Dougie Hamilton: 18 Goals, 30 Primary Points, 259 shots, 160 Hits, 91 blocked shots, 35 takeaways, 66 giveaways.

Noah Hanifin: 5 Goals, 14 Primary Points, 116 Shots, 87 Hits, 83 blocked shots, 50 takeways, 87 giveaways

Hanifin averaged more ice time per game than Hamilton did and did way less with it.

The only thing Hanifin did better was have teammates who could score.

Goals: Dougie
Primary Points: Dougie
Points (Total): Dougie
Shots: Dougie
Hits: Dougie
Blocked Shots: Dougie
Takeaways: Hanifin
Giveaways: Dougie
Ice Time: Hanifin
- BINGO!

Like I said, Hamilton had a better year, but it wasn't that much better. Alot of the stats you bring up aren't really all that important when you look at the roles and systems they play in.

I didn't watch a ton of Hamilton this year, but the goals and shots aren't necessarily that big of a positive. Hamilton ignoring the pass and focusing on getting his shot off last year was a big reason he was traded.

Getting the puck to the players who are there to score is a good thing.

4 playoff wins in a single season as a coach vs 1 playoff win in 5 seasons.

Plus Rod could totally kick his ass.
- BINGO!

So 2-1 Canes


They won the trade

Think he will sign with Carolina?
- DuranDuran

He might. He seems to like it and I think his recent injury history is going to really limit how attractive he is to some teams.

Having said that, I don't know if they'll want to sign him with so many young guys ready to graduate to the big club, and they essentially traded for Nino to replace him.

Like I said, Hamilton had a better year, but it wasn't that much better. Alot of the stats you bring up aren't really all that important when you look at the roles and systems they play in.

I didn't watch a ton of Hamilton this year, but the goals and shots aren't necessarily that big of a positive. Hamilton ignoring the pass and focusing on getting his shot off last year was a big reason he was traded.

Getting the puck to the players who are there to score is a good thing.
- Hunkulese

For sure move him. Calgary has 3 good young D who need a bigger role so they need to make room...plus they need the cap space.

If they got a high 2nd, that would be fine. Any team looking to fast track a rebuild, should be interested...as I don't think he'd be tough to resign. Good skating D who can make a pass. He gets into trouble if he's asked to play too much but he'd be fine for a 2nd pairing for another 5 years.

So 2-1 Canes


They won the trade
- Nucker101

- BINGO!

He finished the year 67th in assists from a defenceman and his assist numbers have dropped considerably as his goal numbers have gone up. It's really hard to score as a defenceman and I'd much rather have a pass first guy than a shot first guy.

If he wasn't so focused on getting his shot off, maybe he'd only have 10 goals on the year, but he'd probably have 20 more assists.

He finished the year 67th in assists from a defenceman and his assist numbers have dropped considerably as his goal numbers have gone up. It's really hard to score as a defenceman and I'd much rather have a pass first guy than a shot first guy.

If he wasn't so focused on getting his shot off, maybe he'd only have 10 goals on the year, but he'd probably have 20 more assists.
- Hunkulese

The Canes entire system is built around getting shots from everywhere and crashing the net. His "shoot first" thing is exactly what they need.

Also a big part of his assist numbers dropping of is probably related to him no longer being on the ice with another top 10 scoring defenseman.

Actually they should consider trading Gio. Unpopular statement but his value will never be higher.

For sure move him. Calgary has 3 good young D who need a bigger role so they need to make room...plus they need the cap space.

If they got a high 2nd, that would be fine. Any team looking to fast track a rebuild, should be interested...as I don't think he'd be tough to resign. Good skating D who can make a pass. He gets into trouble if he's asked to play too much but he'd be fine for a 2nd pairing for another 5 years.
- tincup

D men are in high demand & you will absolutely get a 2nd for him, that would be a poor return. Brodie played the right side on the top pairing, he played over 20 minutes a game, still has a year left on a good $$$ contract. Exactly what the Leafs are looking for. They are losing Gardiner, they are down on Kadri, I would trade Janko & Brodie for Kadri & a 2nd in a heartbeat.
We'll get at least a 1st rounder. Many teams need D, huge demand & brodie is at least a #3. I think Frolik will be moved as well & Stone can easily be a buyout that will also add another 2.5 mill to our cap space. Fantenberg would be a decent depth addition for cheap & we have Valamaki & Andersson about to take much bigger roles next year.

Him and Hamonic were a rock solid 2nd pair playing 20 plus minutes per night.
Excellent 2nd pairing Dman who can skate , move the puck and has good size.
We are very pleased to have him for 5 more years at a 5 mil/cap hit.

Him and Hamonic were a rock solid 2nd pair playing 20 plus minutes per night.
Excellent 2nd pairing Dman who can skate , move the puck and has good size.
We are very pleased to have him for 5 more years at a 5 mil/cap hit.
- DEDDIE

No complaints that's for sure. Funny how some people seem to think 2nd pairing is all he'll be. At 22, Gio wasn't even in the league yet. Hanifin still has a ton of up side

Good article by Pat at Flames nation. https://flamesnation.ca/2...-up-all-kinds-of-options/

Wonder what we could get for a Brodie and Jankowski.

Good article by Pat at Flames nation. https://flamesnation.ca/2...-up-all-kinds-of-options/

Wonder what we could get for a Brodie and Jankowski.
- jessehub

I like where you are going with that!
2 for Zucker maybe.

He finished the year 67th in assists from a defenceman and his assist numbers have dropped considerably as his goal numbers have gone up. It's really hard to score as a defenceman and I'd much rather have a pass first guy than a shot first guy.

If he wasn't so focused on getting his shot off, maybe he'd only have 10 goals on the year, but he'd probably have 20 more assists.
- Hunkulese

Have you at all noticed carolina is a whore when it comes to quality defenceman. They have like 5 guys who can play top pair. Dougie in edmonton he gets 70 points cause he would play every pp in carolina he has to share big minutes. Plus carolina is still playing so theres that as well to consider. The sum of the trade equals the team who goes the farthest.

Have you at all noticed carolina is a whore when it comes to quality defenceman. They have like 5 guys who can play top pair. Dougie in edmonton he gets 70 points cause he would play every pp in carolina he has to share big minutes. Plus carolina is still playing so theres that as well to consider. The sum of the trade equals the team who goes the farthest.
- oil90

Why does a trade have to be win or lose and not win win?
The Flames got 2 excellent players with good long term contracts.
The Canes got Hamilton, a year of Ferland and whatever they turn Fox into.
WIN/WIN

Have you at all noticed carolina is a whore when it comes to quality defenceman. They have like 5 guys who can play top pair. Dougie in edmonton he gets 70 points cause he would play every pp in carolina he has to share big minutes. Plus carolina is still playing so theres that as well to consider. The sum of the trade equals the team who goes the farthest.
- oil90

Arguing over who wins the trade will never end until one team wins the cup

Beginning of the season everyone was saying the canes

Then Lindholm blew up on the top line and everyone said the flames

Then dougie caught fire and Lindholm went cold and it was the canes

Then fox wouldn’t sign in Carolina and it was the flames

Now the canes are still playing so it’s them

If they get eliminated and ferland and fox walk will it be the flames again lol

Have you at all noticed carolina is a whore when it comes to quality defenceman. They have like 5 guys who can play top pair. Dougie in edmonton he gets 70 points cause he would play every pp in carolina he has to share big minutes. Plus carolina is still playing so theres that as well to consider. The sum of the trade equals the team who goes the farthest.
- oil90

ESL?

Arguing over who wins the trade will never end until one team wins the cup

Beginning of the season everyone was saying the canes

Then Lindholm blew up on the top line and everyone said the flames

Then dougie caught fire and Lindholm went cold and it was the canes

Then fox wouldn’t sign in Carolina and it was the flames

Now the canes are still playing so it’s them

If they get eliminated and ferland and fox walk will it be the flames again lol
- Redmile247

JFC... who cares? Worked well for Carolina and also for the Flames... Next topic...

Its not 'should" Brodie be traded but when and to whom. Honestly who would be untouchable on this team right now?

JFC... who cares? Worked well for Carolina and also for the Flames... Next topic...

Its not 'should" Brodie be traded but when and to whom. Honestly who would be untouchable on this team right now?
- geta02it

Untouchable ? I'd say JG, Lindholm, Tkachuk, Gio, Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson. Monahan and Backlund are close but if someone blows your socks off...

Trade bait, BT should see what others are willing to pay: Brodie, Frolik, Jankowski, Kylington.

Untradeable: Neal, Stone

Untouchable ? I'd say JG, Lindholm, Tkachuk, Gio, Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson. Monahan and Backlund are close but if someone blows your socks off...

Trade bait, BT should see what others are willing to pay: Brodie, Frolik, Jankowski, Kylington.

Untradeable: Neal, Stone
- tincup

Stone is definitely tradable. He's still an NHL calibre defenceman, he's not making a ton of money, and he's only got a year left on his deal. He won't bring back much more than an AHL scrub, but if they want to move him, they can.

Trading Jankowski would be idiotic unless they're somehow bringing back an actual number one centre.

Stone is definitely tradable. He's still an NHL calibre defenceman, he's not making a ton of money, and he's only got a year left on his deal. He won't bring back much more than an AHL scrub, but if they want to move him, they can.

Trading Jankowski would be idiotic unless they're somehow bringing back an actual number one centre.
- Hunkulese

How do you know it's idiotic without knowing what comes back ?

How do you know it's idiotic without knowing what comes back ?
- tincup

Because unless they're bringing back a number one centre, it's idiotic. He checks off all the boxes of what the Flames need. He just needs to put it all together on a more consistent basis.

He's already playing above his contract and will still be an RFA after next year. He leaves a hole in the lineup if they trade him that they won't be able to easily replace without spending more money. They're a team with very few holes right now, why create one?

If Toronto would do Jankowski for Kadri straight up, sure. But that's never going to happen.

Because unless they're bringing back a number one centre, it's idiotic. He checks off all the boxes of what the Flames need. He just needs to put it all together on a more consistent basis.

He's already playing above his contract and will still be an RFA after next year. He leaves a hole in the lineup if they trade him that they won't be able to easily replace without spending more money. They're a team with very few holes right now, why create one?

If Toronto would do Jankowski for Kadri straight up, sure. But that's never going to happen.
- Hunkulese

He doesn't tick all the boxes. He's not physical despite being possibly the biggest guy on the team. As far the playoffs, he's a guy who could have made a difference with his size and he didn't. I though he looked overwhelmed at times with the intensity. Peters has already said he may move Lindholm back to centre and Bennett may get another crack at centre. Janko is certainly not untouchable.

He doesn't tick all the boxes. He's not physical despite being possibly the biggest guy on the team. As far the playoffs, he's a guy who could have made a difference with his size and he didn't. I though he looked overwhelmed at times with the intensity. Peters has already said he may move Lindholm back to centre and Bennett may get another crack at centre. Janko is certainly not untouchable.
- tincup

Are you describing Monahan or Jankowski here?

Monahan is two inches shorter and 4 lbs lighter (depending on what website you look at).