It has clearly worked out well for the Oilers and Sabres.
- TommyHawk

Pittsburgh can be thrown into the category too with them tanking and getting rewarded

Fluery, Malkin, Crosby and Staal sure are great rewards for tanking. Yes I understand Crosby was drafted in a lockout year.

You do get rewarded for tanking but now with this lottery, teams get (frank)ed. Don’t get me wrong I love seeing COL drop but the kings needed 2OA badly and get screwed the maximum spots. I would have been ok with 3/4 but 5?? Come on.

This from a team that got cap relief for the Voynov and Richards contracts.
- LAHawk

Did hossa not give you cap relief?

Lol. Sorry about the short responses - not much time to type out cool stuff like Elbows does.

Just having fun with the original response.

I have no data to support this, but sometimes it looks like the bigger, power forward types are inconsistent.
- mohel

No problem on this end. Lol. Are you suggesting a perceptual bias as it regards to bigger players? An interesting development if actually 100% true. Maybe I'm expecting more because of the size. In any event, very interesting, indeed.

Says the fan of a team who drafted Kane and Toews back to back years and now get a top 3 pick.

Hawks got rewarded handsomely with Toews and Kane due to them tanking. So yeah you can be rewarded for tanking.
- KINGS67

Don't worry, Kovalchuk will rebound next year. And didn't they sweep the Hawks this year proving they were better?

Don't worry, Kovalchuk will rebound next year. And didn't they sweep the Hawks this year proving they were better?
- RickJ

I hope not. I’m hoping for another bad year and pick 1-5 next year. Draft is supposed to be better but idk.

Again teams can be rewarded for tanking

Did hossa not give you cap relief?
- KINGS67

No, we traded his hit to Arizona, we would have to be cap compliant including his cap hit on day 1, besides, we were getting penalized for a contract that was legal when he signed, and all of a sudden illegal under the new CBA.

Did hossa not give you cap relief?
- KINGS67

NO, Uncle Gary took care of that...

I hope not. I’m hoping for another bad year and pick 1-5 next year. Draft is supposed to be better but idk.

Again teams can be rewarded for tanking
- KINGS67

Are they going to hire McLellan as coach?

Are they going to hire McLellan as coach?
- LAHawk

They’ve offered a 5 year contract. I’m sure McLellan is playing hard ball with both teams to max out $$$

Did hossa not give you cap relief?
- KINGS67

His LTIR cap hit was pretty much unusable for the Blackhawks because they couldn’t make moves with it in the offseason, and they had to give up Hinestroza to dump his contract who is a decent 3rd line level player.

But I agree with you, all teams get lucky with some cap relief and other things, and the Blackhawks have exploited that to win basically all of their cups with the Hossa-Keith contracts as well as being able to add Vermette with Kane on LTIR.

I don’t really feel like a lottery is necessary, the NFL doesn’t have a lottery and I think it works fine. Honestly, it is all relatively moot because we are talking about sports and there is a ton of luck, especially with prospects. I think the difference between pick 3 and pick 5 is probably not huge.

Says the fan of a team who drafted Kane and Toews back to back years and now get a top 3 pick.

Hawks got rewarded handsomely with Toews and Kane due to them tanking. So yeah you can be rewarded for tanking.
- KINGS67

Unfortunately the Hawks were that bad back then. Just awful.

His LTIR cap hit was pretty much unusable for the Blackhawks because they couldn’t make moves with it in the offseason, and they had to give up Hinestroza to dump his contract who is a decent 3rd line level player.

But I agree with you, all teams get lucky with some cap relief and other things, and the Blackhawks have exploited that to win basically all of their cups with the Hossa-Keith contracts as well as being able to add Vermette with Kane on LTIR.

I don’t really feel like a lottery is necessary, the NFL doesn’t have a lottery and I think it works fine. Honestly, it is all relatively moot because we are talking about sports and there is a ton of luck, especially with prospects. I think the difference between pick 3 and pick 5 is probably not huge.
- LaheysBRandy

No you’re right, the drop isn’t huge at at all. But going from 2 to 5 REALLY hurts.

No problem on this end. Lol. Are you suggesting a perceptual bias as it regards to bigger players? An interesting development if actually 100% true. Maybe I'm expecting more because of the size. In any event, very interesting, indeed.
- gabriel

I remember similar comments about Bickell and Lucid. My guess is that bug fellas aren't inherently lazy than little guys. Everybody has down games. Even Perlini.

Unfortunately the Hawks were that bad back then. Just awful.
- mohel

I understand that. The guy was saying you don’t get rewarded for tanking and I strongly disagreed with him. Pointing out the hawks had massive upgrades due to tanking, being bad, whatever you want to call it.

So if Stan drafts Podkolzin - does that mean Anisimov doesn't get traded so he can be here to help Podkolzin transition to English and N.A.?

I hope not. I’m hoping for another bad year and pick 1-5 next year. Draft is supposed to be better but idk.

Again teams can be rewarded for tanking
- KINGS67

I guess, but this year the Hawks did NOT tank and got rewarded. In fact, the worst three teams did not get rewarded.

I understand that. The guy was saying you don’t get rewarded for tanking and I strongly disagreed with him. Pointing out the hawks had massive upgrades due to tanking, being bad, whatever you want to call it.
- KINGS67

Well, tanking is sucking on purpose. Far different thing than just naturally sucking, imo.

Is that a motivation issue?
- mohel

Don't think so. IMO, he seems to defer to guys like Toews and Kane when playing with either of them even after being in the league for a while.

So if Stan drafts Podkolzin - does that mean Anisimov doesn't get traded so he can be here to help Podkolzin transition to English and N.A.?
- EbonyRaptor

No need, Elbows knows Russian fluently and will volunteer to help.

I guess, but this year the Hawks did NOT tank and got rewarded. In fact, the worst three teams did not get rewarded.
- mohel

I actually don't think the Kings tanked, they were actually that bad this year, and Ottawa didn't have the first pick, so I would guess they were that bad also, instead of purposely tanking.

I guess, but this year the Hawks did NOT tank and got rewarded. In fact, the worst three teams did not get rewarded.
- mohel

NJ got rewarded, got rewarded 2/3 years.

I’m more bitter about NJ not dropping and getting the #1 pick than I am about the hawks.

Believe me, you would be just as bitter if your team had a shot at 2 pick and dropped the max spots while the 3 team wins the lottery. 🙄

Don't think so. IMO, he seems to defer to guys like Toews and Kane when playing with either of them even after being in the league for a while.
- Elbows15

That seems like a reasonable reason for the more consistent performance on a separate line. Someone had to give you that. Who was it?

I actually don't think the Kings tanked, they were actually that bad this year, and Ottawa didn't have the first pick, so I would guess they were that bad also, instead of purposely tanking.
- LAHawk

I don’t think the kings tanked at all. If they wanted to tank they wouldn’t have played Quick or Campbell and started cal petersen for more games. But in reality I don’t think roster moves would have made that possible.

The goal is to trade quick and get Petersen in net ASAP next season

NJ got rewarded, got rewarded 2/3 years.

I’m more bitter about NJ not dropping and getting the #1 pick than I am about the hawks.

Believe me, you would be just as bitter if your team had a shot at 2 pick and dropped the max spots while the 3 team wins the lottery. 🙄
- KINGS67

You are correct, I would be snarly, but a Kings fan would straighten me out.

How much does jumping from 12th to 3rd "move the needle", or to be more precise - how much does the rebuild to Cup contender status get sped up? If the Hawks would have gotten 1st or 2nd and selected a player almost certain to play in the NHL next season - I think it would be fair to say the rebuild to Cup contender would have been sped up significantly. But with the 3rd pick the Hawks will probably select a player not ready to step right into the NHL which would have been the case if they had stayed at the 12th spot too. Don't get me wrong - I'm ecstatic the Hawks moved up to #3 because they'll get a better player than they would have gotten at #12 - but does it really speed the rebuild process up? I'm not sure it does unless they trade the pick for a player who can provide immediate help.