Hasek here. Lehner (or whoever)/Greiss)
- Tomahawk

That's not the point. The point is why they had a .928 SV %.

If the Isles were somehow shutting it down around the net or something, I might buy that Trotz had something to do w/ the goalies. But they bled chances in close.

The narrative that Trotz came in turned them into this defensive juggernaut is lazy national broadcast fluff. It was all goaltending.
- Tomahawk

The lazy narrative is using scoring chance and shot data. It's mediocre at best.

The lazy narrative is using scoring chance and shot data. It's mediocre at best.
- MJL

I mean, the Hurricanes are using it with great success, but you do you.

So what are these grand intangibles that Trotz brought that made all the difference?

And why did those intangibles fail so hard against Carolina?
- Tomahawk

Carolina played better. The same reason why Columbus beat TB. As a stat head, you should be aware of sample size.

I mean, the Hurricanes are using it with great success, but you do you.
- BINGO!

What exactly are the Hurricanes using?

I don't think it was Trotz that cause the fail either. He wasn't a factor.

His team was just never that good to begin with, and they got exposed by a far superior opponent. And while Lehner played well, Mrazek pretty much matched him.

There's a difference between a coach really being the difference, and a team just over-performing over the course of a season. Trotz is a decent coach. Not a miracle-worker.
- Tomahawk

You're now adding hyperbole into the mix.

Waiting on you Bingo!

Waiting on you Bingo!
- MJL

relentless

What exactly are the Hurricanes using?
- MJL

Shot attempts. They get it done on volume and with their additions this year, specifically targeted players who take a ton of shots.

If you're familiar with Eric Tulsky's old work with fivethirtyeight and broadstreethockey you'd immediately recognize the pattern with what he's been preaching for years and where the Hurricanes have been going.

Waddell specifically credited him with helping steer the ship early this season, showing that the team was much better than the results they were getting and that they just needed to stick with it.

Shot attempts. They get it done on volume and with their additions this year, specifically targeted players who take a ton of shots.

If you're familiar with Eric Tulsky's old work with fivethirtyeight and broadstreethockey you'd immediately recognize the pattern with what he's been preaching for years and where the Hurricanes have been going.

Waddell specifically credited him with helping steer the ship early this season, showing that the team was much better than the results they were getting and that they just needed to stick with it.
- BINGO!

You're confused here and are talking about a completely different issue.

Let's get down to it. Where do the Canes get their shot attempt data?
- MJL

One would assume in house, though they have been known to provide reports to coaching staff between periods, and the league itself keeps track of this stuff, so it seems likely they'd take some of it from those sources as well.

You're confused here and are talking about a completely different issue.
- MJL

....possibly?

....possibly?
- BINGO!

I'll put my reply to both points here. You're talking about a strategy and an approach to how the Canes want to play versus a poster using mediocre stats to analyze a team from afar. Two very different things.

Secondly, there is a huge difference between internal and proprietary analytics that teams use and what we have available to us publicly.

So what's with the you be you comment? You can take that approach but that won't work out very well for you.

That's not the point. The point is why they had a .928 SV %.
- MJL

Are you trying to say that Trotz has figured out a way to significantly influence SV%, that doesn't include limiting quality shots against and net front chances?

While you ponder that, consider that Brayden Holtby turned in a .907 under Trotz last season.

Are you trying to say that Trotz has figured out a way to significantly influence SV%, that doesn't include limiting quality shots against and net front chances?

While you ponder that, consider that Brayden Holtby turned in a .907 under Trotz last season.
- Tomahawk

This post shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the game of hockey as well as an over reliance on flawed stats.

Again, why did they have a .928 SV%. You won't find the answer in a stat spread sheet.

This post shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the game of hockey as well as an over reliance on flawed stats.
- MJL

Data is here to stay.

But hey, if you want to keep being that old inflexible codger who can't wrap your head around new ideas and new ways of looking at things, then have at it boss.

Again, why did they have a .928 SV%. You won't find the answer in a stat spread sheet.
- MJL

Yeah you won't. I'm dying to hear your theory on it tho. (Ok, not really)