Damn,bitter today ?
- 1stCavVet

He is always just a baby on here. If you have a different opinion and don't pat him on the back after every comment he gets a bit cranky.

Damn,bitter today ?
- 1stCavVet

Nah, not at all actually haha

I agree with all of that as well. I like the Pens forwards for the most part but just wan't a retooling of the 4th line. They have great cheap in house options IMO in Teddy and A. Johnson. So I dont see them needing to spend much there.

The D needs to be retooled. Its gonna be tricky. The first step here though, is GMJR seeing it, that it needs to be changed, and then the 2nd step is GMJR accepting it, taking responsibility for it and doing something about it....almost sounds like a rehab program...but after his comments about it being the best defense they've had since he came there, I cant help but think he's in heavy denial.
- MattStrat

Agreed. Time for Mario to step in and have a chat with the old man, assuming he sees what we all see..

No one ever wins a trade when they trade the best player involved. Done hearing all these whispers. Maybe they can get the kings to take JJ a couple picks and retain salary to bring in his buddy kovalchuk his buddy lol trying to get faster not slower. The only problem this team has is getting strapped with hunwick and JJ type contracts, figure it out! gmjr

He is always just a baby on here. If you have a different opinion and don't pat him on the back after every comment he gets a bit cranky.
- MacPatty

Hahah

i used to think Sullivan and JR had a shared vision of what the team should look like. i get it, its a business and you cant be in love with all of the players. but trading faster guys away like hunwick, sheary, hags to pick up gubrandson and signing johnson lead me to believe they have different visions. Trading a 1st round pick for reaves only to not play him and then make him a throw in to get the salaries right also is a head scratcher. Paying Schultz $5+M/yr and then pair him with JJ? why?

I hear Ronnie Francis is available if there happens to be a GM vacancy.

No one ever wins a trade when they trade the best player involved. Done hearing all these whispers. Maybe they can get the kings to take JJ a couple picks and retain salary to bring in his buddy kovalchuk his buddy lol trying to get faster not slower. The only problem this team has is getting strapped with hunwick and JJ type contracts, figure it out! gmjr
- Jordy8

boomshakalaka.

Nah, not at all actually haha
- j.boyd919

I gotcha Boyd, I just think there is some logic to what Mac was saying. If some GM out there came knocking, you absolutely listen to the offer. Never say never. But I do think Malkin cares, its just his nonchalant attitude that drives everyone crazy

No one ever wins a trade when they trade the best player involved. Done hearing all these whispers. Maybe they can get the kings to take JJ a couple picks and retain salary to bring in his buddy kovalchuk his buddy lol trying to get faster not slower. The only problem this team has is getting strapped with hunwick and JJ type contracts, figure it out! gmjr
- Jordy8

Hershel Walker? Eric Lindros?

Hershel Walker? Eric Lindros?
- sammy87

Eric Lindros wasn't the best player in the Eric Lindros trade (I assume you mean the Quebec one). Or, at the very least, he was equal to Forsberg.

I gotcha Boyd, I just think there is some logic to what Mac was saying. If some GM out there came knocking, you absolutely listen to the offer. Never say never. But I do think Malkin cares, its just his nonchalant attitude that drives everyone crazy
- 1stCavVet

Typically yes, but there’s more to specifically Malkin. The franchise owes Sid and Geno. They’ve been the faces of the franchise for over 10 years, have brought us three Cups, and took discounts to stay here long term. You only trade these guys if they ask to be traded. Guys like Letang and Phil? Sure. If some bozo wants to offer a younger and/or better star for one of them then you listen, but you still don’t move guys like that as a shake up move.

Eric Lindros wasn't the best player in the Eric Lindros trade (I assume you mean the Quebec one). Or, at the very least, he was equal to Forsberg.
- jmatchett383

Forsberg was more of an unknown. He wasn't expected to be as good as he was nor was. Lindros was the next great thing to hockey. Injuries derailed him.

Forsberg was more of an unknown. He wasn't expected to be as good as he was nor was. Lindros was the next great thing to hockey. Injuries derailed him.
- sammy87

Neither player had played a single game of NHL hockey. So how can you say which one was a better player when the trade was made? You're talking unknown (highly-touted) prospects as opposed to established, elite players.

Also, the reason they included Forsberg was 1) they didn't want to include Brindy and 2) no one knew if/when Forsberg would come to North America. They very well knew how good he was (well, they knew he was really good, maybe not HHOF quality), they just didn't want to wait for him.

Neither player had played a single game of NHL hockey. So how can you say which one was a better player when the trade was made? You're talking unknown (highly-touted) prospects as opposed to established, elite players.

Also, the reason they included Forsberg was 1) they didn't want to include Brindy and 2) no one knew if/when Forsberg would come to North America. They very well knew how good he was.
- jmatchett383

Lindros was the next coming of God at that point. He was averaging better than a goal per game and 2.5 points per.

Neither player had played a single game of NHL hockey. So how can you say which one was a better player when the trade was made? You're talking unknown (highly-touted) prospects as opposed to established, elite players.

Also, the reason they included Forsberg was 1) they didn't want to include Brindy and 2) no one knew if/when Forsberg would come to North America. They very well knew how good he was.
- jmatchett383

No but you knew Lindros was going to be a very good player. He was the 1st overall on any team in that position.

If not for concussions he would have had a much better career, but he still was a great player.

Forsberg was more of an unknown. He wasn't expected to be as good as he was nor was. Lindros was the next great thing to hockey. Injuries derailed him.
- sammy87

He was literally drafted 6th overall...

Lindros was the next coming of God at that point. He was averaging better than a goal per game and 2.5 points per.
- MacPatty

That's not nearly as good as Toni Tanti, John Goodwin, or Ernie Godden. All 3 became true NHL superstars.

No but you knew Lindros was going to be a very good player. He was the 1st overall on any team in that position.

If not for concussions he would have had a much better career, but he still was a great player.
- sammy87

So was Alexander Daigle. Do you know what kind of offers Ottawa turned down for that pick?

So was Alexander Daigle. Do you know what kind of offers Ottawa turned down for that pick?
- jmatchett383

I was suppose to retire at age 13 from his rookie card.

I was suppose to retire at age 13 from his rookie card.
- sammy87

You mean the 93/94 Score redemption card? Yeah, I had a few of them. You could probably still get maybe 50 cents each since it was a redemption, although they may have started putting it into packs for series 2, which would make it about 3 cents.

Quebec offered to trade Peter Forsberg, Owen Nolan, Ron Hextall, and multiple draft picks to Ottawa for the #1 pick that year. Ottawa refused.

Forsberg was more of an unknown. He wasn't expected to be as good as he was nor was. Lindros was the next great thing to hockey. Injuries derailed him.
- sammy87

Injuries derailed Forsberg too.

If you want a clear-cut example of a trade where the team trading the best player won, the Yashin trade and the the Oates trade as perfect examples.

You mean the 93/94 Score redemption card? Yeah, I had a few of them. You could probably still get maybe 50 cents each since it was a redemption, although they may have started putting it into packs for series 2, which would make it about 3 cents.

Quebec offered to trade Peter Forsberg, Owen Nolan, Ron Hextall, and multiple draft picks to Ottawa for the #1 pick that year. Ottawa refused.
- jmatchett383

Yeah I remember that. Ottawa has made some dumb moves over the years.

I remember Pat Faloon was the next great thing as well.

Regardless, Pens will shake things up for better or worse. JR or Sully most likely will stay.

I agree that RW bashes JJ every other blog. But at least he has facts backing him out. Just look at them and you'll see.

On the other hand theres now a group of people that runs to every RW blog to see if the words Jack or Johnson are there and if they are, oh boy here comes the textwall telling everyone how RW is blind by hate, letting his personal feelings get in the way of the truth and the only way we can be contenders again is by trading Malkin. Jesus just stop.
- Conse

Yes, yes and more yes!

My new favorite line from a Pittsburgh article is now:

"Jim Rutherford took it upon himself to headbutt the Twitter beehive"

This perfectly explains why the Penguins are currently lodging in the cap-hell-hotel.

Mario has to tell JR that JR needs to move JJ at all costs, then he has to make sure JR and MS get on the same page and if there are any bumps in that plan then Mario needs to cut bait on one or both of them.