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1stCavVet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: OH
Joined: 02.23.2019

Apr 14 @ 2:51 PM ET
Is it safe to say Sullivan has "lost the room?"
- Rinosaur

I think so.....
buckster2342
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.13.2009

Apr 14 @ 2:52 PM ET
Is it safe to say Sullivan has "lost the room?"
- Rinosaur

He should have been canned in December.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Apr 14 @ 2:52 PM ET
Good story, bro.
- Rinosaur

Nice. You chilled and it’s all good. I just thought that goal specifically was weak. That’s it. Not saying Murray is the reason to losing or like he’s having a bad postseason.

I don’t know what to expect from this team anymore. Disfunctional.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Apr 14 @ 2:53 PM ET
Nice. You chilled and it’s all good. I just thought that goal specifically was weak. That’s it. Not saying Murray is the reason to losing or like he’s having a bad postseason.

I don’t know what to expect from this team anymore. Disfunctional.

- Barnaby36


Dude, I know what you were doing, but you harp on such dumb poop.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 14 @ 2:54 PM ET
Is it safe to say Sullivan has "lost the room?"
- Rinosaur

There were just so many terrible decisions made up and down the coaching staff and the front office. I have no idea where to start with this mess. Was Tochet the secret to this staff’s success? It’s like they morphed into totally different hockey minds after he left.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Apr 14 @ 2:54 PM ET
Is it safe to say Sullivan has "lost the room?"
- Rinosaur

I think you have to assume the answer is yes. Continuously outcoached. Someone absolutely nailed it earlier: he is way too slow to react to his opposition. Obviously we’re not done but this collective group ain’t got me believin.



Frigg off, Cersei Lannister!
JLT168
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PGH, PA
Joined: 07.09.2012

Apr 14 @ 2:55 PM ET
Give credit where it's due, trotz turned this poopty Islanders team into a solid team. Doubt they get past Tampa or Washington. Pens couldnt adjust and deserve to be swept.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 14 @ 2:55 PM ET
Give credit where it's due, trotz turned this poopty Islanders team into a solid team. Doubt they get past Tampa or Washington. Pens couldnt adjust and deserve to be swept.
- JLT168

Tampa might not make it out of round 1.
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Apr 14 @ 2:56 PM ET
I think if he brings in a new coach it would save his job, otherwise idk. I think we can all agree that this is a huge disappointment and something has to change
- WSCTeton17


JRs moves have been all downhill since Botterill left. Really makes me think how much Botts had a day in trades. The JR/Botterill era was built for speed. This team hasn’t had an identity in 2 seasons now
PittsPens
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Westernport, MD
Joined: 01.06.2012

Apr 14 @ 2:56 PM ET
Sully is now shades of Dan Bylsma territory. Not capable of adjusting to what the other team is doing.

Rutherford needs the first ticket out of town. His trades have been good. But he has had to make trades to fill holes he created through bad free agent signings.

I believe I just heard the window slam shut.
acdc1206
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Fire Sullivan, PA
Joined: 06.13.2007

Apr 14 @ 2:57 PM ET
JRs moves have been all downhill since Botterill left. Really makes me think how much Botts had a day in trades. The JR/Botterill era was built for speed. This team hasn’t had an identity in 2 seasons now
- drummer829


Why the hell would they change what won them back to back Cups is beyond me. So damn stupid. Starting with the Reaves trade.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Apr 14 @ 2:58 PM ET
There were just so many terrible decisions made up and down the coaching staff and the front office. I have no idea where to start with this mess. Was Tochet the secret to this staff’s success? It’s like they morphed into totally different hockey minds after he left.
- Victoro311

It’s really tough to say but here’s something I can tell you for a fact. I live in Arizona now and I work with some of the Coyotes. They love the guy. He’s extremely positive and does a lot of 1 on 1 time. Sullivan is an army type guy. Often times with those guys you get lots of screaming and people these days just don’t do well with it. Tocchet has been highly criticized during his time here in AZ but it’s extremely evident that he’s been learning and adapting.

I think the lesson there is that we need someone who isn’t going to scream at our guys. Someone smart who builds up his players and isn’t afraid to make adjustments
acdc1206
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Fire Sullivan, PA
Joined: 06.13.2007

Apr 14 @ 2:58 PM ET
Give credit where it's due, trotz turned this poopty Islanders team into a solid team. Doubt they get past Tampa or Washington. Pens couldnt adjust and deserve to be swept.
- JLT168


Yup, NYI deserves a ton of credit. They are playing sound hockey and not making mistakes unlike the team that they are facing.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Apr 14 @ 2:59 PM ET
JRs moves have been all downhill since Botterill left. Really makes me think how much Botts had a day in trades. The JR/Botterill era was built for speed. This team hasn’t had an identity in 2 seasons now
- drummer829

Yeah I definitely wasn’t saying he should be spared, but if he axes HCMS I think he might be
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 14 @ 3:01 PM ET
It’s really tough to say but here’s something I can tell you for a fact. I live in Arizona now and I work with some of the Coyotes. They love the guy. He’s extremely positive and does a lot of 1 on 1 time. Sullivan is an army type guy. Often times with those guys you get lots of screaming and people these days just don’t do well with it. Tocchet has been highly criticized during his time here in AZ but it’s extremely evident that he’s been learning and adapting.

I think the lesson there is that we need someone who isn’t going to scream at our guys. Someone smart who builds up his players and isn’t afraid to make adjustments

- WSCTeton17

Which is what Sullivan did his first year here and into his second year. He wasn't a country club coach like Bylsma and always had a disciplinarian streak in him, but he seemed to really take that one on one time and connect with players. What the hell happened to that?
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Apr 14 @ 3:08 PM ET
Which is what Sullivan did his first year here and into his second year. He wasn't a country club coach like Bylsma and always had a disciplinarian streak in him, but he seemed to really take that one on one time and connect with players. What the hell happened to that?
- Victoro311


It's interesting.... I watched game 5 of Pens/Nash the other day. That team wasn't as good as this one, but they made the right decision the whole game. Not one dumb ass pinch at the wrong moment. They were so disciplined. It's not been the same since. Playing that way takes hard work and patience......basically the two things this team hasn't had all season.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Apr 14 @ 3:08 PM ET
No matter what we should all be able to agree on a few things: a new coach can potentially help a guy like Malkin who previously struggled at 5v5 and has been taking bad penalties, JJ is not good, we never should have traded Cole to appease our coach, Maatta is too slow for the new NHL, some serious thought needs to be put in place from the top down about how we can stay successful with our core for the next 2-3 years first and aim to maintain success thereafter

Does anyone wonder if it was Lemieux who was like “Hey, Rusty.. our 1st in not in play this season so stop pandering it around with other GMs”
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Apr 14 @ 3:10 PM ET
The Pens don't have a good enough roster and most of their talented players (Malkin, kessel and letang) are uncoachable.

Sully hasn't done anything to fix it but this is a pretty mediocre team
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Apr 14 @ 3:29 PM ET
Which is what Sullivan did his first year here and into his second year. He wasn't a country club coach like Bylsma and always had a disciplinarian streak in him, but he seemed to really take that one on one time and connect with players. What the hell happened to that?
- Victoro311

It gets harder to look past someone’s flaws the more you’re around them. I’m sure it’s hard for him too, hard to stay positive after continuously telling guys what they’re doing wrong. I’m sure he’s not an idiot, he’s just not a tactful genius like Trotz
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Apr 14 @ 3:56 PM ET
Dude, I know what you were doing, but you harp on such dumb poop.
- Rinosaur

My opinion about one bad goal only. What’s the problem with it?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 14 @ 3:59 PM ET
There were just so many terrible decisions made up and down the coaching staff and the front office. I have no idea where to start with this mess. Was Tochet the secret to this staff’s success? It’s like they morphed into totally different hockey minds after he left.
- Victoro311


the Penguins are a team without an identity, and it's been that way for the last 2 seasons.
Jordy8
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: windsor, ON
Joined: 06.21.2013

Apr 14 @ 4:00 PM ET
The coach of letterkenny shamrocks needs to kick the can and give sully a stunner
acdc1206
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Fire Sullivan, PA
Joined: 06.13.2007

Apr 14 @ 4:02 PM ET
the Penguins are a team without an identity, and it's been that way for the last 2 seasons.
- j.boyd919


Yep.
Jordy8
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: windsor, ON
Joined: 06.21.2013

Apr 14 @ 4:18 PM ET
May I take this time to mention how poop of a season and ineffective Rust has been lately
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Apr 14 @ 4:31 PM ET
May I take this time to mention how poop of a season and ineffective Rust has been lately
- Jordy8

He’s been trash 🗑
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