The rule needs to fixed. Reality is that he was a Rangers fan and will get more playing time in NY then CGY or the Canes. Rangers actually rebuilding right and should be on par to make PO in 2 years
- nyrangers2

Oh I get it, and sounds like you agree on the rule. Part of being a pro, being an NHL'er is the draft, and he's going to have to deal with trades in his career and isn't always going to be able to pick where he wants to play. IMO, pay your dues with the team that drafted you, stick to your word (said he wanted to play in the NHL quickly, Canes were willing to make that happen) and use free agency a la Tavares to pick where you want to play.

Flames likely would have made the space for this kid, but he's also 21 and hasn't played a minute of pro hockey yet... There will be some dues to be paid regardless, so hopefully he recognizes that too.

They'd definitely have to do something to help Toronto's cap space. They'd be gaining salary in that deal.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

Flames might have to eat some cap, and if the guy they are getting back is Anderson, they could absorb 50% of Brodie and Frolik's deals without too much pain this year.

The rule needs to fixed. Reality is that he was a Rangers fan and will get more playing time in NY then CGY or the Canes. Rangers actually rebuilding right and should be on par to make PO in 2 years
- nyrangers2

To me optics are horrible. By shunning the Flames & Canes he is sending a message that he doesnt think he can compete to win a spot on our blueline & inferior to Anderssen, Valamaki & Kyllington. Ditto for Carolina. It also shows a premadonna mentality of not wanting to accept any time in the minors. So what happens if he isnt ready next fall & cant crack the Rangers lineup out of camp. Is he going to holdout & pout if he gets sent down to the AHL. I like players with swagger but an attitude like that before he's even attended his first NHL training camp leaves a bad taste. Glad he isnt a Flame.

They'd definitely have to do something to help Toronto's cap space. They'd be gaining salary in that deal.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

Only $1 mil. But they’d be getting 2 players that not only fill 2 roster spots but in roles they need. A puck moving D (to replace Gardiner) and another defensive minded forward. Plus CLB will have close to $40 mil in cap space after losing all their free agents. I’m sure they’ll sign some of those players but likely still have room to retain some salary. Brodie and Frolik could get to TOR via CLB with them refining some salary and as I said, possibly take on Marleau.
I realize it’s a long shot but it’s my dream at the moment. I think Anderson is perfect for our needs.

Only $1 mil. But they’d be getting 2 players that not only fill 2 roster spots but in roles they need. A puck moving D (to replace Gardiner) and another defensive minded forward. Plus CLB will have close to $40 mil in cap space after losing all their free agents. I’m sure they’ll sign some of those players but likely still have room to retain some salary. Brodie and Frolik could get to TOR via CLB with them refining some salary and as I said, possibly take on Marleau.
I realize it’s a long shot but it’s my dream at the moment. I think Anderson is perfect for our needs.
- TandA4Flames

Agreed, he would be a great fit on, possibly, the 1st unit even - a guy that can create space for Johnny and Mony and still keep up and score. Basically, what Neal was SUPPOSED to be.

To me optics are horrible. By shunning the Flames & Canes he is sending a message that he doesnt think he can compete to win a spot on our blueline & inferior to Anderssen, Valamaki & Kyllington. Ditto for Carolina. It also shows a premadonna mentality of not wanting to accept any time in the minors. So what happens if he isnt ready next fall & cant crack the Rangers lineup out of camp. Is he going to holdout & pout if he gets sent down to the AHL. I like players with swagger but an attitude like that before he's even attended his first NHL training camp leaves a bad taste. Glad he isnt a Flame.
- Kevin R

This could all be true. Rangers are desperate for RHD. We have a lot of young defenseman in the farm but are at least 2 years out. Hopefully he slides into the top 4 or he could be sent down.

3 way trade:

Brodie/Frolik to TO to address their need for defensive play(ers)

Nylander to CLB to replace the skill lost from Panarin’s likely departure.

Josh Anderson (and a pick) to CGY to address their need for size with scoring ability.
Maybe CLB takes back Marleau as well with TO retaining some $$. To help TO with their cap concerns.
- TandA4Flames

That's a horrible nonsensical trade for the Leafs. Like it's worse than anything Chiarelli ever did. Why are they making a trade that makes them worse, older, costs them more money, and brings in two players in the last year of their contracts?

Nylander is still seen as a stud around the league. If they end up trading him, they'll be getting a young stud back. They're not trading him for a borderline top pairing defenceman and a glorified fourth liner on expiring contracts.

If they were getting Valimaki and Dube back in that deal, maybe they'd be interested. Maybe.

And why is Columbus trading Anderson?

That's a horrible nonsensical trade for the Leafs. Like it's worse than anything Chiarelli ever did. Why are they making a trade that makes them worse, older, costs them more money, and brings in two players in the last year of their contracts?

Nylander is still seen as a stud around the league. If they end up trading him, they'll be getting a young stud back. They're not trading him for a borderline top pairing defenceman and a glorified fourth liner on expiring contracts.

If they were getting Valimaki and Dube back in that deal, maybe they'd be interested. Maybe.

And why is Columbus trading Anderson?
- Hunkulese

Maybe it is. But I wouldn’t expect a known Flames hater like you to see the possibility. The leafs org feels they’re right there. They have obvious needs on players who can play defence as well as a replacement for Gardiner who will command more than they can afford. They also badly need to dump salary to add players they need and retain the RFA’s they really want. Frolik just had one of his best statistical years despite being cut back on overall playing time. With another year maybe the salary cap goes up enough so they can resign Brodie or maybe both, who knows.
I doubt CLB wants to trade Anderson but maybe they feel the skills Nylander brings is more important.
End of the day, like I said, it’s my dream. I would expect nothing less from you to trash it. You hate most Flames players and badly under value pretty much all of them. I know it’s extremely unlikely. But unlike you, I try to be imaginative and dare to dream.
Have a nice day Bunkulese.

PS. Let me ask you, would you have thought a trade of Frolik could have gotten a return of Zucker before you heard about the almost trade with MIN?

But I wouldn’t expect a known Flames hater like you to see the possibility.
- TandA4Flames

You must be new here. Don't believe the lies.

If you're just making up nonsense with no regards for reality, why not trade Brodie and Frolik for McDavid. Just as likely to happen and would help out the Flames a lot more than Anderson.

Minnesota wasn't making the trade to bring Frolik in. They were getting a first out of the deal and saving a bunch of money by moving out a player they didn't really need with the direction they're moving in.

You must be new here. Don't believe the lies.

If you're just making up nonsense with no regards for reality, why not trade Brodie and Frolik for McDavid. Just as likely to happen and would help out the Flames a lot more than Anderson.

Minnesota wasn't making the trade to bring Frolik in. They were getting a first out of the deal and saving a bunch of money by moving out a player they didn't really need with the direction they're moving in.
- Hunkulese

Not sure where you got 1st round pick from, I haven't seen that anywhere... I do agree that Frolik's value is low, but there are a multitude of reasons Toronto would consider a Brodie/Nylander type deal (though I don't think Frolik is in there unless TO comes out at 50% cap on both)

1) Nylander at $7M is a good value... if he produces at his 2017/2018 levels anyways. But...
2) They desperately need cap space right now. Marner is going to command $9+M, they need defence, they have two other fairly critical RFA's to sign and likely need to round out their depth
3) Kapanen. You either need to sign him or trade his rights. Having Frolik to play down roster at a reduced cap hit helps to soften the blow if you do trade this guy
4) They need a defenceman. Like it or lump it, once Gardiner leaves town (or they come to their senses and keep the guy), they have exactly 3 NHL defencemen... and Zaitsev.

So yeah, I don't think Frolik carries a lot of value at his present cap hit, but you reduce that along the way, throw in a VERY capable defenceman on a reasonable cap hit and rid yourself of an overpriced asset that, frankly probably pissed off management and teammates and you have yourself a recipe for a potential deal...

As for the Columbus bit, fully agree on the lack of need for them to move Andersen. BUT, here's the rub - they need to find a way to keep Werenski, Panarin, Duchene, Bobrovsky and figure out what to do with Korpisalo this offseason, and next year have to find a way to keep Dubois and Andersen both happy. Something's gotta give. Personally, I'd let the older guys walk and pay Andersen to stick around.

Alternatively, the Flames make no deal, instead try to move up in the draft and get their big mobile guy in the 1st round. There are a few of them out there, and one guy I keep pointing out who has fallen way down draft boards:

Dach
Cozens
Broberg
Lavoie
Leason (this kid will be a BEAST to handle)
and the dark horse Nolan Foote who needs work on his skating

Everyone's ignoring that the Leafs have at least 2 and probably 3 defenceman in the AHL that are NHL ready. The trio of Rosen, Sandin, and Liljergren are at least as good as the trio of rookies the Flames used last year with major success.

If the Leafs trade Nylander, it's going to be for someone younger and cheaper that will let them continue their success for multiple seasons. Trading someone like Nylander for expiring contracts is awful asset management. If you're spending so much on your stars, you need talented young guys filling out your roster.

Engvall is also a guy they'd be fine with playing in their bottom six.

Not sure where you got 1st round pick from, I haven't seen that anywhere... I do agree that Frolik's value is low, but there are a multitude of reasons Toronto would consider a Brodie/Nylander type deal (though I don't think Frolik is in there unless TO comes out at 50% cap on both)

- rmull905

The rumour was Frolik and a pick. A late first is pretty fair for Zucker, and the Flames don't have a 2nd round pick this year. If the Wild were shopping Zucker, I'm pretty sure they could have found a better deal than Frolik and a 3rd.

You must be new here. Don't believe the lies.

If you're just making up nonsense with no regards for reality, why not trade Brodie and Frolik for McDavid. Just as likely to happen and would help out the Flames a lot more than Anderson.

Minnesota wasn't making the trade to bring Frolik in. They were getting a first out of the deal and saving a bunch of money by moving out a player they didn't really need with the direction they're moving in.
- Hunkulese

Been here a long time, actually. I've read enough of your comments over the years to make a very strong and educated assessment of your thoughts and beliefs of the Flames.
Yes I realize a 1st was going the other way as well. Likely anyway. But you didn't answer my question.
If you want to make up dream trade scenarios re: McDavid, go ahead. But don't be a douchebag. My dream is somewhat realistic, from a point of view. As I stated, you under value our players and never see the actual reality. As rmull spelled out, there are many reasons for TOR to consider a trade along these lines. If they can dump Marleau's contract and get salary retention on Brodie and/or Frolik then that helps them.
I'll say it again, maybe this time you will read it, I think its highly unlikely this would happen. But I like the thought of getting Andersen.

Been here a long time, actually. I've read enough of your comments over the years to make a very strong and educated assessment of your thoughts and beliefs of the Flames.
Yes I realize a 1st was going the other way as well. Likely anyway. But you didn't answer my question.
If you want to make up dream trade scenarios re: McDavid, go ahead. But don't be a douchebag. My dream is somewhat realistic, from a point of view. As I stated, you under value our players and never see the actual reality. As rmull spelled out, there are many reasons for TOR to consider a trade along these lines. If they can dump Marleau's contract and get salary retention on Brodie and/or Frolik then that helps them.
I'll say it again, maybe this time you will read it, I think its highly unlikely this would happen. But I like the thought of getting Andersen.
- TandA4Flames

Not a chance in hell we aquire Andersen or his glorious contract.

In reference to a previous thread, not a chance in hell we get Kessel either. Those two GM's burned that bridge at the 2016 NHL Entry Draft.

But I like the thought of getting Andersen.
- TandA4Flames

So you'd rather have Anderson than McDavid? If the Flames are offering Brodie and Frolik they have the exact same chances to land either.

So you'd rather have Anderson than McDavid? If the Flames are offering Brodie and Frolik they have the exact same chances to land either.
- Hunkulese

Maybe Edm will throw in McDavid to take Lucic's salary ! Think what they could do with all that cap space !

So you'd rather have Anderson than McDavid? If the Flames are offering Brodie and Frolik they have the exact same chances to land either.
- Hunkulese

Your opinion. So feel free to (frank) off now.

Your opinion. So feel free to (frank) off now.
- TandA4Flames

Nothing I said was an opinion.

Your opinion is that Anderson is better than McDavid? Gotcha.

Nothing I said was an opinion.

Your opinion is that Anderson is better than McDavid? Gotcha.
- Hunkulese

god, don't be a moron Hunk.

Nothing I said was an opinion.

Your opinion is that Anderson is better than McDavid? Gotcha.
- Hunkulese

Pretty strong assumption you made about my opinions. Show me where I said that.

god, don't be a moron Hunk.
- rmull905

His arrogance won’t allow it.

Pretty strong assumption you made about my opinions. Show me where I said that.
- TandA4Flames

Show me where I've ever said something about hating the Flames.

Show me where I've ever said something about hating the Flames.
- Hunkulese

Your entire dialogue is about your disliking the Flames. You’re always saying our players suck and wouldn’t get any decent return, and yet we finished 1st in the west. But to you that means nothing because it’s the Flames. You don’t have to say the words ‘you hate them’ the rest of what you say makes it clear. The way you’re supporting the Leafs in my wishful trade scenario I’d suggest that you’re a Leafs fan.
And for the record, you brought up McDavid, not me.

Is Brodie still worth a 1st? Or have fans realized he is a product of Gio yet?

Is Brodie still worth a 1st? Or have fans realized he is a product of Gio yet?
- wreckage

You're just used to what a 1st is to the oilers which is a top 10 pick (or higher) every year so no, not that kind of a 1st. Possibly a late 1st but more likely a 2nd.