My takeaway here is that each draft is so different. Some years there are only a small handful of impactful NHL players in the entire draft. In that cases, if you miss on a second rounder, well, so did pretty much every other team, if not their first.

In comparison, look back at the 2003 draft when Seabs was drafted. Impact players all over that draft, and that first round was ridiculously talented.
- hereismike1

Just what I was going to post...

the draft classes are remarkably different year to year, and it is usually decided by the scouting circles which are stronger when
there is a strong OHL class including many good defenders,
terrific Euro players that LOOK the part of difference makers at 18 yrs old,
and each of the three major juniors having strong top skilled candidates.

No one has spent more time analyzing drafts classes more than me. I have all classes on paper from the beginning and all there draft BS written on them.

Even the great defense class of "2008 of year of Stamkos". this defenseman were so well scouts g on upward upside potential (and there were still the prejudice of light offense man pushing Deric Karlsson to #15, but what was more noteworthy to me is not only Central Scouting and Atlanta had Zach Bogosian that high...
this goes to show how being a junior player (in the strong OHL) on defense doesn't necessarily accidentally translate to an NHL defender in the defensive zone. (Byram, cough)

Sure the idea is each team has a list and there are specific guys in that list of 100 and crap load of guys not on the list (just like DeBrincat was off many NHL lists completely truth!)

Each class can't be misjudged by comparison to the last one or you get in trouble.

(Fort years under Bob Pulford, I angered me so that they would make trades and give second rounders in all the years I thought the drafts had nice depth in the second, and they kept the ones in the iffy years.)

I think for years the teams thought of the draft as a way for the top four bottom feeder to at least get one new guy who plays somewhere, and the r4est of us will try and get lucky.
Detroit blew the draft into a big joke the year they took seven selections who made it to the NHL combined to play 5,955 games with 1,227 goals and 2,367 assists for 3,594 points. In 726 Stanley Cup Playoff games, they combined to score 441 points. Lidstrom, Fedorov, Konstantinov and Drake have nine Stanley Cup titles.

But that as because Russia and Lindstrom were not scouted or where they also got. mike Dillinger, Bob toughener and Dallas Drake.

You can say what you want about Stan but they have a successful approach on finding players and you can argue that the Nordstoms, and Krugers and the Shaws are this "bottom six" horseshoe line, so they are less success than say a good grab in the mid twenties whom can play (Schmaltz/ Hartman) but the idea is to continually have guys to become your new face and turnover repalcments.

It's when you draft in the teens and screw up you are hurting your chances if you don't get a guy there who over achieves to stardom.

https://thehockeynews.com...-sign-with-nhl-teams-soon

Article about 5 possible KHL players who could be NHL bound, one of which is Datsyuk but strongest ties is back to Detroit with Yzerman there now.

The Hawks are rumored to be interested in this guy Vladimir Tkachyov (LW). Listed as 5'9" (an inch taller at 5'10" on other sites) and between 140-150 pounds.

Yes, there are two Vladimir Tkachyov’s: the big centerman just signed a new KHL deal to keep him in Russia. This Vladimir Tkachyov is the one that the Edmonton Oilers signed after he went undrafted in 2014, but also the one who later had his contract annulled after the NHL informed the team that Tkachyov was ineligible to sign due to a clause involving CHL players in the NHL’s collective bargaining agreement. A strange situation all around, but since then, Tkachyov has developed into a solid depth scoring winger. Tkachyov had a good playoff run with Salavat Yulaev this year, recording 10 points in 17 games as Ufa, a mid-pack team in the regular season, made it to the conference final. A few teams, such as Edmonton and Chicago, have been rumored to have interest in the winger, who could slot in as a third-line winger.

https://www.eliteprospect.../211956/vladimir-tkachyov
https://www.rotoworld.com...er/26369/vladimir-tkachev
http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=163405

Good job buddy. Very informative regarding the past draft years. And what we can kind of expect moving forward. Excellent read.
- BGKarras

I liked Justin Lowe's writings so much better.

Also miss the big KarASS's comments on his Cousins and meat.

I liked Justin Lowe's writings so much better.

Also miss the big KarASS's comments on his Cousins and meat.
- VopatsRash

Hey Rash, have they planned the parade yet for the banner lifting there in Nashville?

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/from-russia-with-goals-five-khl-players-who-could-sign-with-nhl-teams-soon

Article about 5 possible KHL players who could be NHL bound, one of which is Datsyuk but strongest ties is back to Detroit with Yzerman there now.

The Hawks are rumored to be interested in this guy Vladimir Tkachyov (LW). Listed as 5'9" (an inch taller at 5'10" on other sites) and between 140-150 pounds.

Yes, there are two Vladimir Tkachyov’s: the big centerman just signed a new KHL deal to keep him in Russia. This Vladimir Tkachyov is the one that the Edmonton Oilers signed after he went undrafted in 2014, but also the one who later had his contract annulled after the NHL informed the team that Tkachyov was ineligible to sign due to a clause involving CHL players in the NHL’s collective bargaining agreement. A strange situation all around, but since then, Tkachyov has developed into a solid depth scoring winger. Tkachyov had a good playoff run with Salavat Yulaev this year, recording 10 points in 17 games as Ufa, a mid-pack team in the regular season, made it to the conference final. A few teams, such as Edmonton and Chicago, have been rumored to have interest in the winger, who could slot in as a third-line winger.

https://www.eliteprospect.../211956/vladimir-tkachyov
https://www.rotoworld.com...er/26369/vladimir-tkachev
http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=163405
- AEL_Fox

For all you "TheAthletic" subscribers - Powers has a good article on Colliton. One takeaway is that Colliton calls his system "Man and a half". The way he describes it is kind of a hybrid with some man-to-man elements, and it's not exclusively in the d-zone, it's a 200' system. He says it's a layered implementation with more layers to be added.

For all you "TheAthletic" subscribers - Powers has a good article on Colliton. One takeaway is that Colliton calls his system "Man and a half". The way he describes it is kind of a hybrid with some man-to-man elements, and it's not exclusively in the d-zone, it's a 200' system. He says it's a layered implementation with more layers to be added.
- EbonyRaptor

Just read it. Great read.

Just read it. Great read.
- Tyler Cameron

Yeah maybe those posters saying the players should have been able to pick up the system 10-15 games into the coaching change were a tad off....

Considering there is minimal practice time during the season I expect there to be some noticeable improvements in his system.

It looked to me that guys often did not know where to go in the d-zone. Especially, early on in the change.

For all you "TheAthletic" subscribers - Powers has a good article on Colliton. One takeaway is that Colliton calls his system "Man and a half". The way he describes it is kind of a hybrid with some man-to-man elements, and it's not exclusively in the d-zone, it's a 200' system. He says it's a layered implementation with more layers to be added.
- EbonyRaptor

Yup, I read it. JC will be fired during the 20-21 season.

Yeah maybe those posters saying the players should have been able to pick up the system 10-15 games into the coaching change were a tad off....

Considering there is minimal practice time during the season I expect there to be some noticeable improvements in his system.

It looked to me that guys often did not know where to go in the d-zone. Especially, early on in the change.
- bhawks2241

Do not have a subscription, but do the Hawks have the type of players to fit Colliton's system?

BTW, watching Eric Karllson last night reminded me of a $7 mil. Eric Gustafsson, looked like he was playing center half the time.

https://www.mystateline.c...a-new-contract/1956818974


Story about King and the Hogs. Best takeaway is that he knows his club has to play the same system as the Hawks.

No flyers pick lol

Do not have a subscription, but do the Hawks have the type of players to fit Colliton's system?

BTW, watching Eric Karllson last night reminded me of a $7 mil. Eric Gustafsson, looked like he was playing center half the time.
- LAHawk

I think Colliton is bright enough to factor in player abilities within "the system" he implements.

Agree on Karlsson. He's still a very good offensive d-man but defensively he was never better than average - at best, plus he lost that half-step that made him elite speed after the injury a few years ago. Hopefully Stan isn't entertaining thoughts of signing him.

Here's what we need to happen.

We need Kakko to have a monster series in the World Championships later this month - so much so that NJ decides to take him with the #1 pick. Then we need to have NYR determine they need a big center rather than the water bug known as Jack Hughes - so they take either Cozens or Dach with the #2 pick. That leaves Jack Hughes for the Hawks to take with the #3 pick.

Is that too much to ask?

Here's what we need to happen.

We need Kakko to have a monster series in the World Championships later this month - so much so that NJ decides to take him with the #1 pick. Then we need to have NYR determine they need a big center rather than the water bug known as Jack Hughes - so they take either Cozens or Dach with the #2 pick. That leaves Jack Hughes for the Hawks to take with the #3 pick.

Is that too much to ask?
- EbonyRaptor

Much like the discussion over most of this thread - its a crap shoot anyway. I personally just look forward to the pick so we can have a month of slamming stan...

Yup, I read it. JC will be fired during the 20-21 season.
- scottak

Was it something from the article that makes you say this, or just your general opinion?

Much like the discussion over most of this thread - its a crap shoot anyway. I personally just look forward to the pick so we can have a month of slamming stan...
- riozzo

Exactly. I have no expertise or influence on the draft process... but I reserve the right to critique it mercilessly after the fact...

All this draft talk reminds me of a quote the Blueline used to run attributed to Daryl Sutter: “First-round draft picks have a way of turning into bartenders.” Or something to that effect.

Was it something from the article that makes you say this, or just your general opinion?
- Chunk

The "man and a half" system wasn't described in detail but in general it is puck pressure in all 3 zones with the players not on the puck working as a 5-man unit to help with puck pressure by being in passing lanes and limiting options the opponent has. From that I think it's easy to assume the personnel required to play that system effectively must have skating/speed to go along with the understanding of the system and the work ethic to play it consistently well. That's not to say it can't be an effective system even if the personnel isn't ideal but without the ideal personnel you won't get the ideal outcome ... but that's probably true for every system to some extent.

Reading the article has me juiced because it clued me into what Colliton is trying to do and it sounds like it could end up being pretty exciting with speed and attack.

The "man and a half" system wasn't described in detail but in general it is puck pressure in all 3 zones with the players not on the puck working as a 5-man unit to help with puck pressure by being in passing lanes and limiting options the opponent has. From that I think it's easy to assume the personnel required to play that system effectively must have skating/speed to go along with the understanding of the system and the work ethic to play it consistently well. That's not to say it can't be an effective system even if the personnel isn't ideal but without the ideal personnel you won't get the ideal outcome ... but that's probably true for every system to some extent.

Reading the article has me juiced because it clued me into what Colliton is trying to do and it sounds like it could end up being pretty exciting with speed and attack.
- EbonyRaptor

Pretty much like a lot of playoff teams, constant pressure by all five guys on the ice. I only saw glimpses of that this season.

This was the quote of the article for me: “If you just kind of mail it in for two-thirds of the ice, well, then it’s not very fun because you’re going to end up in your own end defending hard and you’re going to give up chances. Whereas if as a team, five guys working together all the way up the ice, we’re going to have the puck more, we’re going to be in the offensive zone more, we’re going to give up less chances, we’re going to create more offensively.”

The "man and a half" system wasn't described in detail but in general it is puck pressure in all 3 zones with the players not on the puck working as a 5-man unit to help with puck pressure by being in passing lanes and limiting options the opponent has. From that I think it's easy to assume the personnel required to play that system effectively must have skating/speed to go along with the understanding of the system and the work ethic to play it consistently well. That's not to say it can't be an effective system even if the personnel isn't ideal but without the ideal personnel you won't get the ideal outcome ... but that's probably true for every system to some extent.

Reading the article has me juiced because it clued me into what Colliton is trying to do and it sounds like it could end up being pretty exciting with speed and attack.
- EbonyRaptor

This actually sounds like the way Vegas plays.

This actually sounds like the way Vegas plays.
- LAHawk

Also in the article was this comment from Powers.

There are teams who play similar systems, like the New York Islanders, Vegas Golden Knights and Washington Capitals.

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— PuckPedia (@PuckPedia) May 3, 2019

Also in the article was this comment from Powers.

There are teams who play similar systems, like the New York Islanders, Vegas Golden Knights and Washington Capitals.
- walleyeb1

Wait, wait, like the Islanders and Caps, both Trotz's teams?

Yup, I read it. JC will be fired during the 20-21 season.
- scottak

I hope that doesn’t happen - for everyone’s sake.

I liked Justin Lowe's writings so much better.

Also miss the big KarASS's comments on his Cousins and meat.
- VopatsRash

Ahh I get it...