No. We would be paying his $9mil plus $2mil of Seabs (total $11mil) If we trade for a top 4 defender it should be one that actually plays defense, makes good decisions, and is highly disciplined. Subban is not the guy.
People wrote off Toews for the last 2 years. I am not saying Seabs will return to 2015 form, but he is only 34. There is no reason that he cannot rebound somewhat, playing less minutes, playing the PK. Like Toews we do not know if it is desire, concussion issues, chronic injuries, diet, training, etc... that caused the drop off in his play. It could be his multiple, often horrible D partners the last couple of years and no longer having Keith). But we said that about Toews without Hossa too. - -Doh-
I agree with you about the D partners. He was paired with Keith a little towards the end of the year, and looked much better.
No. We would be paying his $9mil plus $2mil of Seabs (total $11mil) If we trade for a top 4 defender it should be one that actually plays defense, makes good decisions, and is highly disciplined. Subban is not the guy.
People wrote off Toews for the last 2 years. I am not saying Seabs will return to 2015 form, but he is only 34. There is no reason that he cannot rebound somewhat, playing less minutes, playing the PK. Like Toews we do not know if it is desire, concussion issues, chronic injuries, diet, training, etc... that caused the drop off in his play. It could be his multiple, often horrible D partners the last couple of years and no longer having Keith). But we said that about Toews without Hossa too. - -Doh-
General recipe for Seabrook to be effective next year and beyond:
- top notch conditioning, i.e. endurance despite lack of foot speed
- maintained strength to out muscle the opponent
- solid positioning
- mental sharpness to make accurate reads
- sheltered minutes
- complementary D partner
Seabrook is a Hawk hero who should be treated with respect.
Also, the league verifies injuries with independent doctors. The idea that they can just stash him on LTIR without a legit injury in order to avoid his cap hit is silly talk, even for this august community. - mohel
Listen Pallie, stop interjecting fact into the narrative du jour. We have ways of dealing with the likes of you.
Seabrook is a Hawk hero who should be treated with respect.
Also, the league verifies injuries with independent doctors. The idea that they can just stash him on LTIR without a legit injury in order to avoid his cap hit is silly talk, even for this august community. - mohel
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he also will go down more then likely one the top 5 highest earning D men in history. his career earnings if it is all paid will be 97mil. Keith will be 77mil do not feel bad for him. shea Weber is going to be around 130mil Who else might make more? Chara career earnings will be slightly less. PK will be 32/33 when he is done and he will be at 80mil. he might eclipse seabrook. doughty will make more. [/img]
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he also will go down more then likely one the top 5 highest earning D men in history. his career earnings if it is all paid will be 97mil. Keith will be 77mil do not feel bad for him. shea Weber is going to be around 130mil Who else might make more? Chara career earnings will be slightly less. PK will be 32/33 when he is done and he will be at 80mil. he might eclipse seabrook. doughty will make more. - kmw4631[/img]
Not trying to sound like a Richard, but what’s your point?
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May 2 @ 3:55 PM ET
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he also will go down more then likely one the top 5 highest earning D men in history. his career earnings if it is all paid will be 97mil. Keith will be 77mil do not feel bad for him. shea Weber is going to be around 130mil Who else might make more? Chara career earnings will be slightly less. PK will be 32/33 when he is done and he will be at 80mil. he might eclipse seabrook. doughty will make more. - kmw4631[/img]
He musta been at the right place, right time.
That's a hella lot of coin and if anyone deserved it, it was Duncan Keith.
Guy should be embarrassed he let himself go, at his age, he should still be a top 4.
Guess those Long Distance video workouts aren't very effective except for filming Blackhawk commercials.
he also will go down more then likely one the top 5 highest earning D men in history. his career earnings if it is all paid will be 97mil. Keith will be 77mil do not feel bad for him. shea Weber is going to be around 130mil Who else might make more? Chara career earnings will be slightly less. PK will be 32/33 when he is done and he will be at 80mil. he might eclipse seabrook. doughty will make more. - kmw4631[/img]
So what?
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He musta been at the right place, right time.
That's a hella lot of coin and if anyone deserved it, it was Duncan Keith.
Guy should be embarrassed he let himself go, at his age, he should still be a top 4.
Guess those Long Distance video workouts aren't very effective except for filming Blackhawk commercials.
He musta been at the right place, right time.
That's a hella lot of coin and if anyone deserved it, it was Duncan Keith.
Guy should be embarrassed he let himself go, at his age, he should still be a top 4.
Guess those Long Distance video workouts aren't very effective except for filming Blackhawk commercials.
- savvyone-1
Once again you show how moronic you are. You have no idea about any of these players diet workout habits or injuries.
He musta been at the right place, right time.
That's a hella lot of coin and if anyone deserved it, it was Duncan Keith.
Guy should be embarrassed he let himself go, at his age, he should still be a top 4.
Guess those Long Distance video workouts aren't very effective except for filming Blackhawk commercials.
- savvyone-1
The same Duncan Keith you ragged on for not being a purdy skater, couldn't shoot, and should have been moved instead of Led Pipe?
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The same Duncan Keith you ragged on for not being a purdy skater, couldn't shoot, and should have been moved instead of Led Pipe? - paulr
I love getting a rise out of all of you.
purdy skater - he's not
couldn't shoot - still can't
never said the last part but keep making up the stories, they are comical.
I love getting a rise out of all of you.
purdy skater - he's not
couldn't shoot - still can't
never said the last part but keep making up the stories, they are comical. - savvyone-1
You didn't say it directly but you sure questioned why they'd keep older defensemen instead of your beloved. About half of your posts you'd rag on Keith for the most bizarre reasons.
I love getting a rise out of all of you.
purdy skater - he's not
couldn't shoot - still can't
never said the last part but keep making up the stories, they are comical. - savvyone-1
Yeah.. I love Seabs but he looked bad all season. Slow footed, poor passing, poor puck management, slow thought process when he has the puck, etc.
Not sure why some think he would be good on the PK. He can't move his feet, seems to have issues staying on his feet, and really doesn't have that big of a reach.
There is no reason his play should have dropped off this quickly unless he has some nagging injury or he isn't putting in the effort during the off-season.
You didn't say it directly but you sure questioned why they'd keep older defensemen instead of your beloved. About half of your posts you'd rag on Keith for the most bizarre reasons. - paulr
Keith has a weird skating stride but the dude is an insane athlete. I remember reading his lung capacity and oxygen intake is off the charts.
I'd even say there isn't a more fit player in the NHL.
Connor McDavid is the best thing that has happened to this franchise in over thirty years. As the 2014/2015 season came to a close, the Oilers finished third last in the NHL and there seemed to be no end in sight.
The Edmonton won the literal golden ticket and the chance to draft the best player since Sidney Crosby. Since that time, McDavid has done the impossible and surpassed the hype, he is the irrefutable best player in the National Hockey League. Teams rarely win trades if they give up the best player, let alone the best player in the game. This is something Edmonton fans should know already.
I don't know if it is the recent string of poor weather we have had up North or maybe the fact that I fell down twelve flights of stairs and injured my head... either way I'm in the right mood to trade McDavid.
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Shockingly there are very fews teams that have the assets that Edmonton would need in order to give up a Connor McDavid in return. In short Edmonton would be looking for the following:
- A 1st line centre/winger capable of producing 70+ points
- A top pairing defenceman
- Another roster player
- Prospects/Draft picks to secure a strong future
I pulled a few teams at random to illustrate what roster players they would need to include in a trade. This isn't including the additional draft picks that these teams would have to give up as well.
Chicago Blackhawks
- Alex Debrincat
- Dylan Strome
- 2019 1st Round Pick (Bowen Byram)
But, is that a fair trade?
... is it enough?
Cap space will probably be close to even
General recipe for Seabrook to be effective next year and beyond:
- top notch conditioning, i.e. endurance despite lack of foot speed
- maintained strength to out muscle the opponent
- solid positioning
- mental sharpness to make accurate reads
- sheltered minutes
- complementary D partner
Easier said than done but still quite doable. - AEL_Fox
Odds are against any significant improvement for Seabs. But the same was said for Toews the last two years on this very blog. So you never know.
Keith has a weird skating stride but the dude is an insane athlete. I remember reading his lung capacity and oxygen intake is off the charts.
I'd even say there isn't a more fit player in the NHL. - bhawks2241
He wasn't a smooth skater that's for sure but when some posters would go on and on about it post after post I certainly never saw the point in such a trivial criticism? Keith was one of the best defenseman the Hawks have ever had and a case could be made that he was the best ever to wear the indianhead
he also will go down more then likely one the top 5 highest earning D men in history. his career earnings if it is all paid will be 97mil. Keith will be 77mil do not feel bad for him. shea Weber is going to be around 130mil Who else might make more? Chara career earnings will be slightly less. PK will be 32/33 when he is done and he will be at 80mil. he might eclipse seabrook. doughty will make more. - kmw4631[/img]
With more than 12 dmen making more than Seabs now his career earnings will be quickly surpassed.
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He wasn't a smooth skater that's for sure but when some posters would go on and on about it post after post I certainly never saw the point in such a trivial criticism? Keith was one of the best defenseman the Hawks have ever had and a case could be made that he was the best ever to wear the indianhead - paulr
I don't know about the best Paul, certainly among the top 3-5 Hawks defensemen.
As for the CUPS, yes, no one can take those/that accomplishment away while others don't have them. But you know as well as I do, when it comes to winning a CUP, it IS the hardest prize in all of sports.
Game of attrition.
Game of focus.
Game of mental acuity.
Keith didn't win them on his own, nor did Kane, Toews, Hossa and the rest. It was all of them and it was one of them at various points lifting the others and carrying them until they could lift as well.
Talking raw skill and abilities, I think Keith wouldn't be at the top of Hawk d men but certainly in terms of ultimate accomplishments, belongs in the top echelon. In spite of my hating his skating stride and inability to shoot.
