we could talk Nylander, but you guys are in cap hell, we are in driver's seat, you guys gave Nylander awful contract

lets keep first round pick talk outta this brah
- jimbro83

We'll do

Nylander + Johnsson (Leafs cannot afford him)

for

resigned Kreider (under 5.5million, 5y) + Pionk

include some draft picks to even things out.

Muzzin is behind Rielly and Dermott for sure.
Muzzin is a good 2nd pairing d-man.
But he's slow. v e r y v e r y s l o w.
B u r n s l o w ..

Issue is not on how Babcock used or not used his players.
Sure, he could have given Matthews / Marner / Tavares a bit more time.
But honestly they weren't playing that well yesterday to believe that would have made a big difference.

Issue with yesterday's game is that it seemed only Trevor Moore, a guy that just joined the team, was hungry to win that game.

Whether that's the players or the coaching, I don't know.
But that's definitely an issue.
Personally I think you can't have a winning mentality with some players obviously freeriding.
- MaximusAurelius

Didn't bother watching the game I see

We'll do

Nylander + Johnsson (Leafs cannot afford him)

for

resigned Kreider (under 5.5million, 5y) + Pionk

include some draft picks to even things out.
- MaximusAurelius

problem is with a re-signed Kreider is the extension cannot be done until July 1st

you guys should really be after Georgiev, he's perfect for what you need

18:02 for Matthews in a deciding game 7 with 0 PKs. Anyone still think I am wrong about Babcock's player usage?

you realize that Nylander's cap hit this year was 10.27 million, right?
- MaximusAurelius

So? Did that affect the leafs ability to add? Nope they had tons of space.

Saying someone has a cap hit 3mil higher than it really is is disingenuous. You're doing it just to try to make it look worse than it is. His cap hit is very good for a player of his caliber. Makes marleau money, but he's not a problem.

problem is with a re-signed Kreider is the extension cannot be done until July 1st

you guys should really be after Georgiev, he's perfect for what you need
- jimbro83

is Shestyorkin confirmed to come over to Rangers for next season?
if yes, I understand NYR potentially using Georgiev as a trade chip.
But if not, why not keep him for next year?

18:02 for Matthews in a deciding game 7 with 0 PKs. Anyone still think I am wrong about Babcock's player usage?
- RogerRoeper

Do you think we would've won if he played 3 mins more? He played over 20 mins in game 6 and we unsurprisingly lost. This team doesn't have the mental capability to win a playoff series at the moment. There needs to be a number of changes as well as a change in strategy.

Do you think we would've won if he played 3 mins more? He played over 20 mins in game 6 and we unsurprisingly lost. This team doesn't have the mental capability to win a playoff series at the moment. There needs to be a number of changes as well as a change in strategy.
- walshyleafsfan

20 minutes is not enough. Stop excusing Babcock. Even a guy like Moore was very good and barely played.
It's insane to not play your best players enough.

is Shestyorkin confirmed to come over to Rangers for next season?
if yes, I understand NYR potentially using Georgiev as a trade chip.
But if not, why not keep him for next year?
- MaximusAurelius

yes, Shesty is signed and delivered

he's the exact same age Lundqvist was when he came over in 2005, and Henrik played 53 games that year

I think they need to play him a lot immediately

we NYR fans definitely have differing opinions on this, but I am very much in favor of using Georgiev as trade chip, and I really like the guy, it's just the best solution

So? Did that affect the leafs ability to add? Nope they had tons of space.

Saying someone has a cap hit 3mil higher than it really is is disingenuous. You're doing it just to try to make it look worse than it is. His cap hit is very good for a player of his caliber. Makes marleau money, but he's not a problem.
- burn

leafs didn't have that much capspace with the bonus overages of last season eating up caphit this year, and the potential performance bonuses of this season.
since next season the cap will be a problem, leafs couldn't risk any bonus overages for next season's caphit.
combine that with nylander's 10.27million caphit of this year, and yes - it did definitely affect the leafs ability to add at deadline.

and we're not talking about who's the biggest issue regarding caphit - marleau or nylander.
we're talking how nylander is negative value for leafs team at this time and going forward - just like his daddy.

yes, Shesty is signed and delivered

he's the exact same age Lundqvist was when he came over in 2005, and Henrik played 53 games that year

I think they need to play him a lot immediately

we NYR fans definitely have differing opinions on this, but I am very much in favor of using Georgiev as trade chip, and I really like the guy, it's just the best solution
- jimbro83

Would be great if Leafs could add Georgiev as a backup in a trade.
Freddy might not like that though - Georgiev could take his place eventually (at least in decisive playoff games)..

Not sure whether

Kreider + Georgiev

for

Nylander

is a deal Leafs would be interested in - at least from a salary perspective it would work.
Leafs would probably want to see something added in order to save some face..

Would be great if Leafs could add Georgiev as a backup in a trade.
Freddy might not like that though - Georgiev could take his place eventually (at least in decisive playoff games)..

Not sure whether

Kreider + Georgiev

for

Nylander

is a deal Leafs would be interested in - at least from a salary perspective it would work.
Leafs would probably want to see something added in order to save some face..
- MaximusAurelius

I get it you hate Nylander but do not trade a young asset when his value is at all all-time low.
Move Zaitsev now. He looked pretty good in the playoffs.

20 minutes is not enough. Stop excusing Babcock. Even a guy like Moore was very good and barely played.
It's insane to not play your best players enough.
- RogerRoeper

playoff games are won as a team effort, not by individual players.
the team didn't deliver - basically because they're not a team.
that's a shared problem between Dubas/Shanahan, Babcock and his staff, and the players themselves.

leafs didn't have that much capspace with the bonus overages of last season eating up caphit this year, and the potential performance bonuses of this season.
since next season the cap will be a problem, leafs couldn't risk any bonus overages for next season's caphit.
combine that with nylander's 10.27million caphit of this year, and yes - it did definitely affect the leafs ability to add at deadline.

and we're not talking about who's the biggest issue regarding caphit - marleau or nylander.
we're talking how nylander is negative value for leafs team at this time and going forward - just like his daddy.
- MaximusAurelius

Daddy Ny proved to be a decent agent though...

I get it you hate Nylander but do not trade a young asset when his value is at all all-time low.
Move Zaitsev now. He looked pretty good in the playoffs.
- RogerRoeper

According to some in here, Nylander had a decent to very good playoff performance...

Nylander situation is the same as Phaneuf situation in the past - negative influence on the team and addition by substraction.
there will be some GM's willing to take a risk on him - he might even be a good fit on some teams if they have a different build than the Toronto Maple Leafs.

20 minutes is not enough. Stop excusing Babcock. Even a guy like Moore was very good and barely played.
It's insane to not play your best players enough.
- RogerRoeper

I'm not excusing Babcock. There's multiple issues with this team. This isn't solely a fire the coach and everything will be OK type of deal. The Leafs aren't built to eliminate a team from the playoffs just yet. They had 2 stabs at it and failed. Again.

There needs to be a number of changes. Coach included. The homer fans think a coaching change is the answer. Easy to blame 1 person (2 if you include Marleau).

Lots of people suggested throughout the whole season they didn't see the Leafs knocking Boston out for a multitude of reasons. They were mostly laughed at.

Daddy Ny proved to be a decent agent though...
- 21peter

half of it was because he was dealing with a novice GM.
no way that contract would have gone through with Lou or any other experienced GM.

Daddy Ny proved to be a decent agent though...
- 21peter

half of it was because he was dealing with a novice GM.
no way that contract would have gone through with Lou or any other experienced GM.

playoff games are won as a team effort, not by individual players.
the team didn't deliver - basically because they're not a team.
that's a shared problem between Dubas/Shanahan, Babcock and his staff, and the players themselves.
- MaximusAurelius

So you don't think coaching is one of the issues?

Morning

Well, what does the autopsy reveal?

leafs didn't have that much capspace with the bonus overages of last season eating up caphit this year, and the potential performance bonuses of this season.
since next season the cap will be a problem, leafs couldn't risk any bonus overages for next season's caphit.
combine that with nylander's 10.27million caphit of this year, and yes - it did definitely affect the leafs ability to add at deadline.

and we're not talking about who's the biggest issue regarding caphit - marleau or nylander.
we're talking how nylander is negative value for leafs team at this time and going forward - just like his daddy.
- MaximusAurelius

According to some in here, Nylander had a decent to very good playoff performance...

Nylander situation is the same as Phaneuf situation in the past - negative influence on the team and addition by substraction.
there will be some GM's willing to take a risk on him - he might even be a good fit on some teams if they have a different build than the Toronto Maple Leafs.
- MaximusAurelius

Completely different situation. Phaneuf was slow and past-his-prime and the team was horrible and needed to rebuild completely.

If you view Nylander and Phaneuf as the same, well not sure what I can tell you.

I will sit back and laugh at Nylander playing for another team in a pennies for the dollar trade and getting 70+ points at age 22.

half of it was because he was dealing with a novice GM.
no way that contract would have gone through with Lou or any other experienced GM.
- MaximusAurelius

Everyone is disappointed.

You say in one post:

playoff games are won as a team effort, not by individual players.
the team didn't deliver - basically because they're not a team.
that's a shared problem between Dubas/Shanahan, Babcock and his staff, and the players themselves.
- MaximusAurelius

And then go on in another to bash Nylander because it's his fault.

Which is it, Max?

You're not in the room. By all accounts, the team likes Nylander and he's a part of the core.

Nylander can be faulted for an empty net goal. He shouldn't be faulted because his idiot coaching staff likes to pull the goalie when we don't even have the puck. He can't be faulted for having Marleau and Brown as wingers who were boat anchors to EVERYONE this season. He did just fine.

Last night's game - specifically - is on Andersen. It should have been a 1-1 game, not a 3-1 game. And that's not on Nylander.

So you don't think coaching is one of the issues?
- RogerRoeper

One of many.

half of it was because he was dealing with a novice GM.
no way that contract would have gone through with Lou or any other experienced GM.
- MaximusAurelius

Get (frank)ed.