Had it multiple times this season. How are the pens doing in the POs?
- Elbows15

Sick burn. They got walked all over. Murray was good. Was definitely a combination of getting outcoached, poor reffing, and bad individual efforts highlighted by some awful turnovers. Nothing out of the ordinary really

I like Tanev as a 4th liner and even as a spot-duty 3rd liner but can't see him on the 1st line. Like Caggiula, he's not a true top 6 player that should be relied upon to play on the 1st or 2nd line for a full season.

However, I do get the argument that Toews and Kane may thrive if they have talented sh!t disturbers like Caggiula or Tanev on their line. What about Ferland instead? He has proven he can put up 20/20 numbers.
- AEL_Fox

Ferland is said to be looking for 6M. I don't like him at that price. Has never played a full season and is about to be 27. Maybe if it was 3-4 year deal but definitely wouldn't go more than that. I have a feeling someone is going to offer more and he ends up in the Clarkson category.

Perlini has the skill set to have a career as a top 6 forward in the NHL.

Although Sikura has an overall sound game, but he’s not a goal scorer. He’s going to be a career 3rd-4th liner & play PK.

Both are valuable, but I’d keep Perlini if forced to choose.
- scottak

Does he have the heart? To this point, he hasn't shown it. If he is content being a 30-35 point guy, fine. Just don't give him term. Or much in the way of salary. Then he has value.

Justin i would expand the trade and add a 5th and get reeves or carrier. Still would not give up on hayden i still think there is potential with him. Trade to boston that involves AA would not work they Charlie Coyle who could play center but maybe AA and Perlin to a cap strap team for a young 2nd and prospect. Tanev is not a top six forward 3 years at 3 million per year sounds right. Plus i would see what Simmons would want maybe 2 years for 5 million. Hypothetical lines:

Saad toews kane
Dcat strome simmods
Tanev eakin kauhn
Caggiulla kampf reeves/ carrier
Kublick
Keith joki
McNabb gus
Murphy Seabrook
Veteran d man

Crawford
Delia or ward if Crawford status is not good
Thoughts?
- Scott1977

Simmonds? Hard pass. Is he even playing for the Preds in the PO?

I just read that CSKA just won over in Russia, with Grigorenko playing a big part. He always had the potential but always young/immature when he was forced into NHL. High expectations as 12th overall pick. At 24yrs old and in his prime...wonder what price tag would be for the big 6'3" C? Might look good between Kahun & Kubalik? 3yr 1-1.5 mil a year? Just an option I thought of, slightly different than Panarin coming over; since he wasn't drafted.
- DrewDawg

He has had a couple of chances in the NHL and didn't do too well. Think he can make more in the KHL, CSKA pays their players. Could be he is just a good KHL player. Nothing wrong with that but not every player can succeed in both league.

For poops and giggles, check out the top scorers in the KHL. Some familiar names on that list.

Does he have the heart? To this point, he hasn't shown it. If he is content being a 30-35 point guy, fine. Just don't give him term. Or much in the way of salary. Then he has value.
- Elbows15

That's the issue with Perlini - plenty of talent, skill and size. But heart, drive and bringing it every night are the big question. But @ just over $1M / year I keep him and hope. Far better player than Hayden for example if he works at it.

Why not think bigger package Henri Jokiharju Dylan Sikura to Toronto for William Nylander ? Tornoto in our old place cap hell and could use a quality young d-man
and Nylander would look better with Strome and the Cat instead of Perlini.

Why not think bigger package Henri Jokiharju Dylan Sikura to Toronto for William Nylander ? Tornoto in our old place cap hell and could use a quality young d-man
and Nylander would look better with Strome and the Cat instead of Perlini.
- 9Blackhawks9

The Hawks need defense more than they need Nylander.

That's the issue with Perlini - plenty of talent, skill and size. But heart, drive and bringing it every night are the big question. But @ just over $1M / year I keep him and hope. Far better player than Hayden for example if he works at it.
- RickJ

Exactly what I was getting at, Rick. For 1-1.5M, he has value. I just don't think he has shown enough to be worth more than that.

Its also my opinion this is who he is as a player. But hey, would be glad to be proven wrong.

For all the he came from the Yotes points, Strome definitely doesn't lack for giving his best effort every night.

The Hawks need defense more than they need Nylander.
- DarthKane

noted we do but we have enough young right shot d-man coming in the system that we can afford to grab a budding star while we can ...

Simmonds? Hard pass. Is he even playing for the Preds in the PO?
- Elbows15

Just a thought to add some skill and toughness ferland with his injury history and wanting too much is not a viable choice. Basically came down to Perlini or simmonds if perlini could put all together consistently we have are top 6 rw but he has not shown that. Whay about nyquist?

noted we do but we have enough young right shot d-man coming in the system that we can afford to grab a budding star while we can ...
- 9Blackhawks9

Budding star? Do you actually watch the Leaf games?

He held out for 2 months for David Pastrnak money and when he got it contributed 6 goals which Sikura should be able to match next year. Nylander is a grossly overpaid perimeter winger.

Budding star? Do you actually watch the Leaf games?

He held out for 2 months for David Pastrnak money and when he got it contributed 6 goals which Sikura should be able to match next year. Nylander is a grossly overpaid perimeter winger.
- RickJ

sure is looking like he's rounding into shape here in the playoffs try watching

sure is looking like he's rounding into shape here in the playoffs try watching
- 9Blackhawks9

You have to be very careful if you trade your own young players and the same applies when you acquire young talent.

Consider the following:

* it is difficult to find teams trading top four dmen. Especially considering the exoandion draft is on the horizon. We may add an experienced dman but at what cost? The next dman prospect whom we hope can play top four eventually is Jokiharju. Both Beaudin and Mitchell need to put on size/ strength muscle. Jokiharju does too but he is a big enough guy and he is the best young dman we have.

* Nylander is too soft and we need to add skill speed with toughness in our top two lines. PROBABLY through draft and not a trade

* Before adding another expensive player, is he worth it compared to where we spend our cap money?

Why not think bigger package Henri Jokiharju Dylan Sikura to Toronto for William Nylander ? Tornoto in our old place cap hell and could use a quality young d-man
and Nylander would look better with Strome and the Cat instead of Perlini.
- 9Blackhawks9

Huge overpay to help someone out of cap hell. More like a 2nd round pick, a nobody prospect will land Nylander at his cap hit, hell they might have to throw in a budding prospect to get rid of him

Exactly what I was getting at, Rick. For 1-1.5M, he has value. I just don't think he has shown enough to be worth more than that.

Its also my opinion this is who he is as a player. But hey, would be glad to be proven wrong.

For all the he came from the Yotes points, Strome definitely doesn't lack for giving his best effort every night.
- Elbows15

It'll be a similar deal Gusto got 2 years at $1.2

sure is looking like he's rounding into shape here in the playoffs try watching
- 9Blackhawks9

If scoring against yourself is rounding into shape then i guess

just a tad. he's a 4th liner. Not to mention what world is he a 1st line guy?
- Gramps28

Probably better classified as a 3rd liner that's just buried on a deep Winnipeg team, that's a minor complaint. If you're going after anyone from the Jets, it should be Copp. He drives results across virtually every dimension (shot share, chance share, goal share, team rel. numbers, etc) every season of his career and seems to elevate both Tanev and Lowry's play. Even if he's doing it in softer minutes (which I'm not convinced he is), that consistent outproduction from a bottom-6 line just means your top-6 have less of a burden to shoulder.

I like Tanev as a 4th liner and even as a spot-duty 3rd liner but can't see him on the 1st line. Like Caggiula, he's not a true top 6 player that should be relied upon to play on the 1st or 2nd line for a full season.

However, I do get the argument that Toews and Kane may thrive if they have talented sh!t disturbers like Caggiula or Tanev on their line. What about Ferland instead? He has proven he can put up 20/20 numbers.
- AEL_Fox

I like Ferland there as well. Just wonder about his $$ ask.

If Charo wasn’t so concentrated on cross checking Hyman, he could have gotten to Matthews.

But - GI - maybe.

If Charo wasn’t so concentrated on cross checking Hyman, he could have gotten to Matthews.

But - GI - maybe.
- StLBravesFan

Amazing how many cross checks the Bruins get away with

Hawks re-signed Nilsson. 1 year, $700,000.
- DarthKane

Rockford's voted MVP.

Rockford's voted MVP.
- Justin Lowe

Any Show potential?

3.5 x 4 for Tanev seems like a dramatic overpayment.
- MaximumBone

Maybe. Up near the league leader in hits and plays a solid game.

If Antoine Roussell gets 3M a year... anything is possible.

Why not think bigger package Henri Jokiharju Dylan Sikura to Toronto for William Nylander ? Tornoto in our old place cap hell and could use a quality young d-man
and Nylander would look better with Strome and the Cat instead of Perlini.
- 9Blackhawks9

Hard pass... have you been watching Nylander the last 60 games?