a 2nd (37th overall) and a conditional 2nd/3rd
- BINGO!

Happy the Canes got a return, I hope his career trajectory follows that of Tim Erixon. Dude could have been on 2 playoff ready teams, both with great mentors to learn from.

Hate that college players have this kind of sway. He's maybe the first prospect in (aat the very least recent) history to have been dealt twice before signing a contract.

Brodie

for

TOR
Kapanen
2019 4th round pick
Conditional 2020 2nd round pick if he resigns in TOR

Brodie

for

TOR
Kapanen
2019 4th round pick
Conditional 2020 2nd round pick if he resigns in TOR
- buddy_doug

Doesn't TO need cap space ? I bet they'd be interested in Kylington.

Brodie

for

TOR
Kapanen
2019 4th round pick
Conditional 2020 2nd round pick if he resigns in TOR
- buddy_doug

Brodie + Kylington (might need more)

For

PK Subban

Now I know what comes next is how are you going to afford to resign Chucky if you have a 9 million $ Subban on the team, but obliviously BT had a plan at the deadline to trade and sign stone so there is a way to fit him in our salary.

He would bring some much needed grit and skill to the D.

Gio - Andersson
Hanifin - PK
Valamaki - Hamonic

A very nice combination of Skill and Grit on each line, plus it prepares us for the day when Gio either falls back to earth or retires.

I'm not saying it has to be PK but the wealth of D we currently have we should try to package it up to secure our future. I used PK as the example as there is rumors he is available and actually like the fit with the exception of his salary.

Brodie + Kylington (might need more)

For

PK Subban

Now I know what comes next is how are you going to afford to resign Chucky if you have a 9 million $ Subban on the team, but obliviously BT had a plan at the deadline to trade and sign stone so there is a way to fit him in our salary.

He would bring some much needed grit and skill to the D.

Gio - Andersson
Hanifin - PK
Valamaki - Hamonic

A very nice combination of Skill and Grit on each line, plus it prepares us for the day when Gio either falls back to earth or retires.

I'm not saying it has to be PK but the wealth of D we currently have we should try to package it up to secure our future. I used PK as the example as there is rumors he is available and actually like the fit with the exception of his salary.
- Yeah...Baby

Well, we don't know what his plan was re Stone - and it might have been the sticker price that turned him away from that type of deal.

I don't mind PK's game, I think he becomes a great option on the power play, but that salary - Nashville would have to eat some of that IMO for the Flames to make it work.

Doesn't TO need cap space ? I bet they'd be interested in Kylington.
- tincup

With Sandin and Liljegren about to make the jump, their interest in Kylington might not be as apparent. I do think you could get away with Brodie for Nylander (or Brodie+) at this point, given their need to clear cap space and bolster their veteran core on D, but I don't know about Kylington as being a prime asset in any deal they make right now.

With Sandin and Liljegren about to make the jump, their interest in Kylington might not be as apparent. I do think you could get away with Brodie for Nylander (or Brodie+) at this point, given their need to clear cap space and bolster their veteran core on D, but I don't know about Kylington as being a prime asset in any deal they make right now.
- rmull905

They are going to watch Gardiner walk as they dont have the cap space to resign him, which is going to leave a huge hole in their top 4. Brodie brings exactly what Gardiner does, TOI, PP mobility. Brodie has 1 more year at a great cap hit. That buys them 1 more year until Marleau & Horton hits drop off. Kadri is about the same hit & there is talk they may want to run him out. I would do a Brodie for Kadri swap in a heartbeat. Makes sense for both teams & Nylander also filled the 3rd line centre pretty good during the playoffs. If Tre could include Gilles & Brodie for Sparks & Kadri, I would be down with that & let Sparks back up Ritter. I know Sparks had a bad year & me thinks he needs a change of scenery. But remember, the year before he was the MVP of the Calder Cup & these goalies are voodoo, you never know.

They are going to watch Gardiner walk as they dont have the cap space to resign him, which is going to leave a huge hole in their top 4. Brodie brings exactly what Gardiner does, TOI, PP mobility. Brodie has 1 more year at a great cap hit. That buys them 1 more year until Marleau & Horton hits drop off. Kadri is about the same hit & there is talk they may want to run him out. I would do a Brodie for Kadri swap in a heartbeat. Makes sense for both teams & Nylander also filled the 3rd line centre pretty good during the playoffs. If Tre could include Gilles & Brodie for Sparks & Kadri, I would be down with that & let Sparks back up Ritter. I know Sparks had a bad year & me thinks he needs a change of scenery. But remember, the year before he was the MVP of the Calder Cup & these goalies are voodoo, you never know.
- Kevin R

I just don't like Kadri so I hope this doesn't happen but I completely agree with you that Toronto and Brodie are a good fit. The Flames return is what throws me. I think with Gardner walking that leaves a perfect spot for Brodie to fill and if he fits into their system they can resign him or trade him at the deadline. That's why I pitched the trade for Kapanen. I don't think they will be able to sign Kapanen, Marner, keep Gardner and add a decent FA Defenseman.

Happy the Canes got a return, I hope his career trajectory follows that of Tim Erixon. Dude could have been on 2 playoff ready teams, both with great mentors to learn from.

Hate that college players have this kind of sway. He's maybe the first prospect in (aat the very least recent) history to have been dealt twice before signing a contract.
- rmull905

CHL players have the same "loophole". Except they just get re-entered in the draft when they're like 20 I think and then if they don't sign with their 2nd team, they become UFA's at the age of 22 I believe.

The issue for them is that they will have to find another league to play in once they lose their CHL eligibility. In Europe most likely.

I just don't like Kadri so I hope this doesn't happen but I completely agree with you that Toronto and Brodie are a good fit. The Flames return is what throws me. I think with Gardner walking that leaves a perfect spot for Brodie to fill and if he fits into their system they can resign him or trade him at the deadline. That's why I pitched the trade for Kapanen. I don't think they will be able to sign Kapanen, Marner, keep Gardner and add a decent FA Defenseman.
- buddy_doug

As much as I would love that deal the Leafs are not trading Kapanen straight up for 2 TJ Brodies never mind 1. Lets get serious !

They are going to watch Gardiner walk as they dont have the cap space to resign him, which is going to leave a huge hole in their top 4. Brodie brings exactly what Gardiner does, TOI, PP mobility. Brodie has 1 more year at a great cap hit. That buys them 1 more year until Marleau & Horton hits drop off. Kadri is about the same hit & there is talk they may want to run him out. I would do a Brodie for Kadri swap in a heartbeat. Makes sense for both teams & Nylander also filled the 3rd line centre pretty good during the playoffs. If Tre could include Gilles & Brodie for Sparks & Kadri, I would be down with that & let Sparks back up Ritter. I know Sparks had a bad year & me thinks he needs a change of scenery. But remember, the year before he was the MVP of the Calder Cup & these goalies are voodoo, you never know.
- Kevin R

Couple of reasons they would let him walk, cap space (basically the same as Brodie's) and the guy needs a change of scenery - oddly, if you swapped these guys, both teams are likely no better off

CHL players have the same "loophole". Except they just get re-entered in the draft when they're like 20 I think and then if they don't sign with their 2nd team, they become UFA's at the age of 22 I believe.

The issue for them is that they will have to find another league to play in once they lose their CHL eligibility. In Europe most likely.
- Nucker101

Pretty different though, for a bunch of reasons, but yeah, loopholes abound.

I don't have to like it either I suppose, and frankly, I hope the guy craps out - he jilted two teams and has likely left some burned bridges behind him for how he communicated through the process

Pretty different though, for a bunch of reasons, but yeah, loopholes abound.

I don't have to like it either I suppose, and frankly, I hope the guy craps out - he jilted two teams and has likely left some burned bridges behind him for how he communicated through the process
- rmull905

I hear you but I kind of understand his decision. Fox will play next year for sure with the Rangers. The Hurricanes are pretty stacked on D and so are the Flames for that matter. On the other hand, Erixon was a complete wienerhead as the Flames would have guaranteed him a spot...they had no prospects and needed D badly. He really hurt himself with that decision.

Pretty different though, for a bunch of reasons, but yeah, loopholes abound.

I don't have to like it either I suppose, and frankly, I hope the guy craps out - he jilted two teams and has likely left some burned bridges behind him for how he communicated through the process
- rmull905

He definitely pissed the Canes organization off.

There wasn't even an obligatory "We wish him well" or anything. Just a "None of this would have happened if you had just told everybody the truth you (frank)ing Richard."

I hear you but I kind of understand his decision. Fox will play next year for sure with the Rangers. The Hurricanes are pretty stacked on D and so are the Flames for that matter. On the other hand, Erixon was a complete wienerhead as the Flames would have guaranteed him a spot...they had no prospects and needed D badly. He really hurt himself with that decision.
- tincup

I've got a friend who's a Rangers fan and he's absolutely over-the-moon about the acquisition. Conversly, I have a friend that's an Avs fan and when Makar made his debut, the Rangers fan said "well, college players rarely become impact players in the NHL." Homerism x1000.

He definitely pissed the Canes organization off.

There wasn't even an obligatory "We wish him well" or anything. Just a "None of this would have happened if you had just told everybody the truth you (frank)ing Richard."
- BINGO!

Load of bullpoop on hi part, I have the feeling there was some deceit when he was chatting with the Flames early on and they finally just said enough was enough.

Good move by the Canes getting a return and not letting the kid walk for nothing.

I hear you but I kind of understand his decision. Fox will play next year for sure with the Rangers. The Hurricanes are pretty stacked on D and so are the Flames for that matter. On the other hand, Erixon was a complete wienerhead as the Flames would have guaranteed him a spot...they had no prospects and needed D badly. He really hurt himself with that decision.
- tincup

You gotta think these talks were going on for a while, and once the Flames landed Valimaki, they became a lot more comfortable with including Fox in the deal. Funny enough, before that pick, you likely would have said there were a ton of question marks, as neither Andersson nor Kylington were sure bets to make the team at the time. Fox wouldn't have been top 4, but top 6 with PP time for sure. Carolina pretty much committed a roster spot to him and he still didn't sign.

The problem I have with him is he, based on reports, flat out lied when he said he'd sign anywhere he could play NHL hockey quickly. He'd be playing playoff hockey right now if he was being truthful. For me, makes him a bigger wienerhead than Erixon.

You gotta think these talks were going on for a while, and once the Flames landed Valimaki, they became a lot more comfortable with including Fox in the deal. Funny enough, before that pick, you likely would have said there were a ton of question marks, as neither Andersson nor Kylington were sure bets to make the team at the time. Fox wouldn't have been top 4, but top 6 with PP time for sure. Carolina pretty much committed a roster spot to him and he still didn't sign.

The problem I have with him is he, based on reports, flat out lied when he said he'd sign anywhere he could play NHL hockey quickly. He'd be playing playoff hockey right now if he was being truthful. For me, makes him a bigger wienerhead than Erixon.
- rmull905

Fox just looks like a smug bumhole.



That is the face of someone who smells their own farts.

Pretty different though, for a bunch of reasons, but yeah, loopholes abound.

I don't have to like it either I suppose, and frankly, I hope the guy craps out - he jilted two teams and has likely left some burned bridges behind him for how he communicated through the process
- rmull905

It actually takes longer to become a free agent if you go the college route. The only reason CHL players never wait it out is because it's really hard to say no to a signing bonus.

As much as I would love that deal the Leafs are not trading Kapanen straight up for 2 TJ Brodies never mind 1. Lets get serious !
- DEDDIE

Really? I would think a guy that has a decent contract for another year that can play top line minutes if necessary but probably suited for more of a 2nd pairing guy, that can skate and be a puck mover if needed, and play on the PP and PK might be worth more than what people have been saying. Not to mention the guy signed a very good team friendly contract that gave up UFA years and was just under what Giordano was making at the time. It's a business but that should mean something.

I like Brodie and if we didn't have a stable full of young ready defensive prospects I don't think I would be pitching a trade. I think the guy had a couple bad bounces that got into his head which exposed a crack on the defense and teams took advantage of that. Hopefully he bounces back where ever he is next year.

Really? I would think a guy that has a decent contract for another year that can play top line minutes if necessary but probably suited for more of a 2nd pairing guy, that can skate and be a puck mover if needed, and play on the PP and PK might be worth more than what people have been saying. Not to mention the guy signed a very good team friendly contract that gave up UFA years and was just under what Giordano was making at the time. It's a business but that should mean something.

I like Brodie and if we didn't have a stable full of young ready defensive prospects I don't think I would be pitching a trade. I think the guy had a couple bad bounces that got into his head which exposed a crack on the defense and teams took advantage of that. Hopefully he bounces back where ever he is next year.
- buddy_doug

^^This^^

Those bad bounces however were at the worst possible moments and painfully burned into most fans minds. The only way he returns is if Tre can't make a deal that addresses our needs...

^^This^^

Those bad bounces however were at the worst possible moments and painfully burned into most fans minds. The only way he returns is if Tre can't make a deal that addresses our needs...
- geta02it

This is basically the same story re Gardiner - both really solid defencemen who are being crushed by their glaring mistakes at key moments

3 way trade:

Brodie/Frolik to TO to address their need for defensive play(ers)

Nylander to CLB to replace the skill lost from Panarin’s likely departure.

Josh Anderson (and a pick) to CGY to address their need for size with scoring ability.
Maybe CLB takes back Marleau as well with TO retaining some $$. To help TO with their cap concerns.

3 way trade:

Brodie/Frolik to TO to address their need for defensive play(ers)

Nylander to CLB to replace the skill lost from Panarin’s likely departure.

Josh Anderson (and a pick) to CGY to address their need for size with scoring ability.
Maybe CLB takes back Marleau as well with TO retaining some $$. To help TO with their cap concerns.
- TandA4Flames

They'd definitely have to do something to help Toronto's cap space. They'd be gaining salary in that deal.

Happy the Canes got a return, I hope his career trajectory follows that of Tim Erixon. Dude could have been on 2 playoff ready teams, both with great mentors to learn from.

Hate that college players have this kind of sway. He's maybe the first prospect in (aat the very least recent) history to have been dealt twice before signing a contract.
- rmull905

The rule needs to fixed. Reality is that he was a Rangers fan and will get more playing time in NY then CGY or the Canes. Rangers actually rebuilding right and should be on par to make PO in 2 years