Kind of reshapes each teams roster but doesn't look like one team is really getting over on another.
- J35Bacher

Shakes things up, I feel like they might ask us for a low to mid round pick too, which i wouldn't have an issue with. Subban is a bit overrated but he's a competitor and a good player.

Who says no?

To Nashville: Voracek, Gostisbehere
To Philadelphia: Arvidsson, Subban

Just curious.
- J35Bacher

Nashville?

Nashville?
- missingmike

I do think we'd have to add but maybe not too much. There are always Subban rumblings and maybe they are trying to get rid of him. I'd even add Rubstov.

Simmonds will no doubt bounce back but I want to move on. The Flyers need speed and skill. We dont need 2 JVRs on the team. I am aware Simmonds is more physical than JVR but they both play the same role on the team. Its time to move on.

Blues vs Columbus would be a fun final to see.
- Pacificgem

Id personally love to see Vegas vs Columbus. The last two expansion teams (minus the Wild) battle it out for the SC. I think Columbus deserves it, and I would love to see Vegas win a cup. Always rooted for PEB, and now that Lavy/Simmer is out, thats where my allegiance lies. I would love to root for Brindy and Carolina, but I can't root for another EC team, its easier to root for a WC team.

If Vegas falls to San Jose though, I think I would root for the Sharks, would love to see Jumbo Joe win a cup, from all the things Ive heard about him, he deserves it. Plus, its fun to kinda see Martin Jones go from goat to absolute stud the last two games. He's a great goalie when he's on, just has been few and far between when he's on.

so would that still be on the table....hard to believe a miserable 17 game stint in Nashville would sour them that much?
- landros 2

i sure hope it isnt on the table. turn the page. No way do i give him a multi year deal at this point unless its dirt cheap.

I'd take him at 10.

Question. What if Podkolzin drops and is there at 10 as well? I have seen him drop in some mocks and have read some things teams are worried about his russian factor and not coming over when teams want.
- J35Bacher

Would love if that happened, he was ranked #3 in several mocks earlier this month. Unfortunately he'd have to make it to 11 though

Lmao and Ghost is? Great analysis.
- ClaudeFather

So we should trade Ghost for another Ghost of lesser offensive talent?

with the way his stint with the preds went, and his subsequent playoffs, i think simmer sees the writing on the wall. that said, he also clearly loved Philly and Philly loves him. He still owns his house in Philly and I wouldn't be surprised if he continued to have a home in the Philadelphia area when his playing days are over.

That said, I would 100% be in favor of signing Simmonds with a few caveats:

1. He realizes he isn't the same player he was in years past, wont be on the first or second scoring lines, wont be playing 15-18 mins a game, may not even get PP time.

2. The guy though is still a solid skater, still a big body, has definitely become more disciplined in situations as his time has gone on, and can certainly still be an agitator. Think of a slightly smaller Ryan Reeves, with a million percent better hockey IQ and hockey skill than Reeves. Perhaps shifting his focus from offense to defense/PK, he could fill a spot on the team as that, plus a vocal leader, a grinder, a shot blocker, a do whatever it takes to win for the guys type player, ala what Lappy did pretty much his whole career when he realized he wouldnt be the offensive force he was in juniors, in the NHL.

3. He becomes an invaluable source to guys like Lindblom, Ratcliffe, Farabee, perhaps even guys like Twarynski and Bunnaman, giving his years of experience to them how to be a power forward and play the right way.

4. Most importantly, accepting a hometown deal, small AAV, maybe a longer term, to ensure he retires a flyers. I am thinking something along the lines of 3 years, 6 mil, I think that's fair. We have the cap for it, and to be honest, this contract will basically be what the cap goes up every year, maybe less.

Thoughts?
- sjk540

6 mill per year? or 6 mill over 3 years?

I feel like the winner of that Vegas/Sharks series will get the cup. My predicition was a rematch of last year with Vegas taking it. Caps dealt quite a blow with that Oshie injury.
- ClaudeFather

Vegas has outplayed SJ so far, be pretty amazing for them to win it in their second year.

Who says no?

To Nashville: Voracek, Gostisbehere
To Philadelphia: Arvidsson, Subban

Just curious.
- J35Bacher

Nashville.

So we should trade Ghost for another Ghost of lesser offensive talent?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Subban is a better player than Ghost, Arviddson has had 3 straight 30 goal seasons, one was just under. Folks on here scream about culture change and hating Jake and someone suggest a reasonable trade and we are trying to pretend Subban is horrible at defense? Subban hits, can skate, good passer, does he get out of position sometimes yes but he's a much better defender than Ghost.

Vegas has outplayed SJ so far, be pretty amazing for them to win it in their second year.
- Dave21Brown

Incredible really, and they are setup for a few years down the road too. Mark Stone looks amazing I really wish we could have got him. G- Cooter - Stone would have been an unreal line.

6 mill per year? or 6 mill over 3 years?
- daryl stanley

2 mil AAV at most, maybe even 1.75 if he would accept it. a 4th line of Laughton, Raffl, Simmer would look great. Id like to see what Hartman can do, he just didnt really show me anything in his 20 so games he was here.

2 mil AAV at most, maybe even 1.75 if he would accept it. a 4th line of Laughton, Raffl, Simmer would look great. Id like to see what Hartman can do, he just didnt really show me anything in his 20 so games he was here.
- sjk540

hartman didn't exactly have that many opportunities, played with limited ice time or with lesser players. Him Laughton and TK looked good together on the third line. I'd like him to be brought back, shouldn't cost much and it would be nice to have a skilled player in the bottom 6.

Simmonds will no doubt bounce back but I want to move on. The Flyers need speed and skill. We dont need 2 JVRs on the team. I am aware Simmonds is more physical than JVR but they both play the same role on the team. Its time to move on.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

JvR and Simmonds are two very different players. Just because both are net front presences on the PP, doesn’t make them they same player. Along with Simmonds obviously struggles, I would argue Simmonds was used poorly. Simmonds isn’t a slot player and Simmonds was used very little in the top six, even when he had a strong start to the season.

JvR and Simmonds are two very different players. Just because both are net front presences on the PP, doesn’t make them they same player. Along with Simmonds obviously struggles, I would argue Simmonds was used poorly. Simmonds isn’t a slot player and Simmonds was used very little in the top six, even when he had a strong start to the season.
- SuperSchennBros

my opinion, JVR is better around the net, his hands are really good, he also skates better. That said, if they think they can create a PP2 with Simmer at the net front, it is the best option for the team and right contract, I am all in

Blues vs Columbus would be a fun final to see.
- Pacificgem

I’ve always liked the Blues since Turgeon, Hull, Pronger, McInnis and Joseph.

Like Vancouver, I believe St Louis to have a long history in the nhl and they need to get over that cup hump.

JvR and Simmonds are two very different players. Just because both are net front presences on the PP, doesn’t make them they same player. Along with Simmonds obviously struggles, I would argue Simmonds was used poorly. Simmonds isn’t a slot player and Simmonds was used very little in the top six, even when he had a strong start to the season.
- SuperSchennBros

They are not very different. Like you said, they play the same role on the PP, they are both Average at best skaters and generate offense down low. They both do not possess the skill to make plays happen. They make low percentage plays that pay off once in a while. They are not much of a threat unless someone gets them the puck and they arent rush oriented players

Yeah, it's time to move on and stop living in the past.

Love the guy to pieces, but he's not an ideal 3rd-liner with the demands of the league now.
- Tomahawk

This. Doesn't fit with the league the way it's going. And will be roadblocking one of the many young forwards we're developing. You have to manage your roster spots carefully with the number of prospects we have. Like I said earlier, if we didn't already sign Raffl maybe I'd have interest in Simmonds (at a low price) but we're beyond that now.

They are not very different. Like you said, they play the same role on the PP, they are both Average at best skaters and generate offense down low. They both do not possess the skill to make plays happen. They make low percentage plays that pay off once in a while. They are not much of a threat unless someone gets them the puck and they arent rush oriented players
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

not great on D but JVR does make a nice pass, with his hands he cleared the D zone numerous times by just elevating the puck out without taking an icing. Again not a great D forward and you are right they both need to play with someone who can get them the puck. it is their best use.

Yeah, it's time to move on and stop living in the past.

Love the guy to pieces, but he's not an ideal 3rd-liner with the demands of the league now.
- Tomahawk

Could be an ideal 4th liner though if the money is right

Could be an ideal 4th liner though if the money is right
- sjk540

What line he plays on won't hide his flaws. You need 4 lines that can skate with speed and pass now. 4th line mucking and grinding doesn't fly anymore.

Could be an ideal 4th liner though if the money is right
- sjk540

Not really.

You already kind of have a 4th line of Raffl - Laughton - Hartman. And the way Vigneault talked about "talent doesn't have an age" it would seem like some guys(Farabee, Frost) might be given a chance to earn roster spots.

I just don't see a need for him unless it's some remarkable deal like something Raffl signed.

Not really.

You already kind of have a 4th line of Raffl - Laughton - Hartman. And the way Vigneault talked about "talent doesn't have an age" it would seem like some guys(Farabee, Frost) might be given a chance to earn roster spots.

I just don't see a need for him unless it's some remarkable deal like something Raffl signed.
- J35Bacher

I agree, it is all about FIT for the Flyers. On paper last years team had playoff talent, it just didnt all fit together.